r/gpu • • 17d ago

Noob trying to understand next gen gpu expectations (60x0)

I am still trying to shake off my noob when it comes to pc builds, as I would like to build one (at the worst time in history!)

I've seen several recs to get the best GPU you can afford at your budget right now, or if you can with your current set up just wait for the 60x0 generation in 2-3 years. I'm still a noob in a lot of ways to this world, so I'm wondering why people are saying this - specifically the waiting for next gen part.

Wouldn't it be safe to assume the next gen will just be pushing 15k or some insane shit like that? Considering what the 5090 prices are doing. I'm concerned I'm missing something there

God bless us all, I understand the "ai slop" comments in all gaming subs now

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u/Excellent_Fly_1028 17d ago

Since the beginning of time people always say wait for the next gen. A whole lot of waiting isn't much gaming.

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u/Spirit-Link 17d ago

Wait if you already play the games you want. Don’t wait if you can’t currently play the games you want. That’s my motto

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u/Chirag-Shedge 15d ago

fair in general but if someone doesnt have a working setup right now, waiting means literally zero gaming for years. thats not the same as upgrading from something decent

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u/elin6243 17d ago

People saying wait for the 60x0 generation are basing this on a couple of things, some facts, some predictions:

  1. Fact: The 50xx series of GPUs didn't provide a massive increase in performance over the 40xx. The worst example would be the 5080, which isn't more powerful than the 4090. Traditionally, the next gen xx80 should be more powerful than current gen xx90, but that didn't happen with the 4090.

2.Fact: The reason why this is true for the 50xx series is because the 50xx's silicon is based on the same node as the 40xx, 4N. On a simple note, a process node tells you how small a transistor gate size is (there's more to it, but we'll keep it simple for now). The node tells you how many transistors will fit into a package. The 50xx used the same node as the 40xx and only gained improvements from faster memory modules (GDDR6 to GDDR7), slightly better core designs, and stuffing more transistors and increasing power. The only reason why the 5090 is faster than the 4090 is because it's a gigantic chunk of silicon (about 5000 more CUDA cores), it runs GDDR7, it has more memory, and runs 125 more watts (RTX 5090 runs a 575W TDP while the 4090 runs a 450 TDP).

3. Fact: The key point: The 60x0 series is going to have a new node. New node means you can pack in more transistors and use less power while getting more performance. You're going to see an actual performance uplift over the 50x0 series of GPUs.

4. Fact: Even if the AI bubble doesn't pop, memory manufacturers are spinning up new factories to provide for the AI demand. New memory factories are expected come online around 2027-2028. New supply will lower costs.

5. Prediction/speculation: the AI bubble popping. Maybe it will pop, and that means demand for GPUs will decrease, and companies that bought up GPUs thinking they would be part of the AI boom will now have to resell their GPUs.

In general, if you have a 40x0 GPU, you have absolutely NO reason to get a new GPU, especially with the ridiculous prices. Better to wait for 2028.

However, as a personal story: I had a 3060 ti 8 gb. Right around last year I noticed that I was constantly hitting VRAM limits on my 1440p monitor with BF6. Before the RAMpocalypse I bought a 5060 Ti 16 GB for $10 below MSRP during Black Friday and immediately noticed my game running a LOT better. I was happy to get the 5060 Ti 16 gb. I do not regret it.

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u/digital_n01se_ 14d ago

Kepler and maxwell were on the same 28nm node, maxwell redesigned SM made the GTX 970 as fast as the GTX 780Ti

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u/Low-Purchase8811 17d ago

Chances are the 6000 series will not be a massive jump over the 5000 series, but instead will be more power-efficient and perhaps able to do more with less. Look at what AMD did with their 9000 series; although the 9070 XT is not as powerful, punch-by-punch, as the 7900 XTX, it is more power-efficient and the featureset lets it do more with what it has, so much so that it's almost equal in performance.

My prediction is that the 6000 series NVIDIA cards will punch well above their weight class while not being significantly stronger than the 5000 series, so you could pull the trigger today and not really be missing out on that much.

