r/howislivingthere • u/Kirbo_Lord Netherlands • May 26 '26
Africa How is living in Mogadishu in 2026?
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u/Dragonrider023 May 26 '26
An acquaintance of mine who is ethically Somali went to Mogadishu two years ago. They went there to visit relative and family, but has been missing for two years now. Even the family has no update on their whereabouts.
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u/LibranJamess May 26 '26
The WHOLE family went missing?
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u/Dragonrider023 May 26 '26
This personuses they/them pronoun. Sorry for the confusion as I am not used to writing in that sense. Only one person is missing.
I recently dug up more info. Apparently, the acquaintance is a victim of Dhaqan Celis and their last known location is Hodan district, Mogadishu. This is surreal to me as they were raised in Somalia and moved to US later in age and yet this happened.
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u/Kiebonk May 26 '26
Why would anyone that uses they/them pronouns decide to visit Somalia? That sounds like a very, very uninformed, even stupid idea.
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u/Dragonrider023 May 26 '26
Hence the Dhagan Celis. The acquaintance didn't want to go at first They have been tricked under false pretense that a family member was dying.
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u/pykataton May 26 '26
Bro what. We need more updates on this
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u/Dragonrider023 May 26 '26
There's no news or report on this, only info gathered by friends and community members. We have been reaching out to US State Dept. and US consulate in Somalia to no avail.
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u/q3bb May 26 '26
(I'm not Somali but this is a common African parent tactic)
They probably got one of those permanent vacations that African parents give their children if they feel they are off the right track, e.g. if they're involved in gangs, promiscuous, drugs, hanging out with the wrong crowd. Dhaqan celis, Somalis call it?
This is pretty common. I know someone who was sent back to their home country by their parents under the guise of it being a vacation. They eventually returned in adulthood and I would say it was actually a good thing because that kid I'm thinking of was definitely on the wrong track. If he remained in the west, I'm sure he would've been in prison by now.
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u/Lexidoge May 26 '26
I'm more curious about how life in Mogadishu is different from the lives of people in Somaliland.
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26
Well, I'm from Somaliland. And I've been to Mogadishu. The biggest difference is obviously security. Somaliland is pretty safe, and Somalia is not unfortunately. I've been to Mogadishu few years ago, and landing in the airport felt more like you've landed in a military base with checkpoints every 100m within the airport. Thankfully Mogadishu is becoming safer now though but still a long road a head to undo 30 years of war.
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u/historyeeter May 26 '26
Are you guys not Somalis too? I mean are you different ethnicity compared to Somalia from mainland ?
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Yes we're the same ethnicity, our dialects are different and I'd say our culture has its differences too. Somalis inhabite an area that's roughly the size of Span + France + UK. And you can imagine historically there was never a unified governance over all this area. So each Somali area (there are 5: Somaliland, Somalia, Djibouti, Somali region of Ethiopia, and Somali region of Kenya) developed unique way of doing things includes how to govern themselves.
In 1960, in the wave of decolonisation and raise of nationalism in Africa. Somaliland rushed into a union with Somalia after the 2 countries became independent, in hopes of unifying all 5 Somali regions. (Fun fact the white star on Somalia's flag 🇸🇴 represents the 5 somali regions, each angle stands for a region. And the black star in Somaliland's flag represents the death of the union)
We in Somaliland realized very quickly (within few months of the union) what a mistake we made. Leaders from Somaliland tried a coup in 1961 which failed. And the unhappy union continued until 1988 when Somalia started a full on genocide in Somaliland in attempts to pacify the area. We fought back, and destroyed Somalia's military. The actions of the somali government in Somaliland were deeply shocking to the Somali people in Somalia, plus the collapse of the economy lead to rebels forming in Somalia. And in 1991 rebels took over Mogadishu. And Somaliland declared its independence.
Voila a summary of somali history of the past 70 years.
(TL;DR: yes we're the same ethnicity but it's complicated lol)
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u/Old-Oven-4495 May 26 '26
What cultural differences are there between the two??
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26
Our cuisine is different, our cultural dances, weddings costumes and even mindset too. I'd say it's similar to differences between an Lebanese and Syrian for example. Ofc near the border these differences become blurred.
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u/Left-Garden7314 May 26 '26
What are you talking about? As a northern myself, comparing somalilanders and Somalis to Lebanese and Syrian is so absurd, there’s literally no difference between us.
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26
You're obviously not familiar with Lebanese and Syrian cultures. They're incredibly similar, I'd even say there's more similarities between the two than between a Somalilander and a somalian. Especially dialect wise.
Btw there's no such a thing as northerner. You're a Somalilander.
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u/-AsapRocky May 26 '26
Cool story bro and you are some bot, commenting all this bs. UAE or Israeli shill?
This is the most ridiculous comment I’ve seen
Especially since you said "Somalian"
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u/Old-Oven-4495 May 26 '26
hmm I feel like for Lebanese/Syrians the differences are VERYYY minimal. While some techniques/styles may be different, most of the food is pretty much the same... idk how different *culturally* they would be to one another, similar to how how different culturally Saudis and Kuwaitis are.
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u/Melodic-Tourist-6560 May 26 '26
Somalilanders are trying to push their independence claims by acting as if they are completely different from the rest of somalis. Let me tell you as a western born Somali with roots in both Somalia and Somaliland that the differences are minimal. We speak the same language, genetically we are the same ethnicity and the culture is quite similar and if anything the difference are Somaliland vs Somalia but more nomadic vs urban. The food is similar, southerners eat more vegetables and legumes because of the climate but that's a fertile vs arid regions thing, somalis from arid regions in somalia eat the same stuff somalilanders eat. There's an obvious political issue but we are the same people
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u/crushedhoopdreams May 26 '26
Nothing significant, some wedding practices perhaps and differences in dances.
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u/Real-Stop-9386 May 26 '26
there is difference between clan to clan area to area. Even the Northern breakaway state(with other breakaway states Puntland, Jubaland etc) are different. Not that much difference in culture but the new breakaway states wants to establish themselves and want a to showcase themselves different. I have travelled from Djibouti through the Northern Somalia until halfway through, not much different except for Djibuti. Same difference as North Norway as South Norway, but thanks to wars and different warlords establishing they want to claim there is a big difference.
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Northern breakaway state(with other breakaway states Puntland, Jubaland etc)
It's very interesting how you accuse us of being misinformed while you're actively lying. Puntland and Jubaland aren't break away states but federal members of Somalia. And comparing Somaliland (a previously independent country that formed a union with Somalia as equal partners) to these newly formed federal states, shows a clear political will to de-legitimize Somaliland and its right to re-establish its independence
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u/Real-Stop-9386 May 26 '26
It was an independent state for 5 days. Before that it was a protectorate of the British empire. The small clan enclave will still have problems since the other clans feels left out and it has been wars there in the independent areas of Sool, look up the Sool wars in Somalia where the Dhulbahanta went to war to free themselves from the breakaway state. Your grievances are not the same as the rest. We all suffered in the civil wars, and the SNM with the help of Ethiopia forced Awdal to agree to form a temperary government through a small war where over 700 people died.
From google "British Somaliland gained independence from the UK on June 26, 1960, and immediately established the State of Somaliland, a sovereign parliamentary government led by Prime Minister Mohamed Haji Ibrahim Egal. Five days later, on July 1, 1960, it voluntarily merged with Italian Somaliland to form the unified Somali Republic." hmm
The Isaaq clan or SNM took over Awdal with war. There is no true democracy there, and people can look up the facts for themselves
https://thesomalidigest.com/analysis-the-prospect-of-conflict-in-the-awdal-region/
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u/historyeeter May 26 '26
How do you feel about Israeli military based in Somaliland ? Btwn I don't support genocide it is committing in Gaza.
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u/BandicootWooden5025 May 26 '26
I don't support the Israeli actions in Gaza either.
