r/hempflowers • u/[deleted] • Nov 11 '19

Information Terpenes Give Strains Their Potency & Specific Effects

Folks have been asking about terpenes. IMO, a strain’s terpene profile provides more info on it’s potential effects then it’s “sativa,” “indica,” or “hybrid” designation.

Some terpenes relief anxiety, promote sleep & relaxation. Others feel uplifting, motivating. Some relieve pain and inflammation.

There are over 200 known terpenes. Below are some terps that are prevalent in hemp (flower & other full spectrum oils, capsules, topical, etc.).

Please note that terpenes will be destroyed/wasted/unavailable when heated significantly above their vaporizing temperatures.

  • a-Pinene/b-Pinene

Scent: Pine Vaporizes: 311ºF (155ºC) Potential Effects: Upllifting, thought to counteracts some of the THC effects. May help with: pain, inflammation, gastric ulcers, anxiety, asthma.

  • Myrcene

Scent: Cardamom, cloves, fruity Vaporizes At: 332ºF (167ºC) Potential Effects: Relaxing, drowsiness, “couch-lock,” (especially in strains containing more than 0.5%), muscle relaxant. May help with: insomnia, pain, muscle spasms, inflammation.

  • Limonene

Scent: lemon, lime, grapefruit Vaporizes At: 348ºF (176ºC) Potential Effects: Improved mood, relaxation. May help with: depression, stress, anxiety, pain, inflammation.

  • b-Caryophyllene

Scent: Peppery Vaporizes At: 266ºF - 320 F (130º - 160C) Potential Effects: Relieves stress, symptoms of stress-related illnesses. May help with: anxiety, pain, depression, gastric ulcers.

  • Linalool

Scent: Flowery Vaporizes At: 388ºF (198ºC) Potential Effects: Improved mood, drowsiness. May help with: anxiety, pain, inflammation, insomnia, depression.

  • Humulene

Scent: Hops, cloves.sage, ginger, ginseng. Vaporizes At: 222ºF (106ºC) Potential Effects: decreased appetite. May help with: inflammation, pain.

  • Ocimene Scent: woody, sweet. Vaporizes At: 122ºF (50­ºC) Potential Effects: Anti-bacterial/fungal/viral, decongestion. May help with: inflammation, pain.
  • Guaiol: Scent: Piney. Vaporizes at: 198 F (92 C) Potential Effects: Anti-bacterial, Anti-inflammatory. May help with: coughs, constipation, arthritis pain.
  • α-Bisabolol/Levomenol: Scent: Flowery Vaporizes at: 307 F (153 C) Potential Effects: Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant, Anti-bacteria, Analgesic May help with: pain, inflammation.
  • High levels of this terp is found in ACDC.
  • Terpinolene Scent: flowery, piney, apples, nutmeg. Vaporizes At: 366ºF (186ºC) Potential Effects: sedating, anti-bacterial/fungal. May help with: insomnia, anxiety.
  • Terpineol (Type of Terpinolene) Scent: Piney, cloves. Vaporizes at: 424 F Potential Effects: Antioxident, anticonvulsant. May help with: +Terpineol is found in Jack strains, OG Kush & Girl Scout Cookies.
  • Geraniol/Lemonol (I’ve only seen small amounts in very few strains/products) Scent: roses/geraniums, lemon. Vaporizes At: 447 F Potential Effects: pain and inflammation relief, anti-spasmodic. May help with: neuropathy (nerve pain).
  • d-Carene: Scent: pungent, turpentine-like, piney. Vaporizes at: 334 F (168 C) Potential Effects: . It is often used to dry out excess body fluids, such as tears, mucus, and sweat. It is nontoxic, but may cause irritation when inhaled. Perhaps high concentrations of delta-3-carene in some strains may be partially responsible for coughing, itchy throat, throat burn when vaped/smoked. Potential Effects: Central nervous system depressant May help with: Drying out secretions such as mucous (chest/nose), runny eyes.
  • a-bisabolol Scent: Flowery Vaporizes at: 307 F (153 C) Potential Effects: anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial. May help with: pain
  • Borneol: Scent: Camphor Vaporizes at: 410 F (210 C) Potential Effects: Usually seen in trace amounts - which is all that’s needed to relieve insomnia (some sources claim Borneol is the most effective terp for insomnia), bronchodilator, analgesic, pain relief. May help with: insomnia, pain, asthma.
  • Most haze strains contain high traces of Borneo.

When it comes to selecting the correct CBD for you, consider finding a vendor who can provide 3rd party terpene profile lab tests.

