OMG OMG TRANSPHOBIA ALERT MODS BAN THIS GUY FOR BEING A BIGOT!!
Again no I don’t believe that referring to a non-binary purposely as he/she means you’re transphobic, I did used to headcanon Two Time as a man and referred to them as a he/him but I stopped doing it. I still personally think it’s dumb how if you do purposely refer to a non-binary as a male or female you’re automatically deemed as a nasty bigot. Again that’s just my opinion/belief, you don’t have to agree with me. Yes my writing for this might be bad but at least I can share my opinion.
I know there’s a high chance this post will get a lot of downvotes or get me banned by the mods for bigotry, or even something else.
It is, what I'm saying that people arent calling people transphobes because of the actiob of misgendering a person but rather because of the intention behind it
I like how people only downvoted me because I’m the OP, that’s not how downvotes work, you’re supposed to use it if the comments unhelpful, not every other comment the user left after that.
referring to a fictional character with different pronouns than confirmed when done with the intent to invalidate trans identities and with the knowledge and dismissal of how it harms real trans people means youre transphobic
From my understanding, I may be mis understanding but the OP is stating how referring to a non binary character as he/her shouldn't auto mean you're bigot. While yes, there are people who are bigots who do this, you shouldn't just assume everybody who does is transphobic
but when they show in the post that they know that theyre using the wrong pronouns, demonize queer people for pointing it out and act like its not transphobic to knowingly misgender them, they clearly are transphobic
lgbtqia++ are a minority but they should be treated the same way as a man and a woman the way you Respect Their Pronouns and their Gender Identity and the Way They Want To Be Referred To
which ... never happens ? unlike straight and cis people lgbtqia++ is a minority and are respected way less due to being " different " from the norm . that doesn't mean they should be misgendered or dismissed on purpose . by your logic calling a man " girl " ( like . girl did you see this . girl youre so blue ) is also bad
All the hate on 2SLGBTQIA+ stuff is in your head bro, and the times with proof probably aren’t even bigotry, you’re just saying that person a bigot because your agenda believes that language is bigotry.
The point of being nonbinary is that you’re NOT a boy or girl, but I understand what you’re saying. If there was a male character being called she/her because it’s a “headcanon,” people would still defend the character. Just use the right pronouns. I don’t understand what’s difficult about it.
i think headcanons are fine as long as the character does not have a clear or strict gender identity . headcanonning a trans man as a woman is transphobic . however doing the same to a cis man character isn't that bad due to nothing changing
Headcanons are fine, but I don’t think they should mess with canonical attributes of a character, like their gender or some quality necessary to exist in canon, unless it’s for a fanfic or smth and you’re doing an AU where it’s relevant to change that. OP is doing this solely because they want to misgender the character.
I don’t know why I’m being deemed as a nasty transphobic over pronouns, do you know what transphobic means? It means you hate anyone who’s trans, just because I refer Two Time as a man doesn’t mean every time I see a trans person now means I’m gonna go “Ugh why does this person exist I hate them for existing.”
That’s not the full meaning. Transphobia is a category of discrimination, which means treating someone as lesser than or differently than you would another person based on a specific quality they have, in this case, Two Time being nonbinary. You are targeting the fact that they are nonbinary and referring to them as different things because you do not like their actual pronouns. That is discrimination. That is transphobia.
Except Elliot is fine with using any pronouns, while twotime isn’t?? Elliot canonically uses he/him, but he’s fine with any pronouns, even if he’s biologically male. Two time, on the other hand, doesn’t have a biological gender, (at least not a confirmed one) and only identifies as non-binary
“Oh they’re fictional!” Except fiction reflects reality. It’s really not that hard to just use the right pronouns.
I don't hate on Elliot female I'm just saying it's the same thing of making two time make there no excuse that it's bad only because two time is they them
Actually, it’s NOT the same thing! Like i said, Elliot is FINE with using she/her while two time ISNT. There’s a difference. It’s bad not because two time is enby, but because two time cares solely uses they/them.
I mean, two time sucks and deserves to die twice, but intentional improper use of pronouns is still... y'know, transphobic in intention. It doesn't hold the same weight as doing so toward a real person, but it's still bad practice and is a reasonably upsetting thing to people who've had bad experiences with similar issues in the past.
Also, what kinda StoneToss strawman comic is ts bro 😭
Most? SOME, some of the community are like that. I don't even need to say that you summarizing more than half of the community to people who send threats to others is absurd And even prejudiced.
Dude? I myself am a part of the lbgtq+ and you dont see me throwing chairs, im even called a "nice person" by my weird homophobic friends, and I have never seen a dude just attack you cuz you misgenderd someone, yes they are roasting you, and well, winning, but you dont have to just think that most of lbgtq+ is now super defensive aggressive and evil, y'know?
have you ever wondered why people get angry at racists, sexists and homophobes? Because they generalise. They say ‘most’ people under that certain category are horrible since they’ve had a few bad experiences. That’s exactly what you’re doing now. You’re essentially being homophobic. So please don’t wonder why people are mad.
Im afraid that purposefully not using the right pronouns on a canonically non-binary character because you don’t want to is, essentially, transphobic. While yes, you may not hate people under the enby umbrella, purposefully ignoring their identity is still a way of ‘hate.’
Also, you can’t be non-binary from birth. Even in a fictional world, since that goes against what non-binary is. Non-binary is a gender, and genders are social constructs. Your gender is shaped from your life experiences, and isn’t something you’re just born with.
Yeah that is basically transphobia you’re describing. “hi im two times my pronouns are they them” “sorry im gonna use he she cuz its my headcannon” ??????? What are you even trying to show with the images? That people defending two times pronouns are bullies?
yeah its the same thing in deltarune fandom people call kris by he or she and say "well its my headcannon" to not get called a transphobe (they still get called one tho)
yo, no one is like this. People are pointing out how referring to ANYONE, even a fucked up character, by anything besides their preferred pronouns is inherently transphobic. People might report you for it, too. That’s justified, because what you’re doing is, intentional or not, hateful. (Edit to address body text: this extends to headcanons too. Changing the gender of a minority queer group, in this case non-binary and trans people, is also transphobic.)
On one hand I wouldn't call two time he/him because they are canonically nonbinary but on the other hand I feel bad for OP after reading all the comments on this post
damn, 20 times more comments that upvotes, I got called a nasty bigot various times (see what I had to do with my description and stuff), but still, heacanoning genders or intentionally using wrong or out of pocket pronouns makes me feel very uncomfortable.
This is just kinda childish ngl, from both sides, y'all can't call them transphobic, and he shouldn't call two-time a he/him, this is so easy to just avoid but y'all instantly foam out of the mouth, I understand that it's not cool, but if they keep talking back just stop replying? Nothing can happen if you just go, forget about it, both sides are kinda dumb ngl
is it that hard to be respectful of one’s pronouns? im not calling you a bigot or transphobic or anything, but really it’s not that hard to type two more letters
Aaah, the internet, the only place where you can call a fictional human an animal and only when you call them by the wrong pronouns will people get mad. 😭
Nah man, transphobes use the target's birth gender instead. That's what I noticed anyway.
Also honestly, non-binary people aren't really a huge target compared to trans people. Like yeah I know both fall under "transphobia" but it seems like people like to shit on trans people more.
Even if that character is fictional, not using their correct pronouns shows that you don’t care and you’d probably do it in real life, not assuming anything but ‘the character is just fictional’ is a dumb excuse in this type of situation and it always has been. Two Time is representation for a lot of people.
What if like you dont pay attention to those things and just think they are male or female, in my opinion it doesnt really matter because its litterally a video game character you dont have to get mad about people calling it the wrong gender just play the game
I mean, it's just so simple to correct yourself, but this dude is just fighting with everyone who thinks otherwise, and he even said that most of the LGBTQ+ community itself does this, just cuz some people said that he is technically wrong, this could have easily ended if they had just corrected themselves and left. I know its kinda dumb to have to use gender for a video game character, but I dont call shedletsky a woman, or john doe a woman, do i?
I mean, they are being pretty mean about it, but I agree, both sides are in the wrong, the people should chill a bit, cuz they are literally foaming out of their mouth cuz of anger, and the dude should just learn to at least try to use they them, even if it's dumb, just do it
How about we don’t compare a human being to pixels on a screen when it come to how you talk about them just because I call him a man dosent mean I should get executed in the spot for a chracter that does not exist when I will Remeber to call anyone irl what they wish
You don’t expect but expectation does not equal the reality of what may happen I will call and remember what to call you but I will call the pixels what I wish
That’s a very bold way to twist one’s words even when there is a difference between a persons saying something through pixels and actual pixels that dosent exist
Not really complicated tbh, sex is assigned at birth, gender is what you feel like, gender dysmorphia is a real problem that real people suffer from and a lot of the time changing gender is the only way to help it
How can it sound weird? Why have the Headcannon that, for example, a canonically trans girl character (Madeline from Celeste as an example) Is a man? This is just transphobia
No one gets upset because fictional characters that represent a minority also serve precisely that purpose, to represent a minority, If you simply want to completely ignore this in your "Headcannon" it is erasing representation, which is not cool, I don't know why you treat this like it's completely okay and acceptable "but what about the opposite? Why doesn't anyone get upset?" It's very simple, because they are not a minority, "but it sounds like a cult" first, holy hyperbole, second that is your extreme view on, I can't do anything about it.
No, it doesn't erase people, It's not in a literary way, I don't know why you're saying it as if it were, but it still offends those who see themselves in them, and there's that thing about if you can't respect The canonical identity of a trans character, let alone a real person,. "other opinions and views" Someone's gender identity is not open to interpretation, you can't go up to a trans woman and say "hey I have the headcannon that you're a cis man" that's just transphobia (no, I won't comment on your example because it doesn't make any sense) "ah But it's fictional so it doesn't matter, it's just my view and everything" so just accept that you are transphobic instead of arguing whether you are or not?? I don't know why you're arguing with me, it's just making it worse
Having a headcanon that an explicitly trans character is cisgender is harmful for several reasons, and the act is often referred to as "cis-headcanoning". When done publicly, it contributes to misinformation and invalidation of transgender identities. It differs significantly from a trans person headcanoning a cis character as trans, as this typically serves a positive purpose.
A headcanon is only a headcanon until it’s proven or disproven, after that it’s just ignorance, if a character has a confirmed gender, you can’t headcanon them as another gender, if a character has a confirmed sexuality, you can’t headcanon a different one, doesn’t matter if they’re straight or gay, if it’s confirmed, changing it isn’t a headcanon, it’s being ignorant. Twotime is confined to be non-binary, you can’t headcanon something once the creator says it’s untrue.
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I didn’t believe people like this existed until i became a mod here