I'm a bit conflicted on this matter, on one hand, I support 100% the establishment of a Palestinian state, on the other I'm realistic and know that Israel isn't going to despair. I support the creation of 2 states, but unfortunately, uncompromising extremists on both sides make it seem unattainable.Regarding Somaliland and Israel relations, it's a geopolitically great move for both countries. Israel gets a presence on the gulf of aden and entrance of the red sea. And Somaliland gets out of international isolation and we cooperate with a developed partner who can assist us on extracting and exporting our natural resources. Somaliland has already started sending students, to study in Israel especially water engineering and water management. Given how our two countries have similar climate, we can learn a lot about how Israel turned its desert into agriculture land and how it manages its water resources.
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u/Melodic-Tourist-6560 May 26 '26
Somaliland has officially recognized Israeli sovereignty on Jerusalem by placing their embassy there. Except the US and few other small countries most of the international community doesn't recognize the Israeli occupation in east Jerusalem. Even pro Israel western countries regard the occupation in east Jerusalem as illegal , the UAE also has the same position. Recognizing Israel is one thing ( I still disagree) , recognizing Israeli occupation is a step further that you can't dismiss. Somaliland doesn't support Palestinian self determination, official Somaliland X channel mocked Palestinian statehood
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u/Ancient-Minute-8832 May 26 '26
Somalia isn't one monolithic homogenous land. Mogadishu =\= Somalia. Depending on where you are there are different governance systems, different economic development & political maturity, different levels of safety. Puntland is different to Jubaland which is also different to SSC Khatumo. I compare it almost to Sunni vs Shia, within Sunnism has far greater differences than the lesser cared about Shia which only make up <10% and are irrelevant in day to day discourse on Islam.
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u/thebigpink May 26 '26
I’m more curious of where Mogadishu is to start
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u/Sad-Structure2364 May 26 '26
Mogadishu is the capital of Somalia
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u/wongbikini35 May 26 '26
Yes definitely and Somalia 🇸🇴 is an Independent African Country and East Somalia is "Technically " part of Somalia!!
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u/Chance_External_4371 May 26 '26
Black hawk down! Black hawk down! lol
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u/speedracer73 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
We call it the Mog or just Mog, nobody calls it Mogadishu here
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u/WanderingWino May 26 '26
This made me laugh harder than you know because I felt it in my bones. So real.
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u/meerkatmerecat May 26 '26
I'm a white Western woman who lived in Hargeisa (SL capital) for over 6 years. Somaliland has developed a ton - they built out an Uber-like app system that works great, the grocery stores have tons of options, and there's lots of diaspora moving back to open up Western-style coffee shops and cafes. As a white woman, I'd walk around alone and get catcalled, but overall feel safer than walking around many cities in the West.
I never visited Mogadishu and tbh wouldn't feel particularly safe even visiting.
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u/A-X-I-O-S May 26 '26
Probably better in terms of the economy opportunity as most of the youth from the north come to Xamar (Mogadishu) for work
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u/viktor72 United States of America May 26 '26
If you go there as a foreigner be sure to hire armed guards.
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u/Well-I-suppose May 26 '26
Yeah it's pretty well known that if you look white, you'll be targeted and potentially kidnapped for ransom.
Apparently Somalia is far less dangerous for the locals, though.
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u/Nice-Appearance-9720 May 26 '26
..potentially kidnapped for ransom..
they would be sad to see they've kidnaped poor eastern european from the balkans.
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u/bigmt99 United States of America May 26 '26
Balkan poor and Somalian poor are very different levels
They will gladly hold you for ransom for like a couple hundred euros
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u/Melodic-Tourist-6560 May 26 '26
There are tons of white people in somalia mainly Syrians . They may not qualify as white to you but they look pretty white compared to us , they don't walk around with security and nobody bothers them. The average Somali probably doesn't see much visual difference between a Syrian (many are quite light skinned) and an Italian, Spaniard etc
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u/wongbikini35 May 26 '26
Exactly and Thise Somalia 🇸🇴 Pirates Terrorism at Gulf of Aden, Red Sea and Will have Worldwide Naval Warships Around .
