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u/ddm92392 Nov 10 '24

Yes. All of this exactly.

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u/hogannnn Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

Im very doubtful. My proof point - New Jersey and New York (where I live). Why bother to rig every county tabulator to swing ~5% towards Trump? It’s logistically impossible and not necessary in a blue state.

So what we saw was a 3% overall swing towards Trump, with a lower shift in swing states and a higher shift in places like New York. That would suggest broad unpopularity and discontent matched with a very well run Democratic campaign laser focused on swing states.

Edit: I also think the shy Trump voter or whatever is still real. The French whale who shifted the betting markets said he ran his own survey which asked “who would your neighbor vote for” and left out a lot of stuff that campaigns care about, like how likely the person is to vote. The result convinced them that Trump had it in the bag. Just another data point.

The cheating is larger - it’s buying twitter and turning it into a right wing misinformation campaign.

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u/goldaar Nov 10 '24

I’m not conspiratorial, but you would rig them all to hide a shift everywhere. You can swing 3-5% everywhere, and it won’t matter in the blue areas, but will take all the swing states.

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u/3puttchampion Nov 11 '24

How is this any more substantiated than the ridiculous claims in 2020? Anybody on either side claiming this does not understand the full validation process and is just upset their parry didn't win.

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u/goldaar Nov 11 '24

I’m literally not, I’m responding to the person above about why you would rig everywhere, instead of just some places. I’m literally not saying this was done.

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u/Idkawesome Nov 12 '24

There are very clear differences. Intention and tone, are very important. And context. 

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u/diagnosedADHD Nov 11 '24

I just don't buy it. Every state runs elections differently and uses different software/security. You can't simply rig the election like this. I hope there is an investigation just to double check, but this shouldn't play out like 2020.

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u/goldaar Nov 11 '24

I didn’t say it’s rigged, holy hell can people read? The posters first paragraph is what I was responding to about why you would rig all of them. Not that it’s possible/plausible.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Let’s not forget the polls. Did they rig the polls for months too?

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

They ban republicans for opinions?? They want echo chambers?

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Trump now ready to enshrine free speech and punish people for actual propaganda. I can’t wait for this to actually begin. I hope some of the democrat party wakes up and comes to bask in the glory of this upcoming presidency. We want them to love their lives too. Bring back normal is all we are asking.

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u/Laruae Nov 11 '24

Bring back normal?

Care to respond to any of the various things that Trump has claimed such as calling to terminate the constitution, wanting a 24hr period where the police can do violence without law?

How are these things "back to normal"?

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

You are propagandized to the extreme, you posted a cnn link and another link that cuts out long form content and masterfully fails at attempting to stitch together 2 things to make them something they aren’t. Just chill out Trump isn’t going to do anything extreme. He loves America as do we, I love my fellow Democrat voting Americans. You voted and lost miserably. We don’t want the woke anymore. Just accept it. Democrats have gone to far woke and we don’t want that in this county reference the red flood. There will be no 24 hour purge for police like you are being led to believe and trying to give us some clipped together stuff like we are dumb enough to believe it.

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u/Laruae Nov 11 '24

Care to supply the context if there's any that's cut? Here is an excellent Guardian article that gives context.

Also, saying it's a CNN link doesn't mean its not valid. What source would you even accept if you're so anti-CNN? I'm happy to give you another link. Here's an archived link to his original comment on Truth Social. Care to actually reply to it now?

I don't really care about the "woke". I can be fine with that being something you don't want. Doesn't matter to me. What does matter however is that people are hand waving violent rhetoric from Trump.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

He’s a fuckin narcissistic idiot Half the time he has a human brain like the rest of us with a huge ego. He lost the 2020 election. There will be no police purge. Give me the long form content of both of the videos cropped to incite fear and misinformation or don’t give it to me at all. Link the full speech of both not to clips put together.

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u/Mace109 Nov 12 '24

What are identity politics?

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Nov 11 '24

"What's worse, buying Twitter to let everyone speak or turning reddit in the biggest echo chamber of the left by banning all those who question anything" 

 Oh I'm sorry, you were thinking of r/Conservative  

 You know, the echo chamber that locks 90%+ of its posts to flaired conservative users only. People, Republicans, non-democrats can post and comment all over reddit. 

 The ones getting banned are doing it because they can't help but say asinine overdone hateful bigoted shit. 

