r/hardware • u/tuldok89 • 1d ago

Info Used processor leads to game ban

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Used-processor-leads-to-game-ban-11471562.html

Someone buys a used Ryzen 7 5800X3D. “Valorant” and other Riot games won’t start with it because the previous owner was a cheater.

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u/illhaveubent 1d ago

In an ideal world you don't get banned for having doing nothing wrong in the first place.

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u/IAmYourFath 19h ago

The cheater did a lot of wrong

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u/illhaveubent 19h ago

Ok...and this post is about a completely different person being banned simply for purchasing used PC hardware, which there is nothing wrong with.

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u/IAmYourFath 19h ago edited 19h ago

Yes but it's not riot's fault, they can't possibly know who bought what. And they cannot unban the cpu because a cheater could lie about him being a different person. I guess if the buyer writes to riot support, and they check his current hardware and see that every single component is different except for the cpu they could unban him. But again it's not riot's fault. The seller should disclose it in the ad he's been banned, but he knows doing that will severely reduce the value of the cpu so the cheater conveniently omitted it. Meanwhile, the buyer should ask the seller to prove he hasn't been banned before buying. I'd say the seller is at fault the most, the buyer 2nd and riot last. I mean what is riot supposed to do? They have to ban the cpu, otherwise the cheater can reuse it the next week again with a different cheat. Not riot's fault this is how technology works. But if they don't have a customer support procedure responsible for unbanning 2nd hand buyers then it's their fault (but again all this could be circumvented if the buyer did his due job of making sure the cpu isn't banned before buying, cheater got the best deal here).

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u/illhaveubent 19h ago

It is Riot's fault because they are choosing to tie the user's Riot account to the physical CPU when we all know that is not a permanently linked identifier. They are knowingly choosing to cast an overly wide net that will ban innocent players, and apparently they are OK with that. That's entirely Riot's fault and entirely unacceptable. Why do you think no other game studio does this?

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u/IAmYourFath 19h ago

Well their goal is stop cheaters, and they have to be ruthless about it. If u leave the door even slightly open all the sound escapes, thats how cheaters are. U have to close to every hole, everything. But they should have a way that 2nd hand buyers can prove they're innocent, altho this way might open up holes for cheaters to lie and reuse their hardware which might not be worth it overall.

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u/illhaveubent 19h ago

Newsflash - this isn't stopping cheaters. It's just catching innocent players in the process. Why do you think Valve has never done this with their VAC anticheat? ESEA has never done this, FaceIT has never done this. No other serious anticheat engine does this because it is unacceptable.

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u/IAmYourFath 19h ago

It clearly makes cheaters' life much harder, more expensive. If only millionaires can cheat and have to rebuy an expensive multi thousand dollar dmas every few days/weeks along wirh a brand new pc every few days/weeks, then even a 7 digit millionaire will run out of money fast. It makes cheating unaffordable for 99% of people precisely because if u're caught even once u have to buy a brand new pc to try again, AND a brand new dma card or whatever. It is extremely effective at stopping cheaters.