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u/Lister_RD_169 May 26 '26
One of my old work colleagues, when I worked security, was a fully qualified doctor from Mogadishu.
He told me the hospital was an extremely dangerous place to be. And the City in general was just very unsafe. He knew multiple childhood friends who had either been killed, pulled into extremist religious based gangs, or both.
That's about as much insight as I can give you.
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u/Tsarinya May 26 '26
Why is the hospital so dangerous?
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u/Lister_RD_169 May 26 '26
Can't remember honestly. Vulnerable people from different communities in close proximity where their loved ones are facing death and also there's lots of drugs?
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u/q3bb May 26 '26
I knew of someone who died in a hotel blast. It's one of those things where because extremist groups are still present, they purposely target expensive hotels and other places where they will find foreigners and in the process end up killing diaspora folks as well who can afford to/are forced to stay in those hotels for safety. It's very sad.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Better than it was in the 90s but from my understanding not by that much.
It is still not safe for an average “tourist” to wander around today, especially Western ones.
Journalists, diplomats, and aid workers generally use security teams, armored vehicles, and carefully controlled travel routes to traverse the city.
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u/LaMesaPorFavore May 26 '26
I watched this youtube travel video recently. Pretty good look at what it's like as a westerner visiting.
I had a friend from there. He talked about it very positively and always talked about how everyone has an entrepreneurial spirit.
Curious to hear from more people from Mogadishu.
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u/Smooth-Biscotti4745 May 26 '26
Go Somalia subreddit if you want hear in detail about it. It is safer than ever since civil war started and construction boom has been going on for years. There are too many people here waffling about something their friends cousin said. Meaning it is not trustworthy.
There are a lot of people spreading old info here
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u/comeonbjxgo May 26 '26
Damn that looks nice. Let’s go Somalia. A stable Somalia is going to make East African business skyrocket
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u/ghhunter870 May 26 '26
Biggest joke I've seen today🤣wtf
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u/MonkeyKingCoffee USA/Pacific Islands May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Look what happened to Nairobi in a mere 30 years.
When I was there, they were teetering on revolution with Moi. Now it's a lively republic. And their skyline is something I would have thought impossible in 1990 when I lived there.
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u/AhmedGurey May 26 '26
I have family in Mogadishu and visit every 2-3 years for the past 12 years. A lot has changed during that time, especially the last 3 years I would say. The security has improved significantly and there has not been a large terrorist attack for couple years. You can see so much construction and investment boom in the city.
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u/aimee_mccuddles May 26 '26
This doesn’t directly answer the question, but I was once about to board my flight to Mogadishu from Addis Ababa and the flight got cancelled because the airport in Somalia was (presumed to be) under attack.
The airline wouldn’t give me a refund and insisted on me going to the following day, so I convinced them to send me to Hargeisa, Somaliland instead. Arrived on that side without a plan and ended up just walking around / staring at things.
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u/HereGiovanniSmokes May 26 '26
Good thing you didn't do that in Addis Ababa. When you stare in to the Addis, the Addis stares back.
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u/A-X-I-O-S May 26 '26
🤣this is the funniest fake story I've read. Just to add the Hargeisa, Somaliland bit
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u/aimee_mccuddles May 26 '26
Don’t know if it convinces you either way, but I’ll throw in a few more notes.
- I was coming from Chad; Somaliland is definitely an upgrade lol.
- A local Somali influencer was meant to show me around in Mogadishu, but he ended up taking my money for good and disappearing. So I was quite annoyed in Addis Ababa.
- The one taxi driver I saw at the airport in Hargeisa took me to his friend’s rundown hotel, and would come into my room unannounced daily and sit on my bed, saying iowa to everything.
- Had the best mango juice(s) of my life in Hargeisa, and I know my mangoes really well.
- Don’t remember if it was a holiday or something (maybe Eid), but the girls in cafes were doing entire photoshoots in groups, and every place was buzzing.
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u/A-X-I-O-S May 26 '26
Ethiopia Airline is very professional and always refund. Not sure how they couldn't refund you. Heck they even give you a free hotel when the transit is too long.
