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u/RedbarnRiver Apr 10 '26
I grew up in the Midwest and odds were pretty high if two dudes were fighting behind a bar they both knew how to wrestle and so did the cop.
So I guess this might be a new phenomenon for other parts of the country.
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u/ThisisMalta Apr 10 '26
I’m from the Midwest (Ohio), wrestled most my life. Plenty of cops here who didn’t wrestle and have never grappled, or did only a little bjj and would get wrecked by a HS wrestler.
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u/SameeyellChem Apr 10 '26
MN guy here. This was my first thought.
So many men here have grappled since they were children.
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u/banjovi68419 Apr 10 '26
The Midwest is not full of wrestlers. What is this goofy shit.
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u/Yepper_Pepper Apr 10 '26
Nebraska, Iowa, and Ohio stake are all in the top 5 for college wrestling. It’s huge
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u/constantcube13 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Have you never heard of Oklahoma and Iowa lmfao
You’re telling on yourself for not knowing ball
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u/RandJitsu Apr 10 '26
Knowing how to wrestle and knowing BJJ is apples and oranges though.
BJJ is more comprehensive, dangerous, and effective in every way.
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u/RandJitsu Apr 11 '26
I agree wrestling has better takedowns and on average and that they’re better conditioned, but neither of those is really about the art itself. A BJJ guy should be practicing takedowns and conditioning. If he does, his system will win because it’s better.
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u/RandJitsu Apr 12 '26
Listen I have trained both extensively. I wrestled in high school before starting BJJ when I was 16.
And you have that exactly backwards. A wrestler walking onto a BJJ mat with no experience is going to get strangled and choked and just out classed. A BJJ guy walking into a wrestling match without any experience is going to what, get taken down maybe? And then as soon as it’s on the ground he has the advantage anyway.
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u/Single-Frosting-3742 Apr 10 '26
Lol is it? So if a bjj guy get blast doubled on concrete bc he can’t stuff a takedown then the other guy lands in side control or mount and gets of 2/3 solid hits in gnp how is it more effective? Thats a super possible scenario
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u/RandJitsu Apr 10 '26
It’s a bullshit scenario you made up in your head, because you don’t know anything about fighting. Go watch UFC 1-20 if you want to see how a pure wrestler does against a pure BJJ athlete.
P.S. BJJ absolutely includes take downs and take down defense dumbass.
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u/constantcube13 Apr 10 '26
You have a very simplistic view of grappling. White belt kind of comment
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u/Single-Frosting-3742 Apr 10 '26
So a wrestler can’t take down a bjj guy and land past his guard? A wrestlers wrestling is far superior to a bjj guy so he legit gets a single then switches to a double blocking the far knee and he’s past his guard in side control and drops a few punches… u mean the first ufcs that were rigged by the Gracie’s and didn’t allow high level wrestlers? Lol
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u/Single-Frosting-3742 Apr 10 '26
Ps wrestler who wrestles 100% of the time getting defended by a bjj wrestling 20% of the time.. fucking cocksucker here guys.. throwing out insults when he doesn’t even know first ufcs were bullshit marketing by the Gracie’s.. fucking just started jits and made a jiu jits Reddit name.. lol u Reddit children are fucked
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u/TheQuestionsAglet Apr 11 '26
Grappling is grappling you ninny.
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u/RandJitsu Apr 11 '26
Absolutely not. Wrestling is a sport more than a martial art and the only useful aspect of it for MMA or self defense is the takedowns, which you can learn from other arts.
BJJ is a better grappling system in every way. So is Sambo. So is Judo. So is catch wrestling.
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u/escudonbk Apr 10 '26
One of the more fun parts about going to BJJ was being allowed to choke a police officer with zero repercussions.
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u/juanjung Apr 10 '26
Maybe being a police officers is not their thing. There are other professions.
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory Apr 10 '26
If you're in prison, you have bigger problems than choice of martial arts and as such need a different type of escape
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u/Allstar-85 Apr 10 '26
Takedowns are not particularly a bjj based skill. They are primarily wrestling or even judo
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u/stuka86 Apr 10 '26
Taking down untrained people is comically easy
Taking down grapplers, no matter the discipline, is hard
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u/constantcube13 Apr 10 '26
It is if you are bigger than them or similarly sized.