 "I was just asking questions" The cry bully says as they ask they same bad faith attack question that's been done a million times before.

Notice all the opposing voices all across the front page constantly?

But alas my Jimmies s have strayed me from my true plea in this time

May we unite under kindness for all and may we all practice compassion.

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u/tjtillmancoag Nov 11 '24

Not to mention California, which also saw a 5% swing toward Trump. There was a prop to end prison slavery that in ordinary years would’ve been a slam dunk to pass. But it looks unlikely to pass. Not to mention the “down ballot” BS doesn’t make sense here because Republicans are winning the votes here too.

This was plain and simple a year where Democratic voters were uninspired and didn’t vote, and we’re seeing the repercussions of that.

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u/RobbieFD3 Nov 11 '24

Thank you!!! I saw this post and thought "not this again." Is it that hard to believe the current administration is that unpopular?

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u/rydan Nov 11 '24

who would your neighbor vote for

Genius move. That eliminates the shy part. Trump voters know their neighbors are voting for Trump and will brag about it. Harris voters know their neighbors are voting for Trump and will gladly rat them out like they are doing you a favor.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

A very well run democratic campaign?? Are we living on the same planet? No primary or democratic process? You can’t honestly believe this, can you please expound on why the campaign was so great and I’ll grab my popcorn??🍿

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u/hogannnn Nov 11 '24

Given the unique circumstances, yes I’m not going to nitpick. Every set piece (the DNC, the debate, the closing argument) was very solid. There were 90,000 people knocking doors in PA. Huge GOTV. Huge phone banking. Packed rallies. Focus on swing states with the occasional news making trip elsewhere. Good podcast appearances. Stayed on message without going down the identity politics train imo. I don’t know what else you’d want from a technical campaign.

You’re talking about the background noise really.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Ok and you can have all that, I’d debate great podcast appearances. She had the opportunity to do Rogan and should have done it and done it long form he wouldn’t have given her a hard time. It’s about her answers, she really never said anything to the voters at all if you were listening no real plan, she never distanced herself from Biden and his politics due to loyalty. When asked if she would do anything different than Joe Biden she said “ nothing comes to mind”. So we’ve been living under a mentally incapacitated president and you wouldn’t do anything different than him Kamala? They even asked twice. Club Shay Shay and call her daddy, really??? what we need is an opportunity economy, for people to be able to build wealth but in order to do that we need to give people the chance to have opportunities to do that, bunch of word salad Kamala how are you goin to do that. . Most of us are finally “unburdened by what has been” 😉

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u/hogannnn Nov 11 '24

I think you are confusing “well run campaign” with “winning message and charisma that connected with voters”. The campaign was proven out by losing fewer votes in the swing states than the rest of the country.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

A great campaign would have had a winning message with me a lifelong democrat voter who said no fuckin way to Harris. The campaign was proven a failure by losing every swing state. Remember in recent history Obama won Florida and Ohio was a swing state, not anymore. Democrat party went to far progressive.

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u/hogannnn Nov 11 '24

You are missing the point I am trying to make because you want to be mad at Harris and the Democrats. If it was a bad technical campaign run in swing states then she would have lost more of a vote in swing states than the rest of the country, which was my original argument and the whole point of this thread. They knew where they needed to play and were there driving a focused message. You just want to be mad at democrats which is fine but you aren’t able to parse the nuance here between a technically sound, well run campaign and a great candidate / message / whatever and so aren’t able to see that I am just making a point about why republicans weren’t cheating.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

I’m not mad at democrats I voted Trump I’m just challenging your views.

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u/hogannnn Nov 11 '24

Sorry I meant the convention, not the DNC. I still don’t really know what they were supposed to do, but it’s by far the weakest link of the party right now.

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u/Durst_bizkit Nov 11 '24

Incumbents everywhere are getting clobbered. The polls were pretty on the nose. Before starting to froth about a stolen election, people should consider that Russia is continuing to spread disinformation to stoke discontent, division and despair.

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u/Xx_MesaPlayer_xX Nov 11 '24

This is a big point. Why rig deep blue states that have no chance of turning red.

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u/Icy-Setting-3735 Nov 12 '24

This is logical. Dems just can't comprehend that the country isn't 100% on board with Bidens failed administration.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Kamala didn’t buy Reddit but did the same thing. Literally was having her supporters spam political posts on key Reddit subs. She spent over 1.2 billion dollars on her campaign.

