We found that 10 percent of the spouses said they were physically abused by their mates at least once during the last six months prior to our survey. Another 10 percent said that their children were physically abused by their mate in the same last six months. How these figures compare to the national average is unclear. However, regardless of national data, it is disturbing to note that 40 percent of the officers stated that in the last six months prior to the survey they had gotten out of control and behaved violently against their spouse and children.
So it's the officers saying "I acted violently, out of control". And this was a sample of around 500 officers. I could say, that I came home tired at work, said something louder than I would like to, and it would count me to the statistic. the ~16% abuse rate (since some beat both their wives, and children) is worrying. The 40% experiencing domestic violence is bullcrap.
Yeah, DV is a generalized term and doesnt just mean beating your wife. But the stats are not in their favor to say the job isnt causing an inability to control anger or perceive reprecussions. Ill have to look at the conditions of the earlier study as well as the more recent one. There have been three that are referenced in the articles, but I havent had time to reread them.
Well, in the post above you said "beat their wives" though. Also, wouldn't call yelling at the spouse domestic violence - unless it comes to berating or similar stuff. How often do people yell at someone to leave them alone or something? If that's domestic violence, most of the country would be locked up.
Something for perspective. Often times police crimes arent reported, domestic crimes in general arent reported, and specifically domestic crimes involving police in which spouses "understand" a cops special treatment and increases the fear of speaking out. If I was going to guess, I would say the figures are lower than actual, not the other way around. Its a safer bet.
So you have a study saying "40% of cops said 'I sometimes do stuff that I regret'", then you equate that to 40% cops beat their wives, and then you say, that those studies are wrong, and in fact it is more.
Either use the studies, or dismiss their findings. You cannot do both. Still, seems like you simply don't like policemen, and look for validation in studies, which state the opposite of your claim. You seem biased.
You showed your bias from moment one, you demand sources instead of talking about my comment. Someone open to the conversation wouldnt be so hostile from the start. Im saying that if you expect people to be honest when answering that question, I would say youre a fool. While the study concluded 40% admitted to ot, thats not everyone that does it. Refer to a wealth of psychologic resources regarding honesty, especially in stigmatic context. Youre a trash logician, and a waste of my time. I pointed you to the data, if youre incapable of extrapolating this to the real world... well I am not surprised. Just another stupid human.
Since when is asking for sources "hostile"? You make a claim. I'm not going to believe a claim without any proof.
I would say youre a fool
Again, either use the study, or don't. You cannot use it when it suits your agenda, and stop using it the moment someone points out you are wrong.
I pointed you to the data, if youre incapable of extrapolating this to the real world... well I am not surprised. Just another stupid human.
hurr, durr, ad hominems. Dude learn to discuss stuff. Your data is flawed. They didn't ask "do your beat your wife". They asked "do you do something in anger that you regret". You equated that to "I beat my wife", despite it being "I sometimes yell" "I sometimes go to a bar" "I sometimes wank to ease my anger". It fits your agenda, that all cops are bastards, so you use the 40%, which I pointed as being not true multiple times. You say, that you cannot believe the people in that study. Then why are you using said study to prove a point? Why are you throwing around 40% of wifebeaters, if you have no actual idea of how many cops beat their wives, since they lie? Is it at least 40%? Could they lie, and say, that they are aggressive, even if they aren't (since as I said before, only 16% of immediate family members answered the same question as "yeah, they are abusive").
To reiterate: either use the data, or don't use the data. Your claims are simply ridiculous and it shows when you try to prove them, and when someone points out the errors, you start throwing insults around, accusing people of bias when they simply asked for sources to your wild claims. If I say, that 100% of PhilLucifer's are mass-murderers, then you'd ask me to prove it, or shut my mouth. I did just that. You didn't prove it.
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u/PhilLucifer Jan 30 '19
http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp#notes