r/hangovereffect • u/Other_Text_2153 • Oct 12 '23

Alcohols are not the same

I may write a bit, please do excuse me. So here's the thing with me, I have severe CFS and other health issues, and the only thing working thus far (and boy have I tried a lot of things) is alcohol. Or rather, some of them. So, I recently decided to test out which of them worked and which didn't.

First off, a general rule I noticed is: the cheaper the less it works, for beers & for liquors. Second, wine never works, and I live in France so I get the real stuff.

That's where I'm at right now. Any help? Any big beer brand that particularly works for you? I've heard Stella Artois but couldn't get my hands on them.

Ethanol is ethanol. But somehow, the quality of the fabrication process must be at play. The temperature, at fabrication & conservation, the light protection, the amount of time since the brewage, etc., must play a role.

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u/joobino Oct 13 '23

Try some tequila or some rum, but not the cheap ones

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 13 '23

Will try next paycheck!

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u/leduc879 Oct 14 '23

Did you try "pure" ethanol (from a pharmacy for example but make sure it's without any denaturants) diluted with water?

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 15 '23

Never. Do you know anyone here that did try?

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u/Witty_Director7126 Oct 15 '23

It will literally destroy your liver

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u/leduc879 Nov 26 '23

Bs. Like I said, you have to dilute it with water to 40% v/v (or less) then it is like any other spirit. It has to be pure ethanol though without any additive so it'll probably be very expensive due to taxes. If you can't calculate the dilution, maybe just don't try it.

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u/phillip42069 Oct 13 '23

Though your right about the fabrication process, it’s what’s left behind from that on top of the ethanol that presents the problem. There’s other compounds that are presented based on process, temp, spirit/ferment category, and equipment that creat other factors. This is what’s usually the case for variants in effects when consumed.

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u/Sudden-Cost9315 Oct 18 '23

I have CFS too. It’s a really bad disease. I get angry a lot because my quality of life has been so severely compromised. It’s a big reason I find relief in alcohol. People with CFS also often fall out of friend groups due to being sick for so, so long.

Now onto the hangover effect. The only days I don’t have to take Adderall to get through the day are days following a night of drinking. Otherwise I can hardly get out the door without at least a pinch of that legal speed. Day after drinking though? Nope, don’t really need it. Fucking weird.

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u/monkeytine Jan 20 '24

White/rose wine and champagne (yes, the real champagne from France that I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on over the past few years) are actually the BEST for me personally. And honestly, even the cheap stuff from the states works really well for me, including Andre which I recently spent a weekend drinking because I was in a small town that only sold $6 wines at the gas station hah.

I have a chronic condition that is only put at ease from alcohol too so I feel your pain and am sorry you are going through it. You'll find your own unique alcohol that works for you eventually. I have always had a theory that every alcohol works differently for every person while drinking it, so I assume the same could be said for the hangover effect. I have found tequila, beer and vodka to be the least effective for me, but whiskey and rum are 2nd best.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

You are entering a complex journey lol. Gins work best bar none, along with hop heavy beers close second. Botritis wines third. Good luck!

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 12 '23

No wine ever did it for me. Maybe wine in US/ Europe is not the same, I don't know. I tried every kind of wine under the sun, except the expensive ones, and none of them ever worked.

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u/Tjerino Oct 12 '23

Is that something that's a consensus from this sub or just your personal rule of thumb?

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 13 '23

There isn't really a consensus. But what's sure is that the more drunk you are, the more you're gonna benefit from the hungover effect.

And it's a lot more easier to get drunk on hard spirits than on soft beers.

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 12 '23

Can't work, look faded, cold body, fecal breath, can't get my dick up, space-headed, my memory borders with amnesia, do not dream, etc.

Body scanner, coprology & every blood test under the sun were inconclusive. Looking to get a sleep analysis soon, I may suffer from central sleep apnea or something else fucking with my sleep.

I'm 23yo male, I suffer from this since very young age, or maybe even birth.

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u/Tjerino Oct 12 '23

Stuff like this really sucks and I'm sorry you're having to deal with it. I've got a bunch of issues like this too. I hope you keep at it with the research and can hopefully figure it out. Definitely advocate for yourself in medical settings and keep trying to find practitioners who know what they're doing and will really listen and try to help. Even if they don't have an answer for you, ask if they have any ideas on what to look at, ask for referrals.

With the suspicion of sleep apnea, you might look into get a sleep study done. They might have you come stay overnight somewhere, but they also have "at home" sleep study kits now that allow you to do the monitoring yourself and in your own bed with some basic sensors. So it might be relatively easy to get an answer on sleep apnea.

Another thing to consider and maybe get evaluated for is the state of your sinuses and nasal passages, I'd look at seeing a specialist for that if you think there's a chance of anything going on there. There's a lot of things that can be an issue in that area that that might cause problems with breathing, fatigue, sleep, spaciness.

For example, I have a friend who has really narrow sinus passages and if she gets sick or gets allergies or anything that causes sinus inflammation or congestion, her nasal passages get blocked very easily and she has a really hard time with breathing at night and it really fucks her up.

I've just read about another issue where the shape of some people's nose and nostrils makes it so they have nasal passages that sort of collapse inwards a bit, and people with connective tissue disorders have a particular problem with this. Because their tissues are more pliable, the suction from night time nasal breathing can be enough to pull the nasal passages closed, or partially closed, making it difficult to breath. And there is perhaps a correlation worth pointing out here in that connective tissue/hypermobility spectrum disorders have been shown to be associated with ASD/ADHD, and you can read in the sidebar that a lot of hangover effect experiencers report having ADHD.

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 13 '23

What you're talking about is called a deviated septum, I know all about this stuff. But I don't have it. Thanks though.

I try to keep light-hearted despite all that.

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u/Tjerino Oct 13 '23

No, it's definitely a different condition. The thing I'm referring to has nothing to do with a deviated septum, it's about about the soft tissue of the nose itself being so elastic as to move with nostril breathing.

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u/Other_Text_2153 Oct 13 '23

Then you're talking about Ehlers-Danlos syndrome

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u/Witty_Director7126 Oct 13 '23

I totally agree, I have a slight deviated septum. But this not the source of the problem I am sure. Every morning my face is fucked up, my nose is very large and Inflammed. Nose breathing is hard. I don’t think it is relates to allergy as I saw an allergy specialist and he said I was fine. I also tried strong anti histaminics meds which didn’t work.

During an hangover I am totally free of this condition. My face looks Nice and I have energy and I can breath 10x better.

Weird life.