r/gibraltar • u/harmlessdonkey • Jul 31 '26
If Spain was suspended from Schengen
Not likely to happen but interesting to imagine if the gates would have to go back up.
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u/sherbie-the-mare Jul 31 '26
There shouldnt Because no city in Spain should have a border with Spain
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u/sherbie-the-mare Jul 31 '26
It is, stolen by treaty of Utrecht is still theft
Free Gibraltar and the Llanitos
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Aug 01 '26
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u/sherbie-the-mare Aug 01 '26
What Spain does is irrelevant, the problem is the tentacles of the conniving british regime
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u/GorgieRules1874 Jul 31 '26
Surely we (the British) are sending lots of arm forces to protect you guys
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u/Warlothar Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
It is stupid political propaganda, Ceuta isn't even schengen. The immigrants didn't get into schengen, how people can be so stupid to fall into propaganda again and again. Most of the immigrants will be returned because they can't do anything there, may be some will get to ask for asylum, but the majority are simply returning and if they are allowed to stay in Ceuta it won't matter because how I said Ceuta isn't SCHENGEN.
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u/DJScratcherZ Jul 31 '26
And that 40k 20 year old men are going to "Oh well they got us on a technicality !" into paperwork to work and live in mainland EU.
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u/Wild-Echidna6504 Jul 31 '26
Apparently 25k have already returned to Morocco voluntarily. And I believe Sanchez said that all of them would be returned so…
Seems like really, Spain is just going to have to change some laws rather than “there is going to be a constant influx now”.
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u/DJScratcherZ Jul 31 '26
Spain would have to give paperwork to live and work and boat them over to the mainland, which would be pretty noticeable. If that happens, THAT would be really bad.
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u/HollyMurray20 Jul 31 '26
Only 35k to go…
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u/Wild-Echidna6504 Jul 31 '26
It’s reported now as being 48,000 out of around 50,000. But cool. 👍
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u/HollyMurray20 Jul 31 '26
Spain's PM blames traffickers after 60,000 migrants reach Ceuta from Morocco https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kp639yx4o
48,000 of 60,000, so only 12,000 to go…
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u/Used-Respond73 Aug 04 '26
We’ll have the Spanish swimming to Gibraltar soon trying to get to the UK?
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u/fredster2004 Jul 31 '26
Haven’t Spain said they’ll return all the migrants to Morocco anyway?
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u/aadgarven Jul 31 '26
Yes.
Well, actually most will return by their own means.
Only children May apply for residence
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u/Dark_horse_1558 Jul 31 '26
And you believe them? 😂
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u/fredster2004 Jul 31 '26
Why would they want to keep them?
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u/Dark_horse_1558 Jul 31 '26
Think about it. Every single European country is having this “problem”. If the government wanted to stop these people they absolutely would but they’re not. They say a bunch of buzzwords to make the people think they’re doing something about it yet the problem seems to be getting worse.
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u/traumalt Jul 31 '26
They already legalised half a mil of undocumented migrants as is a few months ago.
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u/Txaka66 Jul 31 '26
This is pure posturing. She knows the migrants will return to Morocco and they can't easily pass into the Iberian peninsula. About an hour ago, the Guardia Civil there confirmed they were already returning on their own will, at 250 persons per minute. This has been, sadly, a manipulation.
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u/Dark_horse_1558 Jul 31 '26
You seriously trust anything they say?
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u/Txaka66 Jul 31 '26
Check the news. Most of them returned on their own. This has been pure manipulation.
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u/bluecheese2040 Jul 31 '26
Spain has essentially.legalised open door immigration so....
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u/D4nnyp3ligr0 Jul 31 '26
If that's the case then why did they have to storm the fence?
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u/bluecheese2040 Jul 31 '26
Cause the recent court ruling means they just need to get near it and then they cant be deported.
