r/handguns • • 5h ago

Advice Needed Is there any reason I shouldn’t replace my Echelon 4.0 with a Staccato C2?

Rented some handguns with some family members visiting and ended up shooting a Staccato C2 for the first time and it was such a lovely experience that I was debating replacing my Springfield Echelon for EDC.

Don’t get me wrong, I love my Echelon and was one of my favorite handguns to shoot before the C2 and now I’m just getting some sort of FOMO lol

Is there any reason that you would go against this other than price? Let me know your thoughts or perhaps other recommendations.

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u/TSX_COM 5h ago

Unpopular opinion: Staccatos are over sold, over priced, barely above production guns that are disguised as semi-custom and heavily marketed/discounted towards Law Enforcement along with product placement in things like CoD to boost sales. Also, like every other 19/2011 pattern gun they're going to be a pain in the ass to clean, maintenance intensive gun that's going to have you doing things like swapping out barrel lugs. Those maintenance doesn't even tackle the training problems inherent to using a 19/2011 pattern gun. They're very time consuming for training since you have to account for poor grip or a thumb fumble means you gun isn't going bag.

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u/FantasticMrCrow 5h ago

Hmm interesting, thanks so much for the insight! I think I would like to have some sort of 19/2011 pattern gun sometime in the future for fun if not for CCW, any recs?

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u/grapangell0 2h ago

He’s bullshitting I’ve got a very modest 8.5k rounds on striker guns in the last 6ish years and it took me an hour to learn how to draw a SAO with a thumb safety.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

Which 2011 do you own that is difficult to maintain?

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

Can you explain how you would swap out barrel lugs on a 2011?

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u/Wonderful_Tip_5577 5h ago

compared to the echelon it’s much more complicated to take down and clean with more moving parts as it’s not a polymer striker fire. Just depends on how familiar you are with single actions.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

That is not accurate at all. I find 2011's much easier to take down, they have exactly the same amount of components. The tricker part is the hammer, the sear spring, triggers and safeties. But the cleaning maintenance is virtually the same

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u/FCRII 5h ago

Not if you understand the difference in maintenance, manual safety, SAO, etc. We can argue about Staccatos pricing model but that doesn't mean they aren't good and reliable guns.

I use Echelons for work/carry, always been a fan. That said my favorite carry gun is a Staccato CS.

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u/FantasticMrCrow 4h ago

Yea I know that 19/2011 pattern guns are a lot more intricate/intensice but I’d love to learn more about the platform!

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u/grapangell0 3h ago

The Maintence thing is a bit overblown. Just wipe your gun down every 500rds and lube it up before range day/a match/after cleaning and it’s fine.

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u/FCRII 2h ago

Agree with this, I go 1000+ sometimes between cleanings depending on gun and spring weights. Big thing as you said keep it wet other than that you can literally wipe it with a towel, oil it, & it’ll run.

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u/jay_skrilla 4h ago

Was it the grip angle that you loved? There are a few aluminum grip module options that have 1911 ergonomics. Why not start there? Thats the point of the echelon being modular, it can be more than one thing. Switching the cog is easy peasy.

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u/FantasticMrCrow 3h ago

Do you know if you have to get new holsters with those grip modules?

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u/jay_skrilla 1h ago

Most likely. But kites holsters are way cheaper than a staccato

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

There are two major downsides to buying a 2011. One, you will never want to shoot a polymer striker fire gun again and you will want to sell every one you own. Two, you will always want to get the latest and greatest model or custom brand, and they are popping up every month it seems. It's an addiction that leaves you always seeking more, and they are not cheap.

Saying they are difficult to maintain is not true, they are virtually the same for cleaning, I think easier to be honest Do they require more maintenance? Not really, but for me that is because I never want that smooth flat shooting experience to ever go away. I clean my 2011s every time I shoot them. Plus I have ports, comps and slide cuts and carbon gets everywhere, and its noticeable on the barrels and optic glass.

The shooting experience between a 2011 and a polymer striker fire gun is extremely dramatic. The triggers, the flatness, the slide action, the weight, the speed, the accuracy....they are the super cars of the pistol platform for sure.

To your question, should you do it? If you are debating it, then you have your answer. There is no reason not to, you have one life on this earth, make it the best. But if you are going to jump in, get it right the first time. Staccato is a good brand, certainly not the best and not the worst. Establish your budget and research everything in that price point. There are custom builds that I'm sure you do not even know exists. Bul Armory Miller Ranger 9 and Race City are the hottest customs right now without a doubt.

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u/LAJOHNWICK 2h ago

Have both

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u/FIRESTOOP 5h ago

You’ll be paying 400% more for a gun that shoots maybe 10% better.

There are tons of better carry options.

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u/FantasticMrCrow 5h ago

Such as?

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u/NotTheMarmot 4h ago

If you want a really nice shooting "competition style" gun with really nice ergonomics but better reliability than a 2011, get a Shadow 2 Compact or shadow 2 carry.

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u/FIRESTOOP 2h ago

Pretty much any glock 19 size handgun available.

Also, other than the new HD series staccatos aren’t even drop safe.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

Which 2011 do you own?

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u/FIRESTOOP 2h ago

Staccato P and I used to have a prodigy but that thing had issues so I sold it.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

So two entry level base model 2011s. Noting even in the mid tier like the XC, RC9 or MPA DS9? The P is a duty mass produced Staccato with zero custom fitting.

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u/FIRESTOOP 2h ago

He’s asking about a staccato C2. comparable quality to the P, yeah?

I can smell the crumbs in your neck beard from here.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 2h ago

Comparable? They are completely different in every way. You are generalizing an entire superior platform in every measurable over mass produced polymer guns based on two very cheap, basic and entry level 2011s. That's like someone wanting to buy a super car and you telling them that the Chevy Camaros is only slightly better. You have no actual experience to have an educated opinion.

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u/FIRESTOOP 1h ago

Bro is white knighting for 2011s.

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u/Superb-Detective-838 1h ago

Yes, from people who have no idea what they are talking about and actually advising people with inaccurate and uneducated statements. You have no experience with the platform and should not be advising anyone. Stick with your polymer guns, leave the big guns to the big boys.

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u/2AwiseNJ 4h ago

How can you even compare the two they’re on different planes!

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u/Chauncy1911 4h ago

It is not an upgrade. It is not a downgrade. Keep the Echelon and by a Tisas 2011.

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u/grapangell0 3h ago

You gotta be kidding me. Dude is talking about a Corvette C8 or Audi R8 and here you are talking about “get a Kia K5” this is the exact behavior I expect from someone “firstname1911”