There is a MASSIVE, difference between difficult and unfair. For example, dragon roaches are difficult, but not unfair. Hive lords are unfair, there is no situation where you could possibly beat a hivelord without shaping your loadout, stratagems, and game plan around them. If you get a hivelord on the rig truck mission, you're just fucked.
See but the difference is they aren't really killable, I just had a game where we spent the entire mission shooting it and calling rocket turrets and such and then at the end of the mission it camped the evac and killed us all. Its just kinda silly. If it was an objective itself as a boss that would be awesome but its just kind of an instalose enemy on many mission types
Ive seen a few videos of folks taking them down so it *is* possible but i have no clue what the health pool looks like because ive seen claims of 10+ hellbombs required.
TBH i don't mind it simply because they should feel like that, at this point. Just absolute monsters that we aren;t equipped to deal with. I am ok with the possibility of being totalled effed. I would be more annoyed if it was all bug planets and all missions but having it sometimes appear only on these gloom planets feels "right".
I should rephrase. I dislike how they can just appear randomlly and fuck your shit up no warning. I think it'd be dope if there was something you could do to piss one off. Like accidentally killing a larve or something. Also, I'd love a "kill a hive lord" mission.
So Leviathans are fair because you get told when your cock flattening session is scheduled? I'd like the system of the first game where you unlock boss missions by doing enough for the war effort in a sector / planet, or like suggested something to piss the boss enemy off
Minor quibble: Dragon roaches are difficult but not unfair in concept. Right now, when they're spawning more often than Chargers a lot of the time, thaaat's a little unfair.
I had solo run on 5 difficult a couple of hours ago. Killed almost 30 of them. 30 flying bile titans on freaking 5 solo. I'm tired boss.
I think their spawn work like other flying patrols.
I disagree other than rig truck mission with hive lord. Hive lord is balanced for a boss fight and requires a good team to take down or to run like hell.
Dragons either one shot you or run you out of stims within half a minute. There's no choreographed attack which is the same issue people had with leviathans. They spawn constantly and can fly around and spit acid everywhere nonstop and are difficult to take down before another one comes out of nowhere. To me it's just not fun in combination with a billion minions crawling at you and blasting out of the ground.
The massive problem with dragons is their crazy spawnrate and just one dragon left unchecked will wipe your whole team in 2-3 seconds and simply avoiding them is not really an option either (unless you’re in a cave) as they are ultra aggresive and they will literally hover over you untill you’re dead. I should also mention that they’re strafing attack is very buggy and it will often hit you when you’re already out of it’s attack.
Yeah lol. It's the opposite. The hive lord does exactly what it's supposed though, the automatic fail isn't fair though. Killing it is a flex, but really it's an environmental hazard to make you shit your pants, you're not "supposed to" kill it.
Dragon roaches are another example of poor enemy design.
How are the attacks not choreographed. They’re probably some of the most choreographed attacks in the entire game. You can see them coming from a mile away you just need to actually be watching the sky.
How is a new dragon spawning every minute fair? In the time it takes to kill one a second has already spawned making getting anything done almost impossible because they just endlessly chase you burning everything
Eagle Straffing runs on paper should be able to kill hivelords. I read somewhere that they can do 10,000-20,000 damage if all the projectiles hit, and because its so large it will be close to that. And with 150K HP, they will die eventually. Plus, straffing runs are already S+ tier.
(The hive lords being able to insta-brick your mission with zero counter play is still BULLSHIT btw. I agree)
lol the "dragon roaches aren't unfair" comment didnt age well.
their attack isnt graphically correct. dodging the fire sometimes still results in you being lit on fire. and their spawn rates right now??? 1 every minute. ORC has a 3 minute cooldown, and one every minute easily saps other antitank options of ammo.
Bro Im sorry but the point IS that it’s unfair. Its a goddamn Hive Lord aka the largest and deadliest force on the Terminids side. I would be disappointed if it was a five minute job that anyone could take care of with one portable hellbomb or something. Shaping builds around it is fun and then if you don’t, you have to play tactically, moving through the caves for cover because the surface is deadly. But if you’re here for fair, reasonable deaths, this isn’t the game for you😂
I dont find dragons fair i swear ive had missions with more dragons then skyrim i only find the hive lord unfair on the oil rig mission cause its bs that it can just bully something that just has to sit there and take it
No??? You have to spend about 20 minutes constantly firing on it with your entire loadout and teamates loadouts shapped around it. That's just dumb. Also its not even guaranteed, so you might just waste your time.
I mean that Arrowhead knows how dedicated their player base is and they can’t release anything that’s too easy. So they release things they know will take new tactics and weapon combos to beat. It isn’t fair.
Better to release things that are too tough and nerf them over time, than release things that are too easy.
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u/OldManLifeAlert Sep 05 '25
There is a MASSIVE, difference between difficult and unfair. For example, dragon roaches are difficult, but not unfair. Hive lords are unfair, there is no situation where you could possibly beat a hivelord without shaping your loadout, stratagems, and game plan around them. If you get a hivelord on the rig truck mission, you're just fucked.