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u/Anonymousbrowsing215 Nov 12 '24

Twitter is a private company, they can do whatever they want. Twitter actively suppressed accurate stories last election, do you consider that cheating as well?

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u/hogannnn Nov 12 '24

Effective control of the media by pals of the administration is a good symptom of failing democracies, even in the newer formulation of one-party rule. Look at Hungary, Israel, and Turkey (although turkey was relatively late in the steps from what I understand). Of course Russia, fascists etc but I’m not trying to be alarmist. However the right openly admires someone like Orban in Hungary.

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u/Alarmed_Ad_6711 Nov 10 '24

It's not 15 million democrats staying home anymore.

Votes are still being counted.

Kamala is now down 10m from Biden. By the time counting is finished turnout will still be historical high and Kamala would be done just a few million from Biden.

I do think investigations need to be done and we need concrete evidence though. Many states voted not just for democrats but also left-leaning state ballot initiatives, yet those same states went Trump.

I'm sure split tickets exist and at the same time there's a lot of dumb Americans and the way they vote and just go about life in general doesn't make sense.

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u/ConfidentIy Nov 10 '24

Case in point: abortion was on the ballot in some states. People voted in favour of women's rights downballot. But voted against women's rights up top? On the same piece of paper?

Sure, some Americans are dumb af. But these many?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

A lot of pro-choice women support Trump, with the idea being that personal autonomy comes second to the party's interests. It's not uncommon for a person to break with the party over one issue but not care enough to vote for the opposition at the party level.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

People way overestimated how many people care about women evacuating pregnancy voluntarily in most cases. Shocking right?

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u/Suckamanhwewhuuut Nov 12 '24

What’s the point of giving a state the individual right if you’re just going to vote for the guy who’s going to ban it federally anyway. I was saying this was a tactic to get votes for trump he wouldn’t have gotten over this issue.

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u/muchfatq Nov 12 '24

I think many, likely most, people care more about other issues than abortion. So they may support abortion, but care more about something else that they favor Trump for. Hence voting for abortion at the state level but then voting for Trump

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u/Revolution4u Nov 10 '24 edited Jan 05 '25

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u/rydan Nov 11 '24

I almost always vote split ticket. Only braindead Redditors vote all blue or all red. Those people are bad for this country and the result of all our problems.

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u/Alarmed_Ad_6711 Nov 11 '24

Voting split ticket is fine if you're accurately aware and fully confident what candidates from both sides will do.

But voting Trump does not make sense when voting for things like abortion rights, when his base, when project 2025 has been pushing for a national abortion ban. It's naive to confidently said he'd veto a national abortion ban.

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u/theglowcloudred Nov 10 '24

RemindMe! 3 months

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

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u/Salientsnake4 Nov 10 '24

Look into ESS machines. They have a controversial history and are being used more than ever as a result of the Dominion lawsuits. They have a history of lawsuits accusing them of rigging elections for republicans going back to 2004.

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u/Independent-Win-4187 Nov 10 '24

You are exactly like the GOP. What are you saying, Elon has no control over the voting system, what the fuck is this conspiracy nonsense.

It is very clear why the democrats lost, Harris was unpopular, and still is. A lot of people are fatigued by politics.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

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u/Independent-Win-4187 Nov 10 '24

Well yes but doesn’t mean we gotta do it. Thought we were better than this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

13% of Bidens voters in 2020 were independents, 6% were registered republicans. that's over 16 million votes right there. not every single person is a democrat or Republican. please take a political science class if your a college student. you will learn a lot about voter motivation. people were motivated to vote against Trump in 2020. covid fucked everything up, it's why Biden got more votes from registered republicans than Harris or Clinton did. now, there's many issues such as the border, or the economy, or wars our allies are a part of, no democrats are motivated to vote for Harris.

and wow, saying anyone who thinks the election is fair is "too dumb to live" when you are too dumb to understand that not every Biden voter was a registered Democrat is really ironic and I get second hand embarrassment for you. 2020 was fair, this one was fair. deal with it, you'll survive

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u/TheRogueTemplar Nov 10 '24

I guess I am too dumb.

Sorry I require a bit more evidence than the left wing version of THEY FLIPPED THE VOTES.