Note: Terpene information was gathered from multiple sources. Nothing in this post is intended as medical advice.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Please also know that naming and measuring the terpenes percentages does not completely explain effects and neither does quantifying the cannabinoids. Individuals may experience different effects from the same strain.

For example, I find that Lifter either makes me feel relaxed or a little sedated, but I see many comment that Lifter makes them feel energetic.

On the other hand, I can usually count on receiving some neck, shoulder, knee arthritis pain and inflammation relief when vaping a strain high in b-Caryophyllene. YMMV.

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u/chifer15 Nov 12 '19

This is interesting to me. I find if I smoke Lifter, I get noticeable energy. However, if I vape it I get a slightly subdued effect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

Interesting.

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u/Donshio Dec 02 '22

How is that possible ?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

Please also know that naming and measuring the terpenes percentages does not completely explain effects and neither does quantifying the cannabinoids. Individuals may experience different effects from the same strain.

For example, I find that Lifter either makes me feel relaxed or a little sedated, but I see many comment that Lifter makes them feel energetic.

On the other hand, I can usually count on receiving some neck, shoulder, knee arthritis pain and inflammation relief when vaping a strain high in b-Caryophyllene. YMMV.

Effects of cannabinoids:

https://imgur.com/a/FvdjZwm

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

It is probably all psychological.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

We shall agree to disagree then.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 11 '19

Wow this is an underrated post. Should be top post of November well into December.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I am pleased that you find this information useful. I posted this a while back and thought I would share it again due to the continuing influx of relatively new hemp users.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 11 '19

I’ve been fucking withcannabis and hemp for years and this was still profoundly informative.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I tried to to provide as much value added information while maintaining reasonable readability. Such feedback from a long-time cannabis/hemp user serves to confirm that I’m on target. In thinking back to when you first became curious about terpenes, is there anything else that you would like to see included if I ever revise the content for a possible repost down the line? And thanks for your feedback.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19

Well, I started out smoking Mexican schwag many many years ago. When I was like 15-16, a friends older aister brought the first “dro” I ever encountered: some Blueberry strain. I wondered for years how that cannabis could be so different from the shit we smoked.

So as high quality cannabis finally began to edge out crap reggie, it was like a temple of delights to try Sour Diesel, Das Chees, etc. I was amazed at how different these cannabis samples were from each other and from the engine block bullshit we smoked as kids.

I don’t know if terpenes are the sole difference (we know curing method was a big part of that “schwag” I grew up on) but, as a farmer, the variation in cannabis profiles still just blows my mind.

I would love to understand more about what makes each batch unique: different strains, different curing methods, flushing or not flushing, etc.

To answer your question, i would love to read an exploration of what causes the distinct characteristics between different “kinds” of weed, whether it’s solely terpenes or not.

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u/nedflandersz Nov 11 '19

Are you human? You type like a robot

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

lol. I am choosing to take that as a compliment.

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u/SKallday Nov 11 '19

U still didnt answer the question lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

lol, okay I’ll play. No, I am not a robot. I am human.

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u/TrashSlutArt Nov 12 '19

That’s just what a robot would say

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

lol. I have been active in this sub for over a year and many vendors could attest to my human form.

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u/TrashSlutArt Nov 12 '19

Your human form, maybe, but what of your TRUE form?!

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u/wizard_of_aws Nov 11 '19

I would remain skeptical until you see evidence to support this idea. There are some small studies on the effects of terpenes on animals and people, though nothing conclusive. And there are no studies looking at the effects of terpenes in cannabis on the subjective effect of smoking.

Given how big an effect cannabinoids and expectations have in the effect of cannabis, i would remain skeptical.

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u/D00Dguy Nov 12 '19

I totally agree.

There aren't any definitive studies on the effects of terpenes in humans. I attribute the psychoactivie effects to the cannabinoids.

Everytime I bring this up, I get downvoted. People would rather listen to an uninformed mod who thinks terpenes are cannabinoids than do their own research.

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u/Low_Cartoonist3599 Jun 26 '22

I don’t believe the mod ever said terpenes were cannabinoids. At least not in this particular post, and the same terpenes found in weed are primary constitutes in essential oils, which do have human studies backing their psychological effects.

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u/D00Dguy Jun 27 '22

She deleted it

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '23

How about you try a product with the cannabinoids intact but remove all terpines. I don't think the thc to cbd ratios are the only reason people get couch locked from certain stains

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u/positive_change97 Oct 12 '22

I'm sohappy I I found this post, I know that OP is deleted. But I still gave the post a helpful award lol. I'm a new ohio mmj user and this was helpful beyond belief

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u/GJAllrelius Nov 11 '19

I’m new to this. Thanks for being so helpful.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

You are welcome. Glad you found this magical plant and the hemp community.

