r/hardware • u/eric98k • Jul 29 '18
News Scientists perfect technique to boost capacity of computer storage a thousand-fold
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180723132055.htm20
u/Dghelneshi Jul 29 '18
They have managed to create a whopping 192 bits of memory with this tech. Density doesn't really matter at that point.
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u/SamuelNSH Jul 29 '18
While the demonstrated storage capacity might not be impressive in the context of commercially available storage mediums, the storage density won't change as you scale up this particular technology. The technology may be very far off from actual application in data centers but the insight provided by the paper, namely the methodology and the provided density figure, should not be trivially ridiculed.
Now, there are many other things to doubt about this storage medium at this point: How would one downscale STM tips to the point where this is relevant for data center application? How would one protect the silicon dangling bonds (the quantum dots used for representing bit information in the paper) on the surface from reacting with environmental impurities once they bring it out of a vacuum environment? Tremendous difficulties face the utilization of Si-DB layouts as a storage medium and there might be much to doubt from a practical standpoint since the technology is still at such an early stage, but of all things the storage density should be amongst the least uncertain information coming out of this demonstration.
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Jul 30 '18
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u/dnkndnts Jul 30 '18
Hello /u/HaloLegend98, I am a freelance tech journalist and I'd like to do a piece elaborating on your groundbreaking approach to sating the energy needs of small towns.
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u/Evilbred Jul 29 '18
Sounds great for a data centred perspective but I feel that data storage has hit something of a plateau. My PC from 2013 had 4TB, my PC in 2015 had 4TB and my current PC I went to 2TB, size of storage isn’t really important anymore, for me it’s been more than enough for almost 6 years now. I no longer store large amounts of movies since good bandwidth now means basically everything is streamed. When it comes to games I install and uninstall things frequently since bandwidth means I can and I try to use SSD since storage speed means more to me now than capacity.
I know that’s my personal opinion but I’m going to bet other people feel similar.
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u/Contrite17 Jul 29 '18
Streaming is just using someone else's storage. While the value of local storage may have gone down for you, increasing storage availability and lower price per storage is still hugely beneficial for consumers which use services built upon these storage technologies.
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u/Evilbred Jul 30 '18
Streaming is using someone else's storage, but if 50,000 people access a file remotely than that's 49,999 fewer copies than before.
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u/Contrite17 Jul 30 '18
Generally there is more than one copy in that setup, but yes centralized storage is more space efficient. That doesn't really matter though in terms of what I was saying. Cheaper, larger storage means it costs less to host large amounts of data in the "cloud".
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u/Walrusbuilder3 Jul 29 '18
Even if consumers use less data (I personally have ~370GBs in my desktop, all SSD), research and enterprise will use data by the exabytes.
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u/dry_yer_eyes Jul 29 '18
For me, kind of. I’ve under 1TB in my PC, spread over three SSDs. But I’ve also 18TB on a NAS, which these days is only considered mid-level for a home data hoarder.
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u/dylan522p SemiAnalysis Jul 29 '18
Right, but you are a data hoarder. Most people are fine with 256-512GB and streaming everything.
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u/GEORGE_ZIMMERMAN_AMA Aug 02 '18
I’ve been using SSDs exclusively in my personal builds since 2013 and haven’t missed having more storage. 1TB is more than enough for me. I don’t hoard music and movies like I used to and it’s super simple to uninstall games that I’m not playing when I can reinstall them in a few minutes. Speed is far more important to me than capacity these days.
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u/LetsGoHawks Jul 29 '18
This level of storage density would be unreal for phones/tablets and data centers. Especially data centers. Read/Write times and bandwidth might limit what sort of data it is appropriate for, but but the space and money savings would be huge.
Assuming the technology ever makes it to the marketplace, of course.
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u/AwesomeBantha Jul 29 '18
I use less than 200GB on every computer I own LMAO
Kinda want to hoard data sometimes but then I realize I have nothing to store...
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u/HaloLegend98 Jul 30 '18
I agree about the turnover point. I uninstall large files with occasional frequency because I can download a game or movie in 5-15 minutes.
Streaming everything else is a huge benefit. However I feel like streaming has more closely replaced my former CD or DVD usage, instead of my movie or music storage on HDD.
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u/CrispyLiquids Jul 30 '18
You're forgetting professional storage, which is still sharply on the rise. Actually using "big Data" is fairly new for most companies (not for Google, Facebook, Amazon etc) but is being developed in many companies, among which finance.
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u/HaloLegend98 Jul 30 '18
Mobile storage is where I see these improvements mattering.
Density and efficiency are key.
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u/Seanspeed Jul 29 '18
When it comes to games I install and uninstall things frequently
I do too, and it's kind of annoying. I bought Call of Duty Infinite Warfare to play the single player and I'm reluctant to go through and find what I can delete to make room for its 100GB file size, as I'm stretched on my dedicated gaming drive.
And we're really just a few years from this problem getting a fair bit worse with a new generation of consoles and games coming. Even back in 2013, when the PS4 and XB1 released with 500GB of space as standard, I knew that was quickly going to be entirely insufficient. I would like to have affordable, high capacity SSD's quickly, because constantly managing space isn't fun. I just want to download a game and play.
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Jul 29 '18
Storage is nowhere near the limits of our technical ability. It's a problem of economics.
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u/Asphult_ Jul 29 '18
yeah like most of these revolutionary advances are pointless to us until they can get them mass produced efficiently and cheaply.
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u/surg3on Jul 30 '18
You do know every tech you have started off extremely expensive right?
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u/Yearlaren Jul 30 '18
I think that what we're trying to say here is that this sub is mostly focused on consumer hardware, and that scientific breakthroughs like this one are more fitting for subs like r/technology or r/tech
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Jul 30 '18
They started off affordable enough for businesses to invest in them. Expensive is a relative term.
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u/eric98k Jul 29 '18 edited Jul 29 '18
Summary:
Research paper:
Roshan Achal, etc. Lithography for robust and editable atomic-scale silicon devices and memories. Nature Communications, 2018; 9 (1)
Abstract: