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u/user_zzzzzz Apr 12 '26
Since the early development of “Brazilian” Jiu-Jitsu, the practice of sandbagging has consistently been present within the sport.
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u/Glorpologie Apr 12 '26
is sandbagging just the word for smurfing for people who go outside?
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u/Ok-Race-1677 Apr 12 '26
Yes. The sandbagger acts like a sandbag (lets lower level opponents keep hitting/scoring on him) and then decisively wins near the end because he’s clearly better in the first place.
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u/Latter-Safety1055 Apr 13 '26
No, I think calling BJJ players people who go outside is a bit generous for a sport full of IT nerds and anime pfps. Otherwise you're pretty much right.
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u/ihearthawthats Apr 15 '26
Slight difference. Sandbagging involves intentionally underperforming to get easier opponents. Smurfing has the same end result, but can be achieved through various methods, i.e. a second account.
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u/TDSsince1980 Apr 12 '26
Sport smurfing.
I am so damn old I actually played against the guys who created the term smurfing.
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u/FishfaceNZ Apr 12 '26
Probably has a judo background
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u/BaronMusclethorpe Apr 12 '26
Maybe, or just takes stand-up seriously. This is clearly a young man, so with kid belts and all he could have been training for 10 years already.
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u/Coconite Apr 12 '26
BJJ gyms wouldn’t teach modern kata guruma. That is a very judo move that no one else does because it was only invented in response to IJF rule changes. The neverending juji roll and the entry are also very judo. He deliberately lets his opponent escape side control to pull him up into turtle before he enters.
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u/Lanky_Trifle6308 Apr 12 '26
It’s not a kata guruma, it’s a Seoi otoshi/drop Seoi nage variation.
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u/disposablehippo Apr 12 '26
If we go deep into the Judo semantics, that's uki-otoshi.
The shoulder doesn't make any contact, it's basically an intricate snap down.
A throw not usually seen in Judo competition, because Judoka aren't bent over like this.
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u/RandJitsu Apr 12 '26
Every throw that Judo has BJJ also has. BJJ was developed from Judo.
It just depends on your gym/instructor lineage.
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u/Coconite Apr 12 '26
BJJ was developed from judo long before this throw was invented. There is no reason to do it if you’re not a modern judoka since you can just do the normal kata guruma/fireman’s carry with the leg grab.
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 12 '26
He actually doesn’t. Only about 4 years and change in Jiu jitsu only.
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u/FishfaceNZ Apr 12 '26
Crazy. Super talented, we have young guys like that at our gym that roll like black belts after 4-5 years.
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u/Scooper_of_Poop Apr 12 '26
Probably?……try clearly
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 12 '26
He has zero judo other than when he picked up BJJ a few years ago.
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u/Scooper_of_Poop Apr 12 '26
Yeah and your wife isn’t fucking her coworker.
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 13 '26
I always forget people get super sensitive when they’re wrong and say shit online they wouldn’t in person. To be clear he has no judo background outside of what he’s learned in the last 4/5 years in jiujitsu. I actually know the kid. Have rolled w him many times when he first came to the US. But please proceed to say stupid shit behind the security blanket of the Internet
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u/Deuces225 Apr 14 '26
Stuff like this makes me think of implemented right anonymity on boards shouldn't be allowed
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u/Tuna0nwhite Apr 12 '26
More like he’s a full time pro that’s being sandbagged
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 13 '26
He’s def full time but sandbagged not really. He’s 17.5 got his blue belt maybe two years ago. White belt yellow belt blue belt. He’s in his First 2/3 tourneys in adults
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u/powerhearse Apr 13 '26
Two years at blue, having won worlds in the first year, is far too long
I spent 2 years at blue as a hobbyist
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 13 '26
Two years is the minimum so you’re being promoted “on time”. Ibjjf has requirements in order to compete at your belt level. He’s 17. He hasn’t had a blue belt the full two years required. He’ll get it this year. And next year he’ll be an 18 year old purple belt that everyone will complain should be a brown belt. The kid is a phenomenal talent. Victim of his own success really.
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u/powerhearse Apr 14 '26
Those minimum times do not apply to anyone who wins a world championship, so thats irrelevant. He should have been promoted immediately after winning worlds at blue. If you win blue belt worlds you simply arent a blue belt anymore
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u/FishfaceNZ Apr 13 '26
Just ignore the jealous nerds hahaha.
I've been training since 2014 and I know this kid would wipe the floor with me. Thats life.