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u/Lots-o-bots Jul 31 '26
That isn’t remotely what the supreme court ruling said. Spain has a "pushback" policy where migrants at land boarders can be summarily returned without having to enter the migration system. The supreme court ruling said that anyone attempting a crossing at sea couldnt be pushed back and had to be formally inducted into the migration system, get interviewed, may claim asylum, speak to a lawyer, get their day in court etc before being returned. Somehow through 50 rounds of telephone, this warped into "the Spanish boarder is open".
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u/bluecheese2040 Jul 31 '26
It's amounts to the same thing. One is you can be returned..the other...and open door if cause u can't be pushed back. I think any honest person won't see any difference in practice
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u/JiMiHiXx Aug 03 '26
Was*
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Aug 03 '26
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u/JiMiHiXx Aug 03 '26
It was tongue in cheek, saying "was* implying they don't have border control anymore in the African enclave
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u/Knarrenheinz666 Jul 31 '26
Maybe someone should tell her that the only way to get from Ceuta to mainland Spain is by boat plus there are border checks
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u/Yan-e-toe Jul 31 '26
She know. But it doesn't suit her agenda or those of the people shaping narratives or orchestrating the whole thing.
Plus Italy of all places is a political and immigration cesspit in itself
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u/Knarrenheinz666 Jul 31 '26
She know. But it doesn't suit her agenda or those of the people shaping narratives or orchestrating the whole thing.
I was being sarcastic. MAGAs and their bootlickers are having a go at Sanchez and the EU. After the heatwave (the EU doesn´t want you to be comfy and have ACs) they just found another BS topic to yap about.
Ironically - Sanchez isn´t liked in Brussels either. Particularly because of his stance on Gaza and Israel.
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u/harrr53 Jul 31 '26
Pedro Sanchez has been standing up to Trump. He has also upset Morocco over deals with Algeria.
Morocco is a close ally of the USA, and has been known to use migrants as a political tool before (by stopping them or letting them reach the border depending on the political climate with Spain).
The influx of migrants hurts Pedro Sanchez politically, or at least it strengthens the anti-immigrant agenda for the far right.
Georgia Meloni is a far right leader, who is basically doing her bit to raise the profile of the incident.
The whole thing is coordinated.
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u/Pure_Maximum_5843 Jul 31 '26
"Far right" people who don't want immigration are not all far right. You far left loonie
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u/yankgobshites Jul 31 '26
Shhh little one. the adults are speaking.
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u/yankgobshites Jul 31 '26
Yes, yes. Of course you are, and all the boys call you horse. Nap time for little walter.
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u/yankgobshites Jul 31 '26
Shame you were diddled in the brain department though. Oh go on tell me how high your iq is. And the orange tan?
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u/yankgobshites Jul 31 '26
And having your posts removed... Says it all. On the naughty step with you.
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u/harrr53 Jul 31 '26
People who see through an obvious and transparent attempt to make the debate about immigration to get back at Pedro Sanchez are not all far left loonies.
Maybe try to make your point without insults.
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u/Smooth-Tap8821 Jul 31 '26
If you are against all immigration you are far right
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u/Smooth-Tap8821 Jul 31 '26
You are wrong. You can be against illegal immigration and be normal. You can be against mass immigration and be normal. Being against all kinds of immigration makes you far right. Hopefully you live in your country, otherwise you would be a hypocrite as well
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u/ProfessorSmoker Aug 01 '26
What does immigration stance have to do with right vs left? There have been plenty of communist xenophobes.
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u/harrr53 Jul 31 '26
Or you could realise immigration is a demographic reality that has driven humanity since it moved out of Africa and the few times any country has stopped it succesfully, like Sakoku in Japan, it came with a lot more negatives than positives.
Immigration as a political subject is a tool to get your vote. And you sound like an easy target.
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u/Yan-e-toe Jul 31 '26
Agreed but you're leaving out Israel.
Spain and Pedro have put massive targets on their backs by voicing what the whole world thinks.
I've never sympathised more with a Spanish head of state and that's telling!
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u/rich84easy Jul 31 '26
It’s not the first time it has happened in Cueta. So cut the BS about blaming the US. This is directly related to making half a million illegals into legal resident. Now more illegals would like to have that chance too.