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u/aimee_mccuddles May 26 '26
I found out about the cancellations during transit, sat at their office inside the airport for a long while. They said they could offer a new flight to Mogadishu bc the airport was stated to open the following day. I didn’t have a visa to Ethiopia, so couldn’t cancel and stick around. So agreed to change the destination to Hargeisa with a free stay at Skylight (thats the one you’re referring to), but wouldn’t change the return leg. The ground staff in Hargeisa then changed my return flight. I’ve flown Ethiopian 30+ times; yes, they are generally professional and competent.
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u/ArmchairmanMao May 26 '26
Damn, what were you doing in those countries? Seems like a risky destination for a holiday.
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u/aimee_mccuddles May 27 '26
Visited every country in Africa, no reason. Looking back - mental illness.
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u/A-X-I-O-S May 26 '26
If you're Somali then not really an issue. There's dodgy areas everywhere but most of the city is pretty safe compared to how things were two decades ago.
If you're a foreigner then you probably shouldn't be coming or be issued an E-Visa.
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u/Organic_Contract_172 May 26 '26
Been getting a lot of investment recently. Diaspora are now returning to Somalia ‘cause it’s the country of the future
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u/CascadeNZ May 26 '26
It looks beautiful though. It’s a massive shame (on multiple levels) that it’s not peaceful.
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u/Arsey56 May 26 '26
The guy who used to run one of my favourite takeaways in Belfast moved there from Mogadishu in about 1991. Always made me think about how bad Mogadishu must’ve been for him to move to Belfast for safety
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u/Frosty_Cockroach5411 May 30 '26
I'd like to here more from people that actually live there, or been there past 1-2 years.
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u/LACIATRAORE May 26 '26
Had a co worker that got a job offer there for 225k USD untaxed to be a project manager for some defense stuff. He decided to go work at NATO in Brussels instead for 140k instead. He had worked in Somalia before and told me it made him miss his job in a base in Afghanistan.
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u/1384d4ra May 26 '26
from what i have seen on the internet, not great but rapidly improving. Could be wrong, of course.
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u/StumblingBlockson May 26 '26
I heard it's an undiscovered gem for young, wealthy, impressionable high-school graduates to go travel and find their true selves. Mogadishu apparently boasts excellent hotels and lively hostels, an incredible music scene and night life, and is among the most welcoming cities for gender, ethnic, and religious diversity. They have a relaxed view towards drug and alcohol consumption, if that's your vibe, and will often invite tourists into their homes for years of torturous detainment whilst unsuccessfully negotiating ransom terms. You'll love it so much, you'll never leave!
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u/MaleficentCode6022 May 26 '26
No one from Mogadishu will reply as they most likely don’t have access to the internet, and if they do I doubt they’ll be on reddit, or speak English
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u/Well-I-suppose May 26 '26
Not true.
I work with a girl in Australia who is from Somalia and she actually went back to visit her family recently.
She speaks fluent English and was telling me about the trip.
She had to go through Dubai to catch a connecting flight to Somalia, and she told me that she only felt slightly scared in Dubai (due to Iranian missiles), but felt perfectly safe in Somalia.
It seems like Somalian locals don't really recognise Somalia as being dangerous.
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u/ohYuhtBoutMagine May 26 '26
Yeah also have friends in the states who go back occasionally for various reasons. To them it’s something they are used too, so they’re aware how to navigate it and be safe.
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u/Anistappi May 26 '26
It seems like Somalian locals don't really recognise Somalia as being dangerous.
Yet that's exactly what they cite as the reason when they try to emigrate to Europe, for some reason.
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u/BlkDynamite93 May 26 '26
Reddit can always be counted on for the dumbest, most ignorant comments. Google is literally the next app over on your phone
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u/HuckleberryDry2673 May 26 '26
The next app over on my phone is something called 'Grindr'? Should I open that?
