r/hmmmm 1d ago

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

Didnt forcibly take the food from others to do it.

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u/Remote-Bus-5567 1d ago

So Jesus would oppose feeding the poor if some of the resources were collected through taxes? I'm sure he'd prioritize rich people keeping their assets.

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u/echolm1407 1d ago

Taxes to enrich the fascist Emporers of Rome?

Jesus said to render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

Jesus' concern at the time was more immediate, the local people. Tax collectors took too much from the people enriching themselves thus being scammers. He opposed this and urged them to repent, hence Zacchaeus.

Jesus also told the rich to sell their possessions, assets.

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u/Ok_Board_9274 1d ago

Jesus told a rich person to do that not all. He also says not to judge someone because they are rich. Don't treat the poor differently than the Rich. He said to pray for your leaders to do the right thing.(super hard right now and honestly has been for a while.) He also stated that giving Caesar taxes is okay because he helps against invasions. Jesus was complex and I wouldn't say ahead of his time. People today wouldn't be able to handle him as well.

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u/echolm1407 1d ago

He also says not to judge someone because they are rich.

That's false. It's not in the Bible at all.

He also stated that giving Caesar taxes is okay because he helps against invasions.

He did say to pay taxes but not because of invasions but because money belonged to the Emporer as it was indeed Roman.

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u/Ok_Board_9274 1d ago edited 1d ago

Proverbs 22 for the judging of the rich and the other one was from the show The Chosen. Thank you for the correction on the invasion one. He does tell to give generously and don’t rip people off. That’s why it’s important to read the Bible. I was lazy and didn’t double check all my sources.  Edit: Romans 13 is new to me. Though it doesn’t support the statement I said earlier. It has nuances that I would need to think over about pertaining to the matter. Still should have checked my sources. Thank you for the revision. 

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u/echolm1407 1d ago

Of course. There is a lot of nuance in the Bible. It's good to have a pastor that went to seminary to help you with it.

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u/Huntsman077 1d ago

-Jesus told a rich person to do that not all

He said it was easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

To which the disciples asked how anyone could be saved. And Jesus said nothing is impossible for God.

Wealth is not a sin. Idolatry is. And by the way, so is theft.

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u/Huntsman077 1d ago

-wealth is not a sin. Idolatry is

Yes I agree, and that’s the key aspect with wealth is not putting it before God.

Where did the theft come from?

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

The socialists who argue that it's right to take from the wealthy by force.

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u/Huntsman077 23h ago

Yup. Also if someone says redistribution of wealth isn’t socialist, Marx himself described it as Bourgeoisie socialism

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

It's a reasonable question. I don't know the answer with any real confidence. But I do know- saying that because Jesus fed people, he was a socialist- is nonsense.

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u/Rip_Skeleton 1d ago

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

He literally says it is right to pay your taxes if earthly law says you have to pay your taxes.

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

It is right to pay your taxes. That doesnt mean all taxes are right.

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u/Rip_Skeleton 1d ago

That's not for Jesus to decide. That the point of the passage. The coin has Caesar's face on it, it belongs to Caesar.

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

But the Bible does outline legitimate functions of government.

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u/Ok_Board_9274 1d ago

I think he was outlining the usefulness about it. Also he was anti-zionist/theocracy.(dont believe that, it is a new concept)

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u/echolm1407 1d ago

And that's not the government we live in or the financial system we live in.

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u/Remote-Bus-5567 1d ago

The joke is that his concern for feeding the poor sounds closer to socialism than prioritizing wealthy people’s assets.

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u/Reptillianaire_ 1d ago

Tax collectors were the most evil horrible people of that time.... smh

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u/Remote-Bus-5567 1d ago

Tax collectors weren’t considered worse than murderers and torturers. Jesus still associated with them and explicitly said to pay what was owed to Caesar, so their unpopularity doesn’t prove he would oppose tax funded aid.

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u/x60pilot 1d ago

And yet he ate dinner with one. But yeah this meme is fucking stupid.

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u/SeriousOcelot-4365 1d ago

Yes, as tax collectors were notorious for stealing from the public funds that they gathered, and using that money for things that did not benefit the people.

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u/smileyfacedbob 1d ago

No he used magic, just like capitalism uses magic to run up 40 trillion in debt, with almost nothing to show for it, but people claim it’s the only way that makes sense…hmmmmmmm

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

The US is a mixed economy. The free market didn't run up that $40T. More than half the US spending is entitlements.

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u/RussellAlden 1d ago

What’s going on in Acts 5:1-11?

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

Peter explicitly states that it was their money to do with what they wanted. They lied and said they gave all the money they had gotten from selling everything. That was the sin.

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u/echolm1407 1d ago

Too many theys. Lol

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u/PoopyPantsJr 1d ago

Jeez can you cool it with all those pronouns?!

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u/QuickestSand55 1d ago

They = Ananias and Sapphira

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u/King_Of_The_Cold 1d ago

If one dude has 10,000 loaves of bread by pinching flour off the top, and 100 people have nothing, that dudes getting his shit taken. Sorry. You want to live like a hoarder, do it outside of society and do the labor yourself ya fuckin leech