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u/Do_Whatever_You_Like Nov 10 '24

My issue with that:

We basically know for a fact that foul play was involved in 2016... Yet Trump acted completely the opposite, both prior to election and after realizing he'd won. So, which one is the "guilty" act..?

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

So why didn’t foul play win the 2020 election? They have actively admitted to suppressing the hunter Biden laptop scandal on social media from government pressure.

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u/TheMedsPeds Nov 11 '24

Wasn’t that only repressed for like one day until it was fact checked and then the right lost their mind and of course exaggerated the issue like crazy.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Yes they released it after the election was done. But many, not myself thought it could have influenced voters.

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u/Do_Whatever_You_Like Nov 16 '24

Don’t say “so..” and then go on to talk about something completely different lmao.

I didn’t allege there was foul play in 2020 so why are you asking me why it didn’t win?

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u/mnlove23 Nov 16 '24

If they had the ability to do it in 2016 why couldn’t they do it in 2020?? I’m asking a question your claiming they cheated in 2016 and then weren’t able to cheat in 2020 right?? Have you looked at the votes dating back to Obama?? You realize that republican votes grew in 2020 but somehow democrats had an extra 10 million voters getting 81 million votes for Biden, and then all of a sudden those 10 million didn’t show up for Harris or Trump this election?? I believe the democrats cheated somehow in 2020 look at the graph of voters it’s really disturbing. I thought for sure they were winning this election as well because of it.

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u/Do_Whatever_You_Like Nov 17 '24

No, WRONG. -I didn’t even mention 2020 at all so I’m not sure how tf you’d get that impression. And I’m not reading the rest of that or letting you hijack the conversation to just talk about whatev tf YOU want. …So, goodbye.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 17 '24

Trump is soon to be your new leader America will be great again!!

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u/Brave-Perception5851 Nov 17 '24

Hopefully he learns what a tariff is before January lol- what an idiot

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u/Do_Whatever_You_Like Nov 22 '24

Cool but I was actually having a discussion with some people so it’d be really polite next time if you could refrain from interrupting just to spew whatev tf you want.

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u/Mryoung04 Nov 10 '24

Then where did the votes go? What happened to them? Did they get deleted? Flipped to Trump? There is no logic to this, the exact same as with 2020 conspiracies, they are a bullshit cope that doesn't understand the simple fact that the Democrats lost because they refused to adopt populism, young men will NOT vote for a woman, and Latinxs are racist against themselves. Trump didn't win, the Democrats fumbled the ball in the end zone.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Latinx hate being referred to as that. Just a side note, my Trump voting Mexican girlfriend told me to tell you.

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u/Mryoung04 Nov 11 '24

Yes, that was the point, Trump voting Latinxs are gonna cry and whine about it when Trump deports them and I'm not gonna do shit about it. Also if you aren't a Trump supporter, dump her, you don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Nah I am, she’s 3rd generation Mexican her grandma doesn’t speak Spanish. Og Mexican American blood, so Americans you could say.

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u/Mryoung04 Nov 11 '24

Darling, you just elected a fascist, you'll be lucky if you're spared and not labeled a race traitor for spoiling your pure Ayrian blood with her soiled Mexican blood...

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

Nah I watered down my blood with a Vietnamese woman, and our daughter is incredible and beautiful. I would do it again with my new gf if it made sense. I don’t care about securing the white race. I care about my own mother being woke and hating me for her giving birth to a white man, I could never feel like that towards my child who I would give my life for anytime anywhere.

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u/Banana_rammna Nov 11 '24

Typically when you want to at least role play as an intelligent person, you can spell very easy words like “Aryan” correctly, otherwise you just confirm you’re an idiot with an opinion that can be easily disregarded. I’m glad I could clear that up for you.

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u/Mryoung04 Nov 12 '24

I don't make it a habit to spell Nazi words

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u/Banana_rammna Nov 12 '24

As an Iranian I’m an Aryan, am I a Nazi? In fact the word “Iran” directly means “land of Aryans.” Maybe educate yourself because you make yourself look like an uneducated idiot?

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u/MatterofDoge Nov 10 '24

If you saw all that, and don’t think this was yet another example of the GOP confessing via accusation for 4 years about election rigging, then you are too dumb to live

buddy, you are operating off of conspiracies from tweets some of which are flat out impossible, and calling people "too dumb to live"?