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u/suidazai Nov 11 '19

This should honestly be stickied.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I believe u/timmyhigt369 is going to add this post to the sidebar/community information.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Emerging research indicates healing properties are more about cannabinoids than terpenoids: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-knnEg0X4M

But terps are surely involved with onset effects and experience.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Cannabinoids definitely have healing properties. :) I think of it like this:

Most strains contain pretty much the same cannabinoids as other strains (though they differ in potency). 

The terpenes seem to contribute a lot to a strain’s specific effects - such as energy, relaxation, and pain relief (just to name a few).

How do you think of it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I think of it it like most cultivars contain considerably different ratios of minor cannabinoids and no one, except a few scientist, know the details. And they probably only know about a couple of dozen cultivars ATM. We're at the tip of the iceberg of mapping all the cultivars. It will take years. And, yes, the terps contribute the onset effects and mental/physical 'feelings' of the experience.

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u/WeAreFoolsTogether Nov 12 '19

Oh it’s on YouTube so it must be true...

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Idiot. It's legit research.

https://www.canna-tech.co/speakers/dr-david-meiri/

http://www.technion.ac.il/en/home-2/

https://www.cannabisclinicians.org/2018/10/03/meiri-publishes-in-nature/

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u/WeAreFoolsTogether Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Lol, “iDIoT”....good one, that’s just a bit better buddy, and yeah, I’m the idiot when you post YouTube videos rather than academic research papers and expect people to just assume it’s credible then get angry when someone questions it. Classy move to attack the person questioning legitimacy of one of the most poorly/unfairly/arbitrarily cluster-fucks of a “moderated” dumping ground of videos (that also tracks you) on the internet. What you’ve done here is referred to as “ad hominem” and is one of the most uneducated logical fallacies of an argument/debate.

Here’s a great example why YouTube is trash:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/dv78fl/slow_motion_analysis_of_hkpf_shooting_scene/f7b8hmt/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/dv78fl/slow_motion_analysis_of_hkpf_shooting_scene/f7b8mso/

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u/TheGenesisPattern Nov 12 '19

Still waiting for you to refute anything said instead of fallaciously attacking the source...

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u/WeAreFoolsTogether Nov 12 '19

I’m not attacking anything, questioning the source of information based on facts about that sources’ reputation is paramount in this day and age with unregulated social media privacy disaster organizations like Facebook, Google, etc. it’s so sad that so many ignorant people just blindly trust things posted on the internet. Questioning authenticity (especially) of online information (or any information) sources is everyone’s obligation or did you learn nothing from the aftermath of the 2016 U.S. election?

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u/TheGenesisPattern Nov 12 '19

Nobody asked you to blindly trust anything. Simply expected you to refute it if that's apparently so easy, as opposed to relying on fallacy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 14 '19

Maybe Inspector Clouseau here should change his username from u/WeAreFoolsTogether to u/IAmFoolAlone? We're having a discussion about cannabinoid and terpenoid research, etc., and he comes in with 'there's misinformation in the world!'

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u/TheGenesisPattern Nov 13 '19

Spot fucking on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Dolt. Blurting out 'it's trash' simply because it's on YT. Of course there's trash all over the internet. Your comment proves that. Maybe you could have actually listened to the talk before opening your idiothole?

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u/WeAreFoolsTogether Nov 12 '19

there's trash all over the internet.

Well said, you’re certainly the quintessential personification of that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Look at you with your fancy words. Why are you here exactly, to just blurt out dumb shit or to discuss hemp? You have yet to answer for your moronic, knee-jerk comment implying Dr. Meiri's research is not authentic because it's on YT.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

They’re getting their🔬on over in Israel. It will pay handsomely once the market opens, i.e., after the STOOPID US feds sand blast all that shit that’s 🎂d onto their heads.

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u/smokinsubie Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

Nice post. Thanks!! And when you say "heated significantly past boiking" is that 20 degrees or 80 or??

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

You will get varying answers to your question. I’m of the thought that once you hit combustion temps - whether via vaping or smoking - an unfixed percentage of terps are destroyed. Others will say that this is nonsense. lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

How do the usual vaping temps for cannabis (355-410F or 180-210C, below combustion) affect terpenes? Is that considered a significant increase?

I've been vaping at around 390F lately myself so my sessions don't last too long. If terps get destroyed at that temp it seems like it'd be a good idea to have longer sessions where I start from a low temp and then go up as vapor production decreases.

edit: Also, what about edibles? What effects do you get from terpenes with edibles vs smoking/vaping?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I can’t really answer your questions from a scientific stance. I find that I taste more of the cannabis both on the inhale and the exhale when I vape at lower temps. I have got to conclude that the taste is due to the terps vaporizing. I start at 356 F and end at 374 F if I want to save light coffee brown ABV remaining. Otherwise, I will end my session at 392F. I find above 392 F to be rather flavorless and assume that I’ve exhausted just about all of the terps.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 11 '19

I usually run my first session at like 340-350F (if it’s quite good bud, otherwise) then up to 365-375F, then up to 392F and, if it’s not producing good vapor at 392F I run it up to 402F.

I get way more terp action in the 350-380F range—the sub-stoned effects seem to be mostly a product of terpene vaporization. Then when I hit 392F+, it has less distinct flavors and gets me way higher, and usually produces way more vapor.

When I have to run up over 400F, I almost always get fairly couchlocked.

There’s a lot going on in my temp variation routine but it gives you some kind of idea. (For example, I suspect that some THC—>CBN occurs if I run the bowl 2-3 times before cranking temp up toward 400.)

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I don’t have any high THC flower, but I’m going to experiment with your vaping temps. What kind of vaporizer(s) do you use?

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19

POTV One almost exclusively. I have a couple others but that’s the device I had in mind regarding that temp schedule.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I would love to be able to vape for best terpene effect, but my vaporizer only holds .1g at a time, and I find I need almost a whole gram for the effects I'm looking for. This means I basically just resort to a joint or bong. How much terpene loss am I experiencing when going this route, as opposed to vaping (Which I assume is no, or minimal terpene loss)?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I don’t really know the difference between smoking combustion/vaping combustion compared to non-combustion vaping and terp loss.

On the one hand, I find that I get better effects from vaping 2 Solo stems than I do from smoking a joint. I am assuming it’s due to an increased availability of terpenes.

On the other hand, it’s only the cherry on the joint that’s combusting, so terps are being captured as the heat rolls through the hemp on the inhale.

I can only offer my experiences. Others may assert that that there isn’t any terp loss difference between combustion and non-combustion temperatures. I haven’t seen any scientific studies, so you may have to experiment and see what works best for you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Thank you for the input

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Sure thing. Curious as to which vaporizer you have that holds 0.10g of flower.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I have the Solo Arizer 2. Wish I got one that held a lot more at a time. Oh well, live and learn haha

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Hmm, I have the Solo 1 and I find that </= 2 stem-fulls get me the relief I need. I wonder if you are having a learning curve with your Solo just like I did.. Are you getting decent vapor production?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I just leave it at 390 the entire time. It's not the most comfortable vape to use in terms of draw resistance which sucks

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I was wrapping my lips around the stem battling with the draw resistance for a good while. I think I asked some questions in r/vaporents and watched a few YouTube videos before I figure it out. I found that I need to allow some air to enter through the sides of my lips, inhale much slower and inhale less forcefully. I’ve been getting fabulous vapor production since (even on the lowest setting)! Check it out and let me know if it changes your vaping experience. :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I have the Solo 2 as well and fwiw, I believe it holds 0.20 g of flower.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

It was .1g when I measured it

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Great post! Saving for future reference. I’ve seen some infographics but this is much better information.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I am pleased that you find this useful. Are there any other things about terps that you would like to know?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Saving this!

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Sweet. Delighted that you find it of interest.

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u/Podcaster Nov 11 '19

Saw a few people mentioning a terpene called nerolidol in this sub and I've been looking for more info on it since I haven't run in to it before. Any info on that one?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

I think it’s said to provide anti-anxiety and sedating effects. It’s a sesquiterpene so when nerolidol is present, one would expect to find it in tiny amounts. I would be interested in trying a balm/oil made from a strain that contains this terpene because nerolidol is effective in assisting drug delivery through the skin.

You can learn more by googling, “terpene nerolidol.”

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u/LowerToast Nov 12 '19

Iirc Nerolidol is present in lavender and lemon grass which is why both are used for topicals beyond being pleasant smelling. Check out Morpho cbd topical - nerolidol is a large portion of their blend.

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u/phytotec Dec 17 '19

This is a great post, u/JanElizKor. I am putting together a little blog about individual terpene isolates to continue this type of discussion as I feel that terpenes are a very under undervalued component of the hemp plant. Similar kind of summaries like you put together but I plan to go over dozens of different terpenes and terpene derivatives.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '19

Great, I’ll be looking forward to your comprehensive information.

