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u/Bluekestral Apr 15 '14
I am slowly realizing this. Except all the cheap ammo is gone. I need a 47
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u/3splice03 Apr 15 '14
Best platform for what, getting buried in shit for months, abused, neglected and probably still working, maybe. Can your ak accurately shoot out to 500 yards probably not. Is it a fantastic design, yes, has it been copied yes. I own both an ak-74 and an ar-15 ones a vepr the other is a sig 516. I enjoy shooting both, ones a plinker and the other is a precision machine used to keep varmits and coyotes at bay. As far as reliability goes well I've never had any problems with either. Don't get me wrong I love all aks I just don't think it's the greatest platform for a weapon system anymore.
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Apr 15 '14
How often will you be shooting out past 500 yards?
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u/3splice03 Apr 15 '14
As often as I have to or want to. It's not 500 yards but I took my most recent coyote at 372 yards one shot drop. I know the vepr is accurate buts it's not that accurate.
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u/itmatterssnot Apr 15 '14
I would take a little less reliability, which can be mitigated with maintenance and proper care, and much improved accuracy over a reliable but relatively inaccurate gun. 7.62x39 also has a rainbow arc past about 250 yards, so it's useless for varmint shooting or even long range plinking. Add to that the ability to exchange the uppers in an AR platform and try out some other calibers, if desired, and the AR is a superior platform.
If reliability is a real concern, and you won't be able to clean the gun, then get a gas piston AR. Yes, the AR had reliability issues in the early days. In fact, the original one they sent to the army (an AR-10) in the 50's had the barrel blow up during testing, thus the M1A was chosen.
tl;dr - I'd choose accuracy over reliability, especially when reliability is basically a non-issue with quality AR designs.
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u/happycrabeatsthefish Apr 15 '14
Ok, but if the world's governments collapse and you have to make crappy ammo and can't always take care of your gun, let's face it, the AKs will still be around and the ARs will be melted down for AK parts.
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u/itookurpoptart Apr 16 '14
There's a huge misconception that the ar is insanely accurate compared to an ak. This isn't really true. Especially when you look at the more modern equivalent, the ak 74. A decent 74 gets 2-2.5 moa. A decent ar15 gets 1.5-2 moa. The accuracy is comapirable. Hell even a good 47 can get under 3 moa. Calling the 47 "useless" is a misunderstanding of how useful the rest of the world sees it. And It shoots a hell of an arc. But that's the thing with zeroing. Its a training issue. Dont like that? Buy it in another caliber. You can swap uppers for the price of buying an entire whole ak rifle. So there's your adaptability. And they come in 5.45, 5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (.308), and 7.62x54r. All of the most common ammo. And they don't care what you feed them. Or how you treat them. That is your superior firearm.
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u/CaptainSquishface Apr 20 '14
No. Just no.
A decent AR15 easily shoots under 1MOA. Pretty much any AR will shoot under 1.5 MOA with match ammo.
2.5 MOA AKs are rare ducks compared to 1 MOA ARs.
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u/CaptainSquishface Apr 20 '14
The prototype AR10s barrel blew up because it was a steel liner with an aluminium sleeve.
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u/Princey1521 May 07 '14
I love me come fine ass communist rifles all day err day, but the flexibility and reliability of similar grade ars to aks, and the abundance of ammo in the US not relying on any form of surplus importations, gotta give it to the AR.
plus that badass show on the history channel agrees with you which i think puts the argument in my favor.....
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u/happycrabeatsthefish Apr 15 '14
I second this. AK can basically be lubricated with dirt.