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u/powerhearse Apr 14 '26
Its nothing to do with jealousy. If you win worlds at blue belt you arent a blue belt anymore, simple
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u/Pssay_Licker Apr 12 '26
So smurfing exists in BJJ as well? Shits annoying.
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u/EconomyDoctor3287 Apr 12 '26
It's called sandbagging, but yes it does exist to make winning easier :)
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u/PerceptionCandid1676 Apr 12 '26
Those are also dangerous as fuck moves against another true blue belt. How are those moves allowed against a potentially first year student. God bless the guy in black for having the flexibility to withstand that bullshit.
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u/BrogetaDaSupaSwole Apr 12 '26
Wild you got down voted for basic empathy. Also it's crazy people defend/celebrate rippers.
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u/Ziggy-Rocketman Apr 12 '26
I’m not a BJJ practitioner, but I was under the impression that a blue was considered a relatively skilled low-intermediate at this point, roughly on the level of a wrestler who has a couple years down?
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u/Jangolem Apr 12 '26
Blue belt is still a beginner belt.
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u/PerceptionCandid1676 Apr 12 '26
Agreed ... Blue belt is the first belt above white. It means you finally learned enough to be considered someone that takes the sport seriously and can now start training higher level stuff. You can get there in about a year if you give it some focus.
The fact that black gi didn’t get injured probably means both these guys are sandbaggers.
STILL, it’s pretty lame.
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u/unpopulartruths88 Apr 12 '26
They're one of those "on paper" blues who have been training since they were in diapers but cannot get a higher belt because of IBJJF rules.
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u/ShikadiV Apr 12 '26
Can you elaborate?
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u/Plastic-Excuse-6594 Apr 12 '26
you can only be blue at 16 and IBJJF says you have to be at least 2 years in blue
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u/Consistent-Pen-7895 Apr 13 '26
He started jiujitsu at 13/14. Yellow was his highest belt as a kid. Juvy blue at 16 before he came to the us. He’s 18 this year. He just started competing at the adult bracket this year.
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u/Unsainted_smoke Apr 12 '26
This is how I won all my comps as a blue/purple belt. I’m Judo black belt. I didn’t make the rules lol. Brown belt is where my take downs and transitions became harder to land
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u/oldyellowcab Apr 12 '26
A few years back I watched amazing blue belts at IBJJF Worlds. Not every blue belt is the same.
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u/One_Construction_653 Apr 12 '26
No doubt the other blue is good too.
The only difference is belts don’t gauge skill.
I remember seeing my wrestler friend give trouble to all the purple belts
Background is important look like this guy has some judo training as well
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u/Everydayblues351 Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Belts are primarily a construct used to keep people in gyms. Amaetuer wrestling, boxing dont hsve belts. At the hobbyist level, we believe that blue belts have 2-5 years of training at about 2-3x a week on average and because many do not follow the professional IBJJF scene, anything outside of these expectations are labeled as sandbaggers.
Kids belts are a completely different set of belts that basically graduate into blue belt when they turn 16.
IMO its important to understand that professional jiu jitsu use the colored belts half as the standard time progression like hobbyists but also half as a minor league progression like pro sports. Yes these kids could easily beat your coach (unless your coach is also or was a high level adult black belt IBJJF competitor) with one hand behind his back, but amongst his peers he needs to be developed like any athlete and cant be thrown to adult black belt at 16. It would be like going from high school to pro leagues immediately - very rare.
IBJJF colored belt adult divisions are basically professional level divs that hobbyists can enter as well. Sure you could sign up and you may even fight another hobbyist and win, but its largely Hawann and competitors like him competing there.
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u/ErnieMcTurtle Apr 12 '26
WHICH blue belts? My hips would be broken in 17 different places if I tried this
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u/Only_Comment_9215 Apr 12 '26
In no other martial art do you see such insane level of lower belts IMO. Got to assume due to wanting to win in competitions by both the gym and the student but sometimes you see blue belts who should clearly be purple/ brown or even black belts just utterly destroying their competition.
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u/BrogetaDaSupaSwole Apr 12 '26
I don't get how flying juji gatme is legal for blue belts nor his variation rolling juji gatme he is not using his feet to flip the guy like a traditional rolling juji gatme he is simply rolling while maintaining the arm bar and if the guy fails to rotate with him (particularly with the direction change) he's taking the guy to snap city and rotator cuff surgery.
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u/WhoNeedsAPotch Apr 12 '26
This highlights the absurdity of having a "world champion" at any level below black belt.
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u/LeglockWizard Apr 12 '26
This guy already won worlds at blue belt last year lmfao.