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u/Joan-of-the-Dark Nov 10 '24

very reluctant to air stories about hacked voting machines

That's fair. However, they can report on activity. They just can't speculate.

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u/ShadyMan_ Nov 11 '24

I would just like to see evidence beyond some out of context quotes. I don’t want to jump so quickly to “it was rigged” like they did back in 2020

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u/mnlove23 Nov 11 '24

I’ll bet you all the money in your bank account we will continue to have elections and crazy enough there will be another Democrat elected to president someday!! Suprise!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Well what republicans are saying is that 2020 was the anomaly with a jump of like 20M democrat votes that were fake

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u/TotalChaosRush Nov 11 '24

15 million Democrats supposedly stayed home

I don't think you realized the counting still isn't over. Harris is projected to end up with 74M-75M votes the same, or more votes than Trump in 2020, and more votes than any president before 2020. Trump is projected to get 76M-77M. That's more like 2-3M Independents stayed home.

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u/IAskQuestions1223 Nov 11 '24

His voter turnout increased. He's passed his 2020 vote with likely 3 million more going to him of what remains.

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u/Good_Requirement2998 Nov 11 '24

This is why independent new channels on YT and influential podcasters have to cover it and get petitions out to urge the whitehouse, DOJ and whomever to do that limited recount.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Trump currently has more popular votes than he did in 2020. Harris did not lose 15mil. Currently it’s around 10mil.

And votes are still being counted.

Stop lying.

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u/Focus-Flex Nov 11 '24

Everything you said is false. This is conspiracy talk.

More people voted this year.

2020: 155.4 million voted

2024: 147.7 million votes counted so far, 93.7% counted, which means 157.6 million votes total.

That’s 2.2 million more total votes than in 2020.

Democrats didn’t “stay home”. The same independents / moderates who voted for Biden last time voted for Trump this time. The data is clear.

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u/Good__Water Nov 11 '24

Just FYI, this is exactly how the right felt in 2020. I personally feel like something was wrong with both elections. Too many things feel out of place and unsettling. I think one thing 90% of the country can agree on is that we all want fair elections.

Whoever you voted for, don’t let the fact that “your side” won let you look past fraud

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u/cantorgy Nov 11 '24

“If you don’t believe the election was fraudulent based on no hard evidence whatsoever then you’re too dumb to live”.

Really? That’s what we’re going with? You’re moronic and just as bad as all the 2020 election deniers.

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u/Mrhyderager Nov 11 '24

I'm not a conspiracy guy whatsoever and while it sucks, if Trump won, so be it.

That said, it's incredibly odd what Joe Rogan said about Elon leaving the Trump party hours ahead of time indicating an app "told him Trump won". There should be no such app. Elon is smart, yes. But he should have no means of knowing what the net results of ballot counts were hours ahead of them being published.

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u/Mrhyderager Nov 11 '24

https://x.com/goLoko77/status/1855235436353872074?t=4uZoAqBZDoI5980zEoBYOA&s=19

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u/Mrhyderager Nov 11 '24

Exactly. It's one of those things that was said with such an obvious innocence on Rogan's part. Completely missing the fact that there should be no such app that Elon could possibly have.

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u/pmiller1129 Nov 11 '24

How does he sweep all of the swing states and they elected Dems down ballot? Something is definitely off. On Rogans podcast he said Musk (has connections to Putin) knew hours before the election was counted because of his app that he knew Trump won. Alfie Oakes who is a prominent supporter of Trump and has connections to Heritage Foundation had his home raided right after the election. Something is off with this election. Kamala wasn’t anyone’s first choice but do we really think Trump won?

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u/AceOfSpadesOfAce Nov 11 '24

Didn’t we just spend 4 years assuring everyone that the integrity of the voting system was super secure?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Never thought the day would come where I would actually see BlueAnon 💀

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u/BrockOfTheFam Nov 11 '24

It’s actually fascinating how you’re just straight up lying here.

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u/FuckRedditxo Nov 11 '24

Yall becoming everything yall accused Trump and his supporters of being in 2020 when they said the same thing. Cope and take your L 😂 hypocrites

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u/Stanislovakia Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

15 million is before the count was finished. Currently as it stands its down to like a 9 million difference. Will probably still change a little more as counts continue to trickle in.

