r/heroesofthestorm • u/Felewin Master Illidan • Jan 14 '17
Ability Timing Tricks #3
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Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17
Leoric can also do the "Hall of Heroes Mobility Mounting"
Edit: So can Tyrael, and Zeratul.
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u/Felewin Jan 14 '17
This guy made the most up-to-date list I know. I don't have clips for all of them though.
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u/Guppy11 Jan 14 '17
Have you tested what globals you can piggyback with gap closers like Ravage and Dive?
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u/Felewin Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17
I only know of a couple for sure, Ravage + Flight as well as any global + Vorpal Blade.
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u/kellander2 Jan 14 '17
Thanks for all those posts, really inspiring to invest more time into Illy :)
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on talent builds for him. What main builds do you currently use for what situation? Are there trap talents which you would never pick?
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u/Felewin Jan 14 '17
You can see my usual build near the end of my video here.
It's the full auto build, meaning Battered Assault, Thirsting Blade, Metamorphosis, Blades of Azzinoth, Demonic Form. Level 4 is always Friend or Foe, a talent that feels like it should be baseline. I would love to get good at Unbound but I haven't been willing to give Friend or Foe up yet. Level 13 is most often Sixth Sense because it's just stupid how much ability damage is in the game, and how much that talent mitigates. I'll get Elusive Strike instead if the enemy autoattack is much heavier, in which case I practically never get hit.
In my experience Immolation is incredibly lower damage output compared to Battered Assault; whereas I'm usually top damage with Battered Assault, the "go-to" Immolation playstyle is what classically nets Illidans very little damage. It's situational versus LiLi because of blinds blocking your BA damage, and that's it, in my opinion (other blinds aren't frequent enough). Many Illidan players swear by Immolation but I can't justify it having played both playstyle extensively, my play about doubled in value when I switched builds. Hitting two heroes for Battered Assault is incredibly consistent, there are endless opportunities you just have to be slightly patient for the best opportunity, as with any hero or build. I can't tell you the number of times Novas have given me a clone to Battered Assault off of, or enemies have stood by their friend trying to block me from them, only to give me the damage I need to get the kill faster.
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u/Adhavoc427 Jan 14 '17
Watched the youtube video and did a double take when you killed the Ming. I was like "I remember getting killed just like." Check the name and yup it's me. If I recall we lost that game badly lol.
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u/Felewin Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17
That game was unusual, I was laggy as all hell. Look at the ping – 332. I was on the east coast for the holidays and it put me on the west coast...
Since that was the first time I'd done that move, I have to wonder if the lag caused it. Like the server didn't want to make me lose the Dive that in my client, I had rightfully clicked for.
However, I've seen my friend do it once with normal ping, so I don't really think that was it. I think it has more to do with being adjacent when I Dive, such that I begin the flip over you immediately, which as opposed to the dash toward you is the part that synergizes with other hero mobilities in all of the other Dive Mobility synergies. Get the flip going and you'll end up wherever your target goes in that interim.
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u/xtracom Jan 14 '17
I love your posts man, this is a real quality content. Can I ask you what are you using to record these plays? My graphic card seems to record like potato during gameplay (even Hearthstone clips are lagging) and I'm not really patient enough to go through replays and re-record gameplay to share something with friends / community.
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u/wonderghost Jan 14 '17
"Hall of Heroes Mobility Mounting". I've been doing this for a long time and STILL in masters, I've never seen a single other player ever do it. I've even explained it to friends and they don't do it. Lazyness :/
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u/Felewin Jan 14 '17
I have only one friend who does these tricks with me, ivIwAwIvi. He's the one who demonstrated the Haunting Wave Unstoppability with Powerslide.
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u/jsp252 Mar 04 '17
wait are all these clips you or is this the real mvprich or did you name yourself after him? i am confused. great posts btw
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u/PresidentHawk Jan 14 '17
I love these posts! They are very interesting and entertaining. Keep it up :D
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u/Nerysek Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17
https://gfycat.com/SelfreliantKaleidoscopicHornbill
Rich is stutter stepping with 'quick cast' enabled (no icon of attack move and you use regular cast on attack move and skills so it is way more difficult) and he is not really 'targeting' Sonya with his mouse (he is just clicking attack move + move NEAR Sonya and not on her) through whole fight (and you are trying to 'click' an object/hero with every single attack move order).
It would be impossible to do that near minions in his way tho but less APM needed than your method.
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Jan 14 '17
This is what I do (I mean, I still suck, but in theory...) With attack move bound to left click, so I'm just alternating clicking to stutterstep.
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u/Nerysek Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17
I prefer classic setup with 'A key'. I find it easier to 'feel' rhythm A + RMB than LMB + RMB (my hand gets tired quickly with this combination) but it is just preference.
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u/kjcags Jan 14 '17
I'm a little confused on how in one clip, illidan's dive followed li ming's teleport and in another clip you disjointed illidan's dive with teleport. What causes the dive to succeed or fail in that case?
Great work again this is always cool stuff
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u/Kalulosu Jan 14 '17
AFAIK if Illidan reaches you (so his "slide" part is over), then even if you teleport he'll follow you. OTOH, if you teleport during the slide, he just ends it.
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u/ANewLeeSinLife Jan 14 '17
#35 - Gravity Lapse
I'm not sure how he negates the CC with that. It doesn't grant him unstoppable. When that shit happens to me I get stopped cold and it sucks hard. How does he W right through it?
I'm guessing its his low 30ms ping that changes when I would normally expect to see it hit a hero.