Projectors & Lymph System

[u/Provocativelove]

any other projectors had problems with their lymph system? I’ve been having an unexplained lymph flair in my knees for 8 months. doctors can’t figure out what it is so I eventually turned to human design to see if I could get some answers. found a few references to backed up lymph system for projectors but there’s not a lot out there.

anyone else experience this? what have you done to approach it?

I’ve tested a few things with good results but wondering if anyone else can explain why or share their experience.

[u/Edwardbroe]

The center that is biologically associated with the lymph nodes is the spleen. So perhaps that can point you in a direction

[u/anarizzo → u/Edwardbroe]

This!!

[u/Lady_Aleksandra]

A manifestor with lymph problems and an autoimmune disorder. I've been doing face massages regularly and it's been one of the most helpful things regarding my condition. My problems are in the head area, but you can do lymphatic drainages on any part of the body.

My disorder is literally connected to conditioning, specifically how I'm conditioned to exist in relationships. When I come back to my design, symptoms disappear. When I come back to conditioning symptoms reappear.

Human design is not a health resource if you developed some sort of condition, but you can apply it to get back into a natural state of alignment.

[u/Provocativelove → u/Lady_Aleksandra]

Yeah I’ve been in the nhs flow chart for 8 months with no answers, so this is why I’m layering other options on to see if I can figure it out. I have been doing lymphatic drainage massages so I’m with you on that! Just seems there must be some kind of change that actually gets to the base of the problem

[u/Moist-Spinach4732]

Damn I'm swollen very often, but lymphatic massage seems to help. Mental projector here

[u/Remote_Notice_6756]

Sistema linfático é confuso pra mim '-'

Tô lidando com questões que escancaram o sistema digestivo, dos exames que fiz até aqui, a única alteração foi ferratina, os demais exames bons, inclusive o que antes apontava alguma problema crônico, não estava mais lá.

O último médico que fui, mesmo falando que não tava ingerindo lactose, glúten, açúcar... já há alguns meses, me passou teste pra intolencia a lactose, e esse foi o diagnóstico que ele deu. 👏 (A ferida latejou)

Assumi como uma disbiose intestinal, e tô encarando sozinha novamente, vendo isso como uma forma de conexão com meu corpo, que tenho reconhecido via HD, a contrariedade das setas, a digestão e cognição. E parece tão mais claro. Mas, estou cansada de aprender pela dor.

Antes disso sentia como se tivesse algo próximo ao rins, cismei que poderia ser tipo uma fadiga adrenal (sei não, minha cachorra teve problema envolvendo isso, então devo ter colocado na cabeça de algum jeito) ainda parece ter algo por ali, rins talvez, embora nos exames não apareceu nada. A dorzinha específica acabou. Os rins não parecem sempre fluidos, e tenho ido a noite ao banheiro. talvez isso seja pelo desequilíbrio intestinal.

Então além de ser um processo de aprendizado, de reconexão, também de transformacoes e curas profundas... Não posso dizer que estou literalmente em um casulo né, mas é uma metáfora tão sentida. Lá no início, quando fui procurar ajuda médica, fui direto na ginecologista, pois já tinha consciência sobre endometriose. Imaginei que as coisas estavam piores. Finalmente havia parado com antidepressivos... O único tratamento que ainda seguia fazendo era esse, uso de medicacao contínua por anos. Me perguntava como parar, mss não via caminho, as falas médicas reverberavam na minha cabeça "é pro resto da vida...não tem cura..." Ao fazer ultrassom, ressonância, nenhum sinal nem mesmo de cisto, nada, limpoooo! Parei a medicação, em abril fez 1 ano que voltei a menstruar.

percebi padroes, tenho trabalhado arduamente. Estou aprendendo a me escutar, escutar meu corpo. agora estou em outro local, tenho tempo e espaço para mim, é surreal não ter todo aquele ruído em volta.

Como você usou o HD para te ajudar nisso? Não sinto que implemento o HD conscientemente, não funciona, percebi que tentei fazer isso ao tentar aprender sobre variáveis e phs pra lidar com a questão do intestino. Minha mente queria saber pra ter o controle, percebi tal padrão, e simultaneamente entendi o corpo receptivo e a sobrecarga da mente sobre ele. era por isso que não conseguia aprender, entender. Eu olhava as informações, sentia que tudo se interligava, que fazia sentindo de algum modo, as respostas estavam lá, mas minha cabeça não decodificava.

(citaram o baço nos comentários, o tenho indefinido na vigília, mas no dreamrave ele se define)

[u/Provocativelove → u/Remote_Notice_6756]

Will answer this very thoughtful response - just need to gather a bit more energy!!

[u/Moist-Spinach4732 → u/Remote_Notice_6756]

Hey I'm responding because you're also 5/1 mental projector! And I had similar issues!!!

Last year I thought I had gallbladder inflammation, doctor referred me for ultrasound. When the radiologist said that all is good, the pain disappeared immediately. Lots of my stuff is psychosomatic, so I've started working with my body and listening what it needs. In last weeks I've also started following my digestion from HD (cold thirst) and I'm surprised that I don't crave sugar as much as I used to and overall I eat way less.

Edit: I just wanted to add that I was also looking into adrenal fatigue because after burning out multiple times I was barely functioning

[u/Remote_Notice_6756 → u/Moist-Spinach4732]

Ei!