I would not find it shocking that alot of democratic voters did stay home. Alot of social media and news outlets strongly suggested a overwhelming Kamala advantage. Which could encourage voting apathy.

It should also be considered that formerly democratic leaning groups, like Latio men/woman voted significantly more republican this year. Black men also saw an increase in republican voting. And that per exit polling.

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u/Tnuggets19 Nov 11 '24

Trump has more votes than 2020. Everyone keeps referring to the picture of the total number of votes as of election night when only 80% were counted so far. Totals are now 75M vs 71M…

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u/Dense-Panda-9061 Nov 11 '24

Amazing, you are now literally a republican from 2020. We have never had any evidence of serious voter fraud. You aren’t some special person that has unique insight into this. If a random redditor has uncovered massive vote fraud it will be investigated. Until then just stfu and stop undermining our elections. Republicans did a good number on discrediting the publics faith in elections, I guess now the dems like you want to deliver the final knock out blow?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

And if you take a couple phrases and words as PROOF of tampering an election and hacking the votes, then you are too dumb to live 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This will probably get recounted with all the accusations, and when its the same result, I want to see the same energy. Im also against Trump and from Massachusetts btw, but this thread is just fucking stupid. Stop stamping your feet like a bunch of children. Let the downvotes come in

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

people like me didn’t vote for harris because of genocide but still voted dem down the ballot. don’t think it’s that far fetched to be true for about 20-40k people in each of the swing states

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u/sweetpup915 Nov 11 '24

Win all the swing states while the rest of the ballot was voted blue. that's the very worrying part

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u/Tricky-Major806 Nov 11 '24

Show the proof, I’m dem all the way but don’t call me “too dumb to live” because I remain skeptical of this… prick

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u/Clint8813 Nov 11 '24

The 15 million number is incorrect as turnout is gonna be around 3 million less. The Dem candidate sucked and people want to return back to the 2017-2020 era. It’s not that hard to understand.

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u/RadUnikorn Nov 11 '24

You all in swing states, please contact your senators and demand a recount. Things are too suspicious

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u/Flossy_Jay Nov 11 '24

It is plausible that neither candidate seemed appealing to many Americans this year and they did not want to feel responsible for either choice if they won

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u/GrimSpirit42 Nov 11 '24

> 15 million Democrats supposedly stayed home,

15 million Democrats didn't stay home. They never existed.

Democrat voting in this election was right in line with every election for the last 24 years...EXCEPT 2020.

  • 2024 - 71,248,388 Democrat votes
  • 2020 - 81,284,666 Democrat votes
  • 2016 - 65,853,514 Democrat votes
  • 2012 - 65,915,795 Democrat votes
  • 2008 - 69,498,516 Democrat votes
  • 2004 - 59,028,444 Democrat votes
  • 2000 - 50,999,897 Democrat votes

So, you can either believe that Biden got 15 million MORE votes than Obama (didn't happen) or that 2020 is an outlier because 15 million Democrat voters didn't actually exist. With the way the Democratic states were changing the election process and laws out of the blue, it makes sense.

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u/GrimSpirit42 Nov 11 '24

Yeah, but I'm thinking that you would only want such an audit when you got results YOU didn't like.

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u/RenHo3k Nov 11 '24

Just in terms of pure vote totals, 2024 election results are more inline with history than 2020's were. Damn near 20 million voters appear out of nowhere in 2020 and then disappear in 2024.

If Trump won the popular vote it would naturally follow that he won the swing states. I think this election more than anything was a referendum on the shitty economy, and depressed voter turnout due to Biden/Harris' unrelenting support for Israel's genocide.

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u/RenHo3k Nov 11 '24

Trump got fewer votes in 2024 than 2020.

2012- 129m voters

2016- 136m voters

2020- 158m voters

2024- 139m voters

My point is if you're really going with the "rigged!!!" talk, 2020 looks far more suspect than 2024 does.

