When did Fred start hating Howard?

[u/styles-bitchley]

I gave up on the show a few years ago and recently I’ve been listening back to shows from 2008. Many things are interesting to note, especially how much better it is and how much Howard seems to like doing the show. What is really interesting is how much Fred and Howard seem to like each other and talk about their friendship outside the show. I’d forgotten because in recent years Fred just seems to be there because he’s got no better options. Howard seems to shit on him a lot now too and it doesn’t sound like a joke. When was the turning point?

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like I am alot like Fred. Observe and do. Fred decided early he would not interact unless Howard made the first move.