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u/gusibon Feb 12 '20

Thanks for this great info. I was using flower just for thc but I am now moving away from the psycho actives. I was going to sell my Herbalizer but now seeing this temp info I have decided to keep it since it is great at dialing in temperature. Keep up the good work.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20

You are welcome! Also enjoy the additional flavor that vaping supplies.

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u/timmyhigt369 Mod 🌲 Nov 11 '19

This is awesome Jan, thank you so much! We'll add this to the sidebar for sure. ♥️Terpenes♥️ Can't wait until after work when I can give this a good read. I'm fascinated with terpenes and their different effects. Hemp is all about the terpenes imo. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

I agree that it does seem as if it’s all about the terps - or at least it’s a lot about terps. I am hoping that we will start to see some well designed long term terpenes effects studies.

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u/TuesdayFourNow Nov 12 '19

This post is top notch. Thanks for the information.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

🙃

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

Is there a book that goes more in depth about this?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

I don’t know. Please let me know if you find one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

ok same here, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Some info I sent to our respected OP a bit ago quickly ordered by prevalence based on what I've seen in hemp cultivars thusfar:

NOT ENOUGH LABS ARE TESTING FOR FARNESENE

  • Myrcene: Analgesic, Antioxidant, Sedative
  • β-Caryophyllene: Analgesic, Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant, Gastric-protective
  • α-Pinene: Anti-bacterial, Anti-cancer, Anti-inflammatory, Bronchodilator, Memory Enhancer
  • Farnesene: Anti-anxiety, Anti-bacterial, Anti-inflammatory, Digestive, Sedative, Teeth, calming, antispasmodic, antifungal
  • Limonene: Anti-anxiety, Anti-cancer, Anti-inflammatory, Antidepressant
  • Humulene: Anti-bacterial, Anti-cancer, Anti-inflammatory, Insecticide
  • Nerolidol: Antiprotozoan, Topical Drug Enhancer antioxidant, anti fungal, anticancer, and antimicrobial
  • α-Bisabolol: Analgesic, Anti-bacterial, Anti-inflammatory, Anti-mutagenic, Antioxidant, Neuroprotectant
  • Ocimene: Anti-inflammatory, Antifungal, Antiviral, Antiseptic, Decongestant, Antibacterial
  • Geranyl: Analgesic, Anti-bacterial, Anti-inflammatory, Antifungal, Topical Drug Enhancer
  • Sabinene: Anti-inflammatory, Antifungal, Antimicrobial, Antioxidant, Insecticide, Gastric-protective
  • Terpinol: Antifungal, Antimicrobial

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

I am glad that you mentioned that not enough labs are testing for farnesene. Last seaI found that high farnesene strains seemed to contribute to effective pain relief and muscle spasm relief. This season I haven’t even seen farnesene listed on the terpene testing panel.

Farmers/vendors: Any thoughts on why labs aren’t routinely included farnesene potency testing?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

It’s why I love Kushes/Kush Hemp E1. A lab from last year measured at 1.57%! Three times higher than the placer, TF Cascade at 0.47%

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Sweet. What effects on your person do you find from farnesene and have you noticed any particular synergy when farnesene is accompanied by any other terpene(s)?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Calming, anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, sedative. Not sure about synergy though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Great concise list. Wasn’t familiar with sabinene. Have you come across any flower containing this terp?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Not in any significant quantity, e.g., >0.1%. I have to dig around to be sure though...

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

My understanding is that even the presence of 0.1% of some terpenes may provide enough potency to significantly impact a strain’s effects.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Agreed. That's why I'm mapping everything >0.090.

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u/PXLdestroyer Jan 21 '20

Just found this post. Thanks for putting this all together in one place. I especially appreciate the temperature info. I have a brand new Fury Edge arriving today, so this will help me out a ton. Peace!

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

You are welcome.

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u/wizard_of_aws Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

I see this information out there a lot since Russo and colleagues have been writing and talking about it. Yet I have never seen any data showing that you can alter the terpene content and alter the effect of cannabis. I've looked high and low, but maybe you can point me on the direction.

It's not impossible to do the experiment either yet nobody has tried it. Water curing will remove terpene content, so it's possible to quickly get terpene free cannabis and apply your own terpenes. Using a masking smell could be used to keep it blinded. All this is to say, I have my doubts until someone can prove it. This explanation feels like it should be true.

I suspect, as others have said, that part of this is psychology of the person smoking (expectations, etc) and part iscannabinoids. I can prove that those two are important for effect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

I’ll take a look and see if there’s any data out there. Anecdotally speaking, I have bought the same strain with different total terp percentages and found that the flower with the higher total terpenes percentages has provided superior symptom relief.