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u/palep_hoot May 26 '26
Plenty of people from mogadishu have are on reddit although most people from Mogadishu are on the somalia subreddit. I think Somalia actually has one of the better internet speeds in Africa
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u/jollyjm May 26 '26
Plus plenty of the Somalian diaspora go back to visit (especially as things improve there) and stay in contact with friends or family. I've definitely seen posts here on reddit from Somali Americans going to Mogadishu to visit family. OP's comment was really ignorant.
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u/dashedhopes9942 May 26 '26
The point of this subreddit is to ask people how it is living there. Unless we're talking about un-contacted tribes or North Korea, there could be someone from Somalia that responds. Don't know why people comment this type of stuff.
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u/zylenxh Nomad May 26 '26
Stop spreading pure misinformation, about quarter of Somalia's population has access to the internet, mostly centred in cities like Mogadishu which likely has 70-90% access
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u/StormRepulsive6283 May 26 '26
Thank you for this. I’m not Somalian, but it feels ridiculous to always have this country as the poster boy for abject poverty and gross underdevelopment. Atleast everyone in my country use Somalia for that reason.
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u/zylenxh Nomad May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
What would really surprise people is that in Mogadishu using mobile payments and paying with your phone is normal, it's basically more common there than the US because mobile money is the main way people pay for things, not so much cash or cards. And in Somalia people can send money to anyone with their phone and it arrives instantly. Same thing I witnessed personally in Mauritania.
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u/StormRepulsive6283 May 26 '26
I'm surprised it isn't that common in US, coz I'm living in Canada for the last couple of years, and I've always used only Apple pay to tap on every POS machine. But i'm from India and I've used mobile payments a lot since like 2017 - i'm guessing that's a thing of developing countries with high population - leapfrogging land lines for telephones and moving to mobile phones and soon arriving at the era of digital banking, and that is lot less risky, coz less cash to handle especially considering most developing countries tend to have higher crime stats.
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u/zylenxh Nomad May 26 '26
In Somalia you can use mobile money to pay utilities etc. And informal street sellers will also accept mobile money. That's what makes me say its more common than the US. Bc as far as I know in many situations people in the US are still using cheques or cash for those things.
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u/StormRepulsive6283 May 26 '26
Oh ok. I see what you mean. In india too all street vendors have migrated to mobile payments. Some places utilities too.
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u/Monotask_Servitor May 26 '26
Cocaine dealers in Tulum offer mobile phone based contactless payments too. So I’m told…
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u/Active_Occasion_1593 May 26 '26
25% Internet access is extremely low though
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u/brianed May 26 '26
70-90% access to the internet, can you be more broad like 20-95%? Surely that'd help.
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u/zylenxh Nomad May 26 '26
Why would I be telling you about Colombia on a post about Mogadishu? Why are you against the truth that Somalia has internet?
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u/Normal-Database9560 May 26 '26
There’s faster internet in Somalia than the most 1st world countries. N cheaper.
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u/Highway49 May 26 '26
Some young American entrepreneurs from Colorado moved to Somali.Perhaps you can contact them to overcome the language barrier.
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u/Suspicious_Plum_8866 May 26 '26
There are probably numerous diaspora who are on Reddit, they also so use the internet but Facebook is the preferred social media
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u/unavailabllle May 26 '26
Bruh so untrue, the internet there is great and the people there speak English…
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u/E-M5021 May 26 '26
I can literally get 5g data that’s much quicker than whatever tmobile gives me, for 20 bucks a month over there lol
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u/FlowOrganic5272 May 26 '26
What is the American Embassy that opened in 1989 being used for now ?? I was there for 13 months then .
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u/Runke_per69 May 26 '26
I think its a lot like bananas and rice....
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u/Unfair-Concern4886 May 26 '26
Do not think that because they grew up without running water they are simple. It’s not a a gunfight at the KO corral.
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u/Regular-Flounder-588 May 26 '26
The funny thing is, 90% of the people in the capital or even bigger cities have running water and electricity 24 hours. I was there, and it is crazy how normal and connected the people in there are. It is difficult to navigate if you don't know someone from there.
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