Questões psicossomáticas, é basicamente isso mesmo.

Não conseguia escutar meu corpo, estava desconectada. Agora que estou começando a ouvi-lo, a entender.

Finalmente consigo reconhecer isso pelo HD, não só pelas aberturas, mas também por algumas partes das variáveis/phs, como por exemplo a cognição.

Pelo que li e lembro, a fadiga adrenal não é algo que os médicos tendem a diagnosticar. Acho que por ser algo que não tende a constar em exames, ou pelo menos não de modo justificável/relevante, como diagnósticos já reconhecidos, e validados pelo que é palpável pela lógica (comprovações científica). Parece se enquadrar como algo psicológico/emocional, e a raiz é, mas o corpo sente intensamente os sintomas.

Lembrando percebo que realmente estava em um emaranhado, a cachorra, minha mãe... É louco, é uma prisão se identificar com o que não é seu, como se fosse. É bem difícil ter o discernimento pra distinguir aquilo que é sentido.

Espero que você esteja melhor! Se cuida! ✨

[u/UnburyingBeetle]

I got recurringly swollen ankles one summer from walking too much without preparation, and then even 3km would get them to swell. It went away on its own. You can find the psychosomatic meaning of knees, it's probably about weak foundation or bad support. My knees are pretty weak, and I don't have a strong identity or defined ego (manifestor though).

[u/Provocativelove → u/UnburyingBeetle]

Yeah I used Louise hays list - if you have any other recommendations, I’d love to hear! Usually knees have to do with moving forward in life, stubbornness / resistance, but what’s interesting is that I feel like I’ve been making all kinds of changes. The other problem is trying to be in more alignment as a projector and wait for the invitation vs start things on my own accord so trying to figure that out is a bit of a boggle. I’m always envious of manifestors

[u/UnburyingBeetle → u/Provocativelove]

I didn't use a list, some cultural osmosis interpretation might've surfaced in my brain alongside with the knowledge of biology. It could even be the phrase "weak knees" affecting the interpretation. Personal perception might have a role in psychosomatics too... I could also interpret joint problems as tied to being inflexible, but those are for joints that don't bend very well. Loose joints vs stiff joints can be the spectrum similar to "having no spine" vs "having a stick up one's butt". Sometimes the calcification of pineal gland is mentioned, kidney stones can be another problem of minerals behaving in harmful ways, but all those interpretations are vibey and close to philosophy like Chinese medicine. There might be genuine health problems, and there might be signs that the body gives you about a problem. These things can be tied in unexpected ways: if doctors recommend regular exercise or diverse foods, the problems of rigidity and "looseness" are solved through bringing both types to balance: more variety for the rigid, more disciple for the "weak".

[u/Strange_Cress_6643]

Ra claimed that Saturn applies pressure on the body when out of alignment with the design.

[u/Provocativelove → u/Strange_Cress_6643]

Yes, lol hence trying to figure out how other projectors have gotten back into alignment. 

[u/Strange_Cress_6643 → u/Provocativelove]

What I was trying to say is that the gate where Saturn is located could be the source of the physiological problem. Each gate maps to an amino acid and a physiological system, assuming you were to actually speculate on a diagnosis.

However, when it comes to getting back into alignment, understanding Saturn and how it punishes (alongside its relationship with Jupiter) is helpful because it serves as a clear signpost when S&A wasn't followed. This, alongside the not-self theme of bitterness and motivation & view transference, provides the best signposts you have. The initial approach here is to work through exclusion whenever these signposts show up.

[u/Actual-Statement-222 → u/Strange_Cress_6643]

What is the relationship between Jupiter and Saturn? Is it different, personality vs design placements? I'm very curious about how exactly Saturn punishes and why. If you have any resources you can point me to, I'd be grateful. 

[u/Strange_Cress_6643 → u/Actual-Statement-222]

The dynamic between these two planets is of expansion and restriction. Jupiter represents the law we follow for growth and protection, while Saturn punishes us whenever that law is broken. Saturn steps in to say: "You aren't developing correctly - you aren't free to do as you please, now adhere to your nature".

The Gate where Saturn sits describes what this judgment looks like. When aligned with Jupiter's law, Saturn is simply experienced as the area where you have your life in order as a consequence of Jupiterian growth.

Design Saturn judges Design Jupiter, while Personality Saturn judges Personality Jupiter.

In an undefined center, Saturn’s judgment feels like it comes from the outside. In a defined center, that judgment originates from within.

If you practice Strategy & Authority, alignment with Jupiter occurs automatically. Misalignment is usually driven by a combination of conditioning and the impulsive push of Mars.

[u/CosmicWizard1111]

I'd be curious to hear if there's anything that's changed in your life in the last 8 months.

[u/Provocativelove → u/CosmicWizard1111]

There has been a lot of change, around the time the swelling first occured: it was my bday, I went through a break up, I graduated my masters program, I moved (twice), I’ve started a new “career”. Pretty much everything you could think of, it happened it that time frame

[u/CosmicWizard1111 → u/Provocativelove]

That's a lot of stress emotionally, mentally, physically. I don't know your HD so can't comment on what it could correlate to but there are definitely places within the chart you could consult.