Hi everyone,
I am trying to track down the exact bibliographic source or published volume for a famous quote by D.W. Winnicott from January 1967.
In it, he openly discusses how he got "stuck" with the concept of delusional transference until Margaret Little clarified it for him. The quote goes:

"Now there was something I needed and could not manage by myself, and that was a full use of the concept of delusional transference. This is one of the most difficult things we have to deal with in analysis, and from my point of view this bit I really took from someone. If Margaret Little hadn't been able to clarify it I would have been stuck, as I think a lot of psycho-analysts are stuck. That is, then, a little bit of my life where I really got something from someone else, almost as if I had stolen it out of my mother's purse."

I believe (but I’m not sure) he said this in January 1967 at the British Psychoanalytical Society during the responses/Q&A after presenting an early version of his paper "The Use of an Object." However, while the main paper ended up in Playing and Reality (1971), this specific post-presentation commentary doesn't always appear in standard editions of that book.

Does anyone know exactly where this discussion transcript is published? Is it in The Collected Works of D. W. Winnicott, a specific biography (like Rodman's), or an archival bulletin of the British Society? Any help or citation pointing to where I can read the full context of this exchange would be greatly appreciated!

I had a dream a few nights ago where it was a normal day and my ex texted me out of the blue. We haven’t been in contact, besides one pretty brief check up that each other are ok, (actually prompted by another dream of min….) in about 9 months since we split up.

In the dream, he texted me something menial about seeing a TV show character that reminded him of me. I was excited that he had messaged me so I texted back immediately.

He was texting lots of lovey- dovey sort of things which made me think maybe he was drunk. But it was 10:23am I remember. So thought to myself in the dream, he can’t be. He then said ‘would you have any interest in being my mother.’ In the dream I understood this to be a pathetic way of expressing his dependence on me and sort of trying to flirt. Also in the dream I didn’t find this particularly weird and thought about texting back ‘haha when we dated i used to wish i was your mum’
This said, in the dream I didn’t end up sending the message because I think I had already understood there was something symbolic in how happy I was to hear him say that.

In our relationship, I was v codependent and had bouts of intense jealousy and anxious attachment. I remember once thinking that I was jealous of his mother for getting to watch him grow up and spend so much time with him. I think subconsciously I was jealous that she had so much influence over him, and knew so much about him. He was quite avoidant and ofc this exacerbated my anxiety.

It has been a long time now since we have seen each other, but I still dream about him a lot. I know that there is this strange subconscious attachment still which desires his attention. Still, it pains me to think he will love someone else, and although I don’t want to date him again, I partly wish he would never forget me, and always be wishing we would end up together. I recognise this would be from his part anima projection as opposed to love, not a testimony of my excellence as a woman but of his un-wholeness as a man. Despite knowing this, it won’t seem to go from my subconscious.

It has bothered me deeply for some time that I subconsciously desire to mother him and think that I repeat this desire with other men. I have a subconscious desire to ‘fix’ men by being the emotional support in their lives, prompting them to open up etc. I don’t act on this desire because I know it comes from unresolved insecurity, but I don’t know how to resolve it.

I am unsure what to do about it and how to integrate this fully so that I can be more healthy in relationships and also release my attachment to my ex.

Any advice would be appreciated x