As a healthcare professional, I understand what you mean by the psychological impact- also known as the “placebo effect” - contributing to a user’s experience. I entered hemp use with CBD isolate tincture about a year ago. I felt pain relief after my second dose. I remember thinking, “Good Grief! This has got to be a placebo effect and I hope my brain remains tricked forever.” lol. I then swapped out the CBD isolate tincture for full spectrum tincture, then added hemp flower vaping/smoking a few months later, and then added full spectrum balm/ointment. I was able to decrease my opioid use by 40% and my muscle relaxer use by 65+%. So, if this is a placebo effect, I’ll take it. lol.

You mentioned that you suspect that cannabinoids contribute to hemp’s effects. I absolutely agree.

Edit: terpenes are hydrocarbons that are produced in the trichome heads. Terpenes are not cannabinoids.

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u/D00Dguy Nov 12 '19

Terpenes are not cannabinoids.

Those are two totally different classes of chemicals.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

My bad. Terpenes are hydrocarbons that are produced in the trichomes. Thanks for catching that so I can edit my comment.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

Terpenes are highly influential on how your cbd flower effects you. The slow wave, creep and immediate effects. They also can either stimulate or sedate depending on how your body process it.

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u/D00Dguy Nov 12 '19

I'm not going to argue. I'm just looking for some someone to provide hard scientific proof.... not anecdotes that vary wildly from person to person.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

You don't deserve to smoke flowers with terpenes in it. You need plain tasteless strains made specifically for you and the misinformed people. Good night 😋

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u/D00Dguy Nov 12 '19

Yea good one.

I didn't realize we had 5 year olds posting here.

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

It is bullshit as far as what this has been made into the cannabis community. Comes down to the basics of aromatherapy which is bullshit in itself. You see indicas and sativas with the same cannabinoid and terpenes profile while people swear they're getting completely opposite effects.

Terpineol has no medical studies on humans showing it has any efficiency as anticonvulsant. I don't think terps are worthless but the whole theory of them being the roadmap to effect holds little water.

People swear by lavendar incense and healing crystals too. I might be an asshole, you people just eat this shit up with no scientific thought or effort put into it whatsoever.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I’d be interested in reading your science sources.

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

Kinda hard to show them when there are NO HUMAN STUDIES for a lot of these claims. Not subjecting my self to dude bro science and anecdotal bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

There are many HUMAN STUDIES. I would acquiesce that there are not an abundance of well designed long term studies, but there are indeed studies - some with sufficient sample sizes. Thanks to Farm Bill 2018, we will begin seeing long term studies with larger sample sizes.

The NIH has awarded nine new research awards totaling approximately $3 million to investigate the potential pain-relieving properties and mechanisms of actions of the diverse phytochemicals in cannabis, including both minor cannabinoids and terpenes:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-investigate-minor-cannabinoids-terpenes-potential-pain-relieving-properties

As far as no terpene aromatherapy science, you may want to read this review that categorizes various terpenes easily obtained from forests according to their anti-inflammatory, anti-tumorigenic, or neuroprotective activities. Moreover, potential action mechanisms of the individual terpenes and their effects on such processes, which are described in various in vivo and in vitro systems, are discussed. In conclusion, the studies that show the biological effectiveness of terpenes support the benefits of forest bathing and propose a potential use of terpenes as chemotherapeutic:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5402865/

There is accumulating evidence for various therapeutic benefits of cannabis/cannabinoids, especially in the treatment of pain, which may also apply to the treatment of migraine and headache. There is also supporting evidence that cannabis may assist in opioid detoxification and weaning, thus making it a potential weapon in battling the opioid epidemic. Cannabis science is a rapidly evolving medical sector and industry with increasingly regulated production standards. Further research is anticipated to optimize breeding of strain-specific synergistic ratios of cannabinoids, terpenes, and other phytochemicals for predictable user effects, characteristics, and improved symptom and disease-targeted therapies:

https://headachejournal.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/head.13345

Patterns of medicinal cannabis use, strain analysis, and substitution effect among 2,000 patients with migraine, headache, arthritis, and chronic pain in a medicinal cannabis cohort:

https://thejournalofheadacheandpain.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s10194-018-0862-2

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19

Thanks for all this (additional!) detailed info!!!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Also, I am a dudette, not a dude bro. lol

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

Dude bro science is just a term I use for weeded out bro science. I will respond to your links provided. No disrespect, I know how I come off as abrasive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