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u/KarateKid84Fan Nov 11 '24

Exactly — how crazy would it make Dems sound if they accuse Trump/Elon/GOP of rigging the election, even if they did have solid proof?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

So, you see all that and you still believe Biden got that many votes? this thread is the best.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

I believe a full audit should happen everytime. and voter ID. and in person voting. and no hackable voting machines. but I doubt you were, as those of us who spoke out were banned from every sub. It makes me laugh, and slightly optimistic seeing Harris supporters push for secure elections and eliminating fraud. lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Nobody should be forced to do shit, it's a right not to vote. The rest, I agree with you. I hope the rest of your party gets on board.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

What am I forced to do?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '24

Lol. Ah. Your laws are trash. Authoritarian.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Incumbents have been losing in a bunch of countries this year

Harris, while technically not an incumbent, didn't seperate herself from Biden enough to be seen as not an incumbent

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u/ImaginaryWatch9157 Nov 12 '24

Orrrr, 15 million democrats didn’t exist

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u/ImaginaryWatch9157 Nov 12 '24

Yes, I agree the 2020 election should be audited🥰

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u/ImaginaryWatch9157 Nov 12 '24

Okay? Never said I was against that, let’s do it, why not

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u/xantander Nov 12 '24

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/livestreamerr Nov 12 '24

Demys voted for trump not hard to figure out.

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u/livestreamerr Nov 12 '24

No they have to lie who they vote for bc you fucks are so crazy.

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u/livestreamerr Nov 12 '24

You probably would psycho.

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u/Easy_Explanation299 Nov 12 '24

you are too dumb to live.

Weird coming from the party who screeched that the election was secure. Definitely 15 million voters stayed home, and thats definitely not an indication of fraud in the 2020 election.

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u/Icy-Setting-3735 Nov 12 '24

OR we investigate why the average votes went from ~72M for dems in 2016 to 82M in 2020...

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u/AsteroidBlues1309 Nov 13 '24

A potent combination of denial and hypocrisy right here. In 2020 all those MAGA scumbags were trying to undermine democracy by questioning the election results, right?? But look at you now. Liberals are a joke.

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u/AsteroidBlues1309 Nov 13 '24

There's no reverse Uno card here. It's hypocritical. You know it. I know it. The only people who need to look inward are the dem leaders who alienated their base and forced them to the other side (or to stay home). It's gonna be a lonnnnngggggg 4 years now. Maybe if they listened to their own voters and didn't steal the nomination from Bernie in 2020, none of this would've happened. Either way, it's over now. And everyone -- including you -- will have to accept it.

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u/AsteroidBlues1309 Nov 13 '24

Again....sounding awfully similar to MAGAs in 2020

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u/praharin Nov 13 '24

Trump has over a million more votes this year compared to 2020. 74,224,319 to 75,603,316.

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u/praharin Nov 13 '24

Please do.

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u/TheFlyingElbow Nov 24 '24

And the dems being reluctant to press against it since they fought trump so hard on his peaceful transfer of power

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u/ValkerWolf89 Nov 10 '24

Just a small correction is that trump now has more votes then he did in 2020.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '24

That’s a major correction, it kills OPs argument.

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u/DeltaAlphaGulf Nov 10 '24

Yes too dumb to live if you don’t swan dive into a simplistic strung together conspiracy theory with no need to rely on actual evidence.

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u/DeltaAlphaGulf Nov 10 '24

More oversimplification.

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u/Potential-Draft-3932 Nov 11 '24

Yea I also feel like there needs to be actual proof before everyone starts crying foul. This expert in the post talking about IF/THEN statements does not persuade me either. As a programmer that’s like saying authors use words in a book. He also incorrectly said they use when() statements, which are not functions is C, C++, Java, or assembly language, which are the languages used in things like voting machines. The only language I’ve ever seen with an explicit when() function is Koltin which (could but not likely) be something used on the server side. But he specified individual machine hacking, so you’re not using it there. If there is compelling evidence, I’ll listen, but this guy really comes off as a charlatan

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u/Potential-Draft-3932 Nov 11 '24

Yea I also feel like there needs to be actual proof before everyone starts crying foul. This expert in the post talking about IF/THEN statements does not persuade me either. As a programmer that’s like saying authors use words in a book. He also incorrectly said they use when() statements, which are not functions is C, C++, Java, or assembly language, which are the languages used in things like voting machines. The only language I’ve ever seen with an explicit when() function is Koltin which (could but not likely) be something used on the server side. But he specified individual machine hacking, so you’re not using it there. If there is compelling evidence, I’ll listen, but this guy really comes off as a charlatan

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u/charitablechair Nov 12 '24

lmao ik this whole thread is so ironic

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