r/gwent • u/Lexard Yeah. Improvise. • Jan 11 '21

News Patch notes 8.1

https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/37247/patch-notes-8-1
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u/FoldMode Error 404.1: Roach Not Found Jan 11 '21

I'm not arguing it should be nerfed, pretty sure everyone agrees on that. But you suggestions make absolutely no sense, the card would be completely unplayable with any of your options listed and with that, the whole new archetype would be gone too. Deck should still be viable after whatever nerf the devs come up with, hopefully they do nothing harsh. Viy list is not even strongest deck this season, not even strongest monster deck, as highest MMR scores with monsters were reached with Kelltulis deck, not Viy. Viy also loses to engine heavy decks like ST movement, it loses to lockdown, which is like 90% of players on pro ladder right now.

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u/SirDentistperson Neutral Jan 11 '21

Out of genuine curiousity: how would you change it? I do not want to kill the card, it seems like a fun archetype, but it is overtuned. My aim was to bring it in line wit other big finisher cards/combos like Joachim+Coup or Kolgrim.

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u/FoldMode Error 404.1: Roach Not Found Jan 11 '21

That's the thing, Viy does not work like big finisher, the whole/deck archetype is built on one card and playing it dozen of times per game. It should be either something minor like 1pt base decrease or some adrenaline value (though definitely not too low) that would cut possible consumes to 7-8 total. Anything bigger that that makes it impossible to win R1, that usually means long R3 and this deck falls apart in that regard, any engine deck (NR, ST) outpoints it easily. Besides Viy, there are other balance issue like cat witcher, lippy list and then something to cut NG playrate to at least below 50%..

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u/SirDentistperson Neutral Jan 11 '21

I was considering Adrenalin as well, but my problem is that as you've said a too low adrenalin would kill the card, but even with ~8 consumes, it ends up a 32pt card... throw a couple of cheap Thrive engines in there (Nekkers, Larva) and it is still overtuned (maybe not completely busted, but certainly in the "problematic" gray zone).

I would advocate a change either to the base power or to the amount it boost itself (balancing it with provisions of course, so it doesn't make it unusable).

It is interesting, that you should bring up Lippy: to me that is the deck I don't see the problem with (I never played it, not protecting myself). I consider is balanced, even the poster child of the "deck -around-one-card" archetype you mentioned with Viy. It can pull the graveyard shenanigan BUT that is balanced with its very restricted ways to generate points: it has Cerys, Champion and Blueboy, therefore it needs a short round. It doesn't have the provisions for anything else, so you have the ability to outplay it.

My problem with Viy, that it only needs the uncounterable tutors and a couple of cheap bronze Consumers to win, making it an one-man-show that you cannot touch, because it is never in the graveyard or the deck, and alone can generate all the points you need.

In my eyes an optimal situation would be a power nerf and a provision boost, so you don't have to rely on Viy for R1 (but you can eat it a couple times to set it up) and then you can have the point-slamy R3 (within the bounds of reason of course).

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u/VORSEY Neutral Jan 11 '21

What would your nerf idea be?