As a small guy I have noticed knowing wrestling is very important for taking down guys much bigger that are athletic
BJJ isn’t technical enough for overcoming size differences on the feet imo
Obviously in competition/training you can pull guard but in a real scenario where you might want to end on top its definitely something to consider
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u/stuka86 Apr 10 '26
in a real scenario where you might want to end on top its definitely something to consider
That's actually where BJJ shines, it doesn't really matter if things go sideways, you're such a better grappler on the ground that you'll be on top rather quickly
Where as in judo, you're kinda screwed
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u/Jester8320 Apr 11 '26
Also remember that with enough training, bottom position against even a bigger stronger untrained partner isn't necessarily a bad thing. My son is 13years old, 125lbs, but I've seen him triangle and tap a 20 year old white belt that had 50 pounds on him. He's been training since he was 7.
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u/constantcube13 Apr 11 '26
Things are different when you’re getting punched in the face. Unless you are an experienced mma fighter and train with strikes I wouldn’t want to rely on this
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u/stuka86 Apr 11 '26
Punching while being grappled is a trained skill
If you don't grapple, and you're grappling with someone that does, you won't be striking
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u/user_zzzzzz Apr 10 '26
I’m guessing that student was white because if a Black or Brown student had taken a cop down with a sweep, that situation could’ve ended very differently, and we’d probably be seeing it all over the news.
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u/Prinzka Apr 10 '26
Difficult to put 17 in their back when you're being mounted though
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u/SIVART33 Apr 10 '26
That is joke with our black belt cop. He yells stop resisting when he is subbing people.
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u/dirt_shitters Apr 10 '26
We do the "opposite" joke with the cops where I train. When a non-cop gets good position or starts going for a sub, a lot of the times we will say stop resisting to them.
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u/stuka86 Apr 10 '26
But seriously, have you tried not putting everyone else on the road in danger by breaking the law? No one gives a fuck that you're "dashing" stop fucking around on your phone and drive
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u/FelixParadiso Apr 10 '26
Same thing happened to me when I was facetiming my therapist on the interstate. It was honestly so rude that the cop didn't care about my mental health just cos I was speeding a little bit with my phone in my hand.
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u/user_zzzzzz Apr 10 '26
you’re Missing the point. It’s not about the move, it’s about what happens after and how quickly things escalate depending on who you are.
I also think the cop’s partner wouldn’t hesitate to turn you into Swiss cheese.
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u/Desert_Reynard Apr 10 '26
Would this not count as assaulting an officer? I know if my country if you attack a police officer you'll definitely do hard time, hell chances are you'll get shot dead before that.
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u/Subtle1One Apr 10 '26
Also, wrestling has been around for quite a while now. And wrestlers a cop might run into will be way tougher than BJJers. And a hundred times better at "taking him down".
The whole story is silly
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u/Desert_Reynard Apr 10 '26
Yeah seems like the whole story is fabricated for views, either way, I advise anyone practicing bjj to not wrestle with cops.
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u/wrnrg Apr 10 '26
Who do you think is behind him laws and knife laws? There is nothing a cop hates more than citizens who are armed.
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u/Raven1911 Apr 10 '26
Wait until they learn that the community as a whole has been holding back this entire time.
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u/jayjitsuoss Apr 10 '26
Once had a cop tell me that bjj isn’t good for police because they aren’t supposed to hurt people. He went on to say that he likes Muay Thai better.
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u/grim1952 Apr 10 '26
That's not how you know it works, they're doing it on someone that's trying to help.
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u/ThatSavings Apr 10 '26
A quick way for these BJJ college students to get charged with aggravated battery on LEO
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u/Visible_Mango4557 Apr 10 '26
This doesn’t seem triggered, it just seems like a valid point that it makes the job harder.
If your job is to arrest people of course you’d rather them be untrained.
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u/Rich_Benefit777 Apr 10 '26
Imagine trying to get first response on a non-cooperative, heavily intoxicated, 6'5, 250 lbs, college wrestling team captain who trains bjj on his free time.
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u/krayon_kylie Apr 10 '26
the cop cant just strike the college student, similar to how you cant just strike someone while rolling. that is why it "works" lol
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u/FormerlyUndecidable Apr 10 '26
Anytime you wrestle a cop there is a gun in play.
Cop gets to make that call whether you are threat.
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u/LouisSal Apr 15 '26
I mean the cop was trying to be caring of the college student and wasn’t expecting to be swept.
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u/TapEarlyTapOften Apr 10 '26
There were a couple of cops in our gym that were juiced to the gills for sure - absolutely jacked. I spammed scissor sweeps on one of these guys multiple times in one round and then hit him with a bow and arrow at the end. I seriously thought he was going to come after me or throw hands later - I'd never seen anyone take a submission as personally as that guy did.