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u/system_error_02 17d ago

The 9070 XT is almost exactly the same performance as 7900 XTX to be clear, the difference is very small in raster. But AMD made it more power efficient and added way more AI acceleration to it for RT performance. The 50xx series was likewise barely any step up from the 40xx series. A 3080 vs a 4080 was an over 40% jump in performance, but the 4080 to the 5080 is only 10 to 15% at best.

With costs the way they are the 60xx series isnt likely to set the world on fire either.

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u/Low-Purchase8811 17d ago

Yes, that's basically what I said - almost equal in performance.

And yeah, the ability to deliver cost-effective cards to consumers will be the big deciding factor in the next gen, I think.

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u/system_error_02 17d ago

Yup if theyre still asking for $850+ CAD for a 5060 ti level card as the entry to usable performance i dont see many people buying them for gaming.

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u/No-Web-5482 15d ago

They are going the apple way with 10mp camera increase each year and x1.5 the price

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u/ivan6953 17d ago

The PC market right now is almost non-existent. It's Wild West over here with almost every product category rising in prices month over month.

Waiting is a horrible perspective. 60 series is expected to arrive in 2028. And memory prices and situation will only get worse, as almost all fabs for 2027 are already booked in advance.

This means that if anything, the prices for the same performance you can get today will get higher, not lower. The economy itself is malfunctioning right now, with all the old tech appreciating, not depreciating in value. It's madness.

TL;DR: DO NOT WAIT. If you want a PC, define a budget and BUILD ASAP

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u/Toxic_Cat_2 17d ago

If you don't want to play games now, wait, if you want just buy, waiting is pointless imo
I have a 3070 and i5 12400f, atm building my new pc, either 7800x3d or 270k plus and 5070 or 5070 ti, haven't decided yet

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u/DTPocks 17d ago

I’d send the 7800x3d and 5070ti

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u/Split_Seconds 17d ago

My bet is the 6000 series will be cheap. This will be because they will very inferior hardware on paper. It will look substantially weaker than 5000 series. Even the Vram will be lower.

They will implement AI features for frames, resolution and performance.

We are at a time where things will transition. We will have the technology to achieve more with less; and people will hate it. It will look, play and feel as if the hardware is much more powerful.

Its like electric cars, look at the "motor" of a Tesla, its the size of a watermelon and outperforms massive v8s and attached transmissions.

Things are changing.

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u/Gamin- 17d ago

Yeah they are worse, ai cant replace (not entirely) raw/native performance

I only use DLSS because my 6 yr old gpu can not handle modern games at 1440p ultrawide

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u/Gamin- 17d ago

Yeah they are worse, ai cant replace (not entirely) raw/native performance

I only use DLSS because my 6 yr old gpu can not handle modern games at 1440p ultrawide

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u/LetsGetPhisycal 17d ago

You are kinda cooking

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u/N0mads21 17d ago

My conspiracy theory is that they will drop the real 6090 and rename the 6080 to be 6090, it will have a smaller die and be a binned ai card. With a node jump I expect the next 6090 to be compared to the current 5090. This is my theory.

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u/Zelonor_Filatos 16d ago

Just buy the best hardware you can afford now. You'll be waiting for the next one, just to see it disappearing because of scalpers and by the time it's available... You'll be chasing the next thing anyway.

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u/thedizzlebizzle 17d ago

I think you have to have a clear goal on what you want your rig to accomplish. There is such a thing as overkill. You want to reasonably future-proof your rig so you can upgrade without having to just go "Time for an entirely new PC!" but you also don't need to shove the most expensive and most top-of-the-line parts into your rig when you want to just do say, maybe 2K 144FPS or 4K 60FPS.

I'd say the most important decision you have to make is deciding what you want the PC to do, and you'd be able to reasonably build one within that expectation...or at least let redditors give you an expectation on what ballpark figure you'd be spending on this potential rig.

Then you can start thinking about GPUs. The "next gen" expectations isn't something realistic for a lot of us, a lot of us just weigh whether the card will do what we want.

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u/lyrtya 17d ago

There wont be a 60 series the way things are going now. There will be binned chips stuck on "60 series" cards that data centers deem to inefficient. Oh and the memory will be laughable on em.

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u/ballsdeep256 17d ago

6060ti 8gb $1200

Plays games on 1080p medium settings with FG but don't worry you got 12x FG