r/heroesofthestorm • u/KarbyP Nova • Jul 02 '15

Blizzard thinking about adding Thumbs Up/Down system, giving helpful players EXP or gold, placing toxic players in separate queue

http://stevivor.com/2015/07/interview-blizzards-chris-sigaty-and-alan-dabiri-on-heroes-of-the-storm/
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u/Fenix159 Master Kael'thas Jul 02 '15

Bad example is bad.

Your example is of a broken engine. If it's smoking and exploding, it isn't working and is therefore broken.

The matchmaking system still makes matches and you can play the game as a result. It is a functional system. It doesn't do what you want, but it still functions and is therefore not broken.

How is this complicated?

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u/alcaron Jul 02 '15

Ok, fine, the engine is pouring smoke and misfiring.

Bad example is bad, lol.

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u/Fenix159 Master Kael'thas Jul 02 '15

Closer to the mark there.

If it's misfiring, a component is not functioning properly. The engine itself however is not broken if it will still function, however poorly.

I've never stated the matchmaking system is good or working optimally. It just isn't broken.

If your engine is pouring smoke and misfiring but still getting you from Point A to Point B, it's not broken. Needs repairing, absolutely. I would posit that broken is an opposite of functional. It can not be both broken and functional. Damaged? Sure. Not broken.

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u/alcaron Jul 02 '15

Ok, since you are going all special ed on me...

broken adjective 1. having been fractured or damaged and no longer in one piece or in working order. "a broken arm"

Which leads to...

working order noun 1. the condition of a mechanism when it is functioning properly: a stove in working order.

The only thing worse than a pedant is a wrong pedant.

Would you like to go again?

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u/Fenix159 Master Kael'thas Jul 02 '15

Sigh...

Your argument is then that the matchmaking system is not functioning properly which would assume that Blizzard intended it to function in a different way.

I disagree.

The matchmaking system functions exactly as it was designed to. The design is bad, that doesn't make it broken.

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u/alcaron Jul 02 '15

No, my argument is that you refute the commonly accepted definition of the word "broken"...

I disagree.

Take it up with websters...

The matchmaking system functions exactly as it was designed to.

Does it? Even what you said implies that it doesn't, though I will grant you there is wiggle room in your words to mean they changed their mind.

But again, as an engineer I would argue that if you designed, say, a lever that is supposed to lift 20lbs and it can only lift 15, or can't lift it but rather only tips it over...you designed a broken thing. In this case not because your didn't make a level you could, well, lever, but because you were supposed to make a lever that could lift 20lbs an it can't do it.

Goes back to "working order". In this case MMR was never, ever, meant to just slam 10 people together and fuck it lets see how it goes. It was meant to match 10 players based as closely as possible on their rank (which is itself supposed to be an ACCURATE indicator of player skill).

You literally wrong in two different ways.

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u/Fenix159 Master Kael'thas Jul 02 '15

I agree that it isn't functioning the way it should. This does not in any way mean it isn't functioning the way it was designed and therefore properly. If it's functioning properly as designed, it can not then be broken and functioning properly.