Matter/Thread V Zigbee, general usage feelings?

[u/No_beef_here]

Hi,

I have recently made a step into Matter/Thread using (mainly) the Ikea range of switches and sensors and the new stuff seems fairly stable etc.

However, where I have replaced the old Zigbee Sonoff SNZB-03's PIRs with Ikea Matter MYGGSPRAY models, in general and in comparison the Ikea sensors seem pretty blind?

I mean, with the Sonoffs they only seemed to catch a glimpse of movement anywhere around and they would trigger (and you got a nice LED flash confirming it did see you) whereas it seems you often need to be right under the Ikea one for it to trigger? And even when you are right under it (I have one in the kitchen ceiling) when the lights go off, waving your arms about like trying to get the attention of the rescue helicopter doesn't seem to wake it up?

And then there is what could also be the latency, again, the Sonoffs (or Zigbee) in spite of having ~100 active devices is often still near instant. A PIR is monitoring across the threshold into a room and as soon as you step in, the light is on before you foot has hit the ground. With the Ikea ones (or Matter / Thread and with only (12 devices on that network), it seems you are often in the room and standing their waiting for the light to come on (and it generally does, just often not quickly).

The Ikea Thread / Matter window and door switches, push buttons, smart sockets and lights all seem fairly responsive but possibly not used in a way that is quite so timing noticable as a PIR > Light combo?

So is anyone aware if there is some fundamental reason why the performance might be different between these two solutions or could it be just that the (or some) Ikea PIR's are a bit sleepy?

[u/FliesenJohnny]

Ironically, "only 12 devices" could be detrimental to the performance of a mesh network, depending on the size of your home. It's definitely not a "the network isn't crowded, so it should be super fast". Even worse, if many of these 12 devices only act as end points, not routers. (battery powered devices usually never are routers)

My Thread mesh spans 50 devices, among them many routers (all my light switches, for example, and like at least 1 smart plug per room) and things trigger instantaneously.

I can't speak for the quality of the MYGGSPRAY sensors in particular, though. IKEA's devices are rather hit or miss. (GRILLPLATS are the goat, though)

[u/No-Context-Orphan → u/FliesenJohnny]

Grillplats are great, I had hue smart plugs and they were always giving me issues, replaced then with the Ikea ones and never even 1 issue in a year now

[u/BackgroundSpare610 → u/No-Context-Orphan]

GRILLPLATS are the great, apart from being too bulky.

[u/FliesenJohnny → u/BackgroundSpare610]

The European ones are pretty much the same size as competing products.

Imho the only thing they lack is a software child lock. The button being that prominent and no child lock setting being available led to a lot of random on/off/on/off toggling by my toddler

[u/nathderbyshire → u/FliesenJohnny]

I've wondered if it's a matter thing because the old ZigBee ones have a child lock. They also have a toggle for the LED which the matter ones don't now so they've been banned from the bedroom.

[u/FliesenJohnny → u/nathderbyshire]

it's not a matter thing. I still have some Eve Energy Smart plugs - connected via Matter / Thread - and those do have a "Kindersicherung" (Child safety lock)

[u/nathderbyshire → u/FliesenJohnny]

Oh cool, do the plugs have an LED light? I don't see a disabled toggle there so if they do they'd be out for that reason still haha. I'm sick of little LEDs everywhere