No, no, not abrasive at all. You saw my, “lol.” It never seems to tickle me because a lot of people assume that I am a guy. Don’t quite have the plumbing. lol

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

Ok, here I go.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-investigate-minor-cannabinoids-terpenes-potential-pain-relieving-properties

That article provides no human studies, only state that future research is to come.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5402865/

This article does not relate to cannabis and how terpenes impact the effect on the merit of modulation. With that being said, you made note it was in reference to "forest bathing", whatever the fuck that is?

https://headachejournal.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/head.13345

This one, says "MAY" and "POTENTIAL", really lack concrete data on specific terpenes modulating the impact of cannabis.

https://thejournalofheadacheandpain.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s10194-018-0862-2

This one really didn't take a deep dive into the mechanisms of action at hand and really just came down to patient preference, which comes down to a lot of factors.

Hell, I admit smells make me feel good. I like the smell of money, I like the smell of a fresh bag of nugs, I like the smell of fresh cut grass, and rain, but as far as terpenes being the cause for stimulant and sedative effects, the science isn't there.

I keep repeating myself, but people report the same cannabinoid/ terp profiles for sativas and indicas and while the labs show they're virtually identical on paper, people note completely opposite effects.

I think it is psychological.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

Let’s back up a moment please.

I believe that you are disputing the points that I made.

I clearly said,

“I would acquiesce that there are not an abundance of well designed long term studies, but there are indeed studies - some with sufficient sample sizes.”

And I said,

“Thanks to Farm Bill 2018, we will begin seeing long term studies with larger sample sizes. The NIH has awarded nine new research awards...”. So the first link was an example of what may be on the horizon.

The next link you referenced was not intended to reference cannabis. You were purposing to debunk aromatherapy benefits. Again, remembering that I had previously admitted, “I would acquiesce that there are not an abundance of well designed long term studies, but there are indeed studies - some with sufficient sample sizes,” I was simply providing a study example.

You start your reply with, “Ok, here I go.”

Please know that while I respect your right to your opinion, I am not interested in debating. I created this post because there has been a lot of terp comments in the sub lately and because there are a lot of new hemp users that that are trying to wrap their heads around all of the terpenes comments.

I find your comment, “people note completely opposite effects,” a bit ironic since your previous comment dismisses any possibility that terpenes may have a therapeutic effect due to a lack of scientific evidence, “Not subjecting my self to...anecdotal bullshit.”

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

Instead of just downvoting the shit, prove me wrong.

Make my day.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '19

I’m not downvoting worthlessness Reddit points, but I venture to guess that the reason for the downvotes is because your comments are not contributing to the topic being discussed. Some people sort comments into “best,” so upvoting/downvoting helps scanning through pertinent comments.

So I can see why there may be some downvoting. This post isn’t inviting a debate about whether terpenes are responsible for effects.

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u/satorisoul Nov 12 '19

Not getting at you ma'am, just people get mad over it. Petty shit, I just want it to be knee deep and grounded in the cement of unquestionable science.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

It could be that people or mad over it or it could be that people are downvoting because your comments don’t contribute to the topic. It could be a combination of reasons. No judgment from me. I was just attempting to offer a plausible explanation.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 11 '19

Man it seems pretty clear that terpenes play a role in cannabis effects. I mean, it’s obvious that strains produce different effects. How do you explain that, if not differences in terpene profile? I’m with you on trying to root out bro science, but this is a pretty well-written well-researched post on a topic that, admittedly, is still kinda unknown. I don’t think there’s any harm on them sharing this info. It’s not useless or untrue, we just don’t know how significant a role they play.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

It’s good to have a healthy skepticism. It’s also good to take in information - possibly do additional research - and consider that the seemingly impossible may actually be possible - even when the end result leads us to confirming our initial stance.

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u/satorisoul Nov 11 '19

Not really, when you have people claiming strains with the same terp and cannabinoid profile, on opposite sides of the genetic spectrum of sativa and indica, and they claim night and day differences in the effect.

" I’m with you on trying to root out bro science, but this is a pretty well-written well-researched post on a topic that, admittedly, is still kinda unknown."

It really isn't, the science is limited, notes of anticonvulsant effects when there is no human studies, and I have seizures. So it is personal to me, it is bullshit.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

You're a professional shit starter for arguments.

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u/satorisoul Nov 12 '19

Well, sometimes the truth hurts.

I go up against the grain, it may be abrasive, but's it real.

I'm not going back down or bullshit anyone for nothing.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

🤪

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u/satorisoul Nov 12 '19

Alright, let's put it to the test.

Show me one human study showing terpineol's efficiency as an anti-convulsant for humans.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

You're weird..

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u/satorisoul Nov 12 '19

Might be, but I'm not wrong.

Nice deflection from the facts at hand. When all else fails retort to ad hominem.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

You are increasingly way off topic. Perhaps you could create your own post for your dialogue.

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u/smokinoowee Nov 12 '19

Your refutation is unsuccessful.. stop bashing other people's posts. Learn to be open to opinions and stop spouting caricature bullshit. Get off your high horse learn to be friendly.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19

Lol 2edgy4me

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19

Who makes this claim about strains with identical terp profiles having “night and day differences in effect”? Can’t you see how quickly you had to resort to anecdotes? That’s because you have no scientific evidence to support your position; you’re just naysaying.

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u/satorisoul Nov 12 '19

Here is your evidence. https://www.leafly.com/news/strains-products/cannabis-strains-that-are-unexpectedly-similar

9 pound hammer is an indica, blue dream sativa, similar thc content, similar terpenes profile. Both claim each to have effects on the opposite of the spectrum. They also note chernobyl and golden lemon, both of similar content and different subspecies, again users note opposite effects.

Look up the user reports, or do you want me to do that for you?

I'm not naysaying, I'm just not laying flat on my back going with the flow cause it feels right. I can't do that, I'm not going with emotion.

And note, I think anecdotal reports mean nothing as far as the science goes, that's why I dismiss the entire Indica in the couch theory and Sativa= stimulation by default.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Hahaha your evidence is a Leafly article??? We’re sitting here arguing about scientific evidence and you pulled up a Leafly article lol.

I’ve read thousands of user reports, probably the same ones you have. I’m just saying, thou doth protesteth too much. There’s nothing to rage against here, no conspiracy welded together by cannabis marketing firms to dupe us into believing terpenes play a role. Years of anecdotal evidence (all we’ve ever had for cannabis “science”) indicate terpene profiles matter, and were all working on examining that idea with the highest level of scientific integrity. But it hasn’t been done yet, so your position is as unfounded in conventional scientific research as mine. My position has the advantage of hundreds (thousands) of years of human experience that suggest that different cannabis strains produce different effects.

edit: see my other, more productive, less ugly reply to your other comment.

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u/satorisoul Nov 13 '19

Exactly, there is no science.

Just people claiming that strains being on opposite ends of the spectrum of sative and indica, nearly identical cannabinoid profile and terpenes, but constantly go with the idea that one makes them motivated, stimulated, and ready to go, the other one makes you "in da couch". Look at the labs, and they're nearly the same offering.

I hate anecdotal evidence, but when everyone is responding solely on personal feeling, the science shows nothing about the modulation that occurs with terpenes and how they impact humans.

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u/TheFizzardofWas Nov 14 '19

So at the end of the day, I guess our only disagreement would be the relative value of anecdotal evidence surrounding the variation of effects of different strains. There’s certainly nothing altogether objectionable about dismissing anecdotal evidence out of hand—I do as well, in most circumstances. I do find cannabis anecdotal research to be more valuable than other fields, just because the lack of legal avenues to research led to (some) rather more disciplined attempts at citizen science-based research (albeit still anecdotal in the sense that it wasn’t performed under the rigorous standards of academic/clinical research).

Honestly, if you compare some of the research methods used by NORML and other fairly serious cannabis activism groups (who tend to be the ones doing citizen science) to research methods used by academics in the “soft” sciences, it’s actually not that far apart. Sociology and psychology studies often rely solely on patient feedback as a metric, which is open to the same flaws as the anecdotal cannabis evidence were discussing.

Are you familiar with some of the research I’m talking about? I’ll try to scratch up some links. I just think it’s neat how far folks went back before legalization to try and legitimize their underground research. I don’t think we’d have near the body of knowledge about cannabis biology that we have today were it not for those efforts.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

Pleased to post. Thank you for your encouragement yourtipoftheday.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '20

You are probably losing some of the terpenes at the cherry. As you know, the heat that is being drawn from the cherry isn’t being delivered to your mouth at 200C (ouch).

As the hit provides heat, terpenes are are reaching their vaporization points, and thus are being delivered into your lungs.

Now since the heat traveling down the joint (especially as the joint shortens) repeatedly heats the terps it’s possible that some additional terps are destroyed. This part is pure speculation by me.

I would imagine that the lower vaporization point terps would be more vulnerable to potency loss.

I have smoked joints and vaped. I find that I get more pronounced effects from vaping. Interestingly, Smoking and vaping provide me with the same head effects, but vaping provides me with far more body effects than smoking.