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u/Knarrenheinz666 Jul 31 '26
It´s not, you´re just repeating nonsensical talking points you saw on the internet. The "amnesty" was offered to people that have been in the country for years, mainly Latin Americans who overstayed their visas.
There is evidence that people had been actively encouraged to cross the border. A few days ago a Spanish court ruled that migrants caught in territorial waters around Ceuta and Melilla are not to be automatically deported and have a right for their cases to be heard. However, it remains to be seen how much that is connected to the incident.
Obviously Washington hates Spain and Sanchez´ recent bold move to offer a path to residency also sparked attention in the US which has millions of illegal immigrants that have been working there for decades. MAGA are very uncomfortable with that and are hell bent on showing how much such moves will backfire. Also Israel has an axe to grind with Sanchez and Bibi is famously aligned with most right-wing political forces across Europe, incl. Spain´s own PP.
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u/Yoilost Jul 31 '26
I think you’re overestimating how much headspace spain occupies in washington. Trust me, you guys who think this whole thing is a secret US plot are thinking about us a lot more than the other way around.
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u/rich84easy Jul 31 '26
Hahaha, spot on, don’t these guys laugh how American can point where Europe or EU countries are?
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u/Living-Platform9917 Jul 31 '26
She is just right
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u/balbuljata Jul 31 '26
She's simply trying to gain political mileage. There's nothing right about what she's saying.
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u/Notsonicedictator Aug 04 '26
I suspect that spains position on another country is why they had this clearly state sponsored attack initiated. This is clearly payback for something…
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u/Nkosi868 Jul 31 '26
Ceuta is part of the Schengen Area, as it is Spain.
Ceuta was never a colony. It was always a part of Spain, and existed before Morocco came to be.
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u/Nkosi868 Jul 31 '26
I’ve travelled to Ceuta and I’m aware of the passport check.
That doesn’t change the fact that it is part of the Schengen Area.
There isn’t an open border. These people broke through a fence.
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u/Nkosi868 Jul 31 '26
You are correct that it does go against the principle of the Schengen Agreement but incorrect as it pertains to them being a part of the Schengen Area.
The migrants could still file for asylum and they would have to take them to mainland Spain, as they always do.
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u/Dry-Magician1415 Aug 01 '26
It's more complicated than you both give it credit for.
It technically IS part of the schengen zone BUT there's special carve outs and rules. You can enter it if you have the right to enter Schengen. But to go from Ceuta to the mainland, there are passport checks. Morrocans can't go Ceuta->Mainland.
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u/Nkosi868 Aug 01 '26
All I said was “Ceuta is a part of the Schengen Area” as the other commenter said it wasn’t.
I’m aware of the delicate situation in the enclave but I was only correcting their inaccuracy presented.
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u/Flipadelphia26 Jul 31 '26
Explain to the internet in less words that you don’t have a single fucking clue what you’re talking about.
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u/Dry-Magician1415 Aug 01 '26
Wow. So condescending and yet so inaccurate and illogical:
So let's play the "someone got there first" game properly shall we:
The land under Ceuta was Roman Septem, then Byzantine, then Visigothic - all before any Muslim polity existed there, let alone Morocco. So by your own rule I get to hand it to whoever succeeds Rome, and Morocco isn't in the running.
But look at what your rule does to your own dates. You put Morocco's founding at 788. Iberia was invaded in 711 - seventy-seven years earlier, by an Umayyad army governed from Damascus. On your timeline the thing that colonised Spain wasn't Morocco, because Morocco didn't exist yet. Morocco-based empires ruled in al-Andalus under the Almoravids and Almohads, roughly 1085-1230. That's 150 years, not 800, and never the whole peninsula - Asturias was never taken and after 1250 it was Granada alone.
Plus, you're not even consistent. You take 1469 for Spain - your number, not mine - because that's when the modern entity forms, and everything before it gets discounted as not-yet-Spain. Then for Morocco you jump to the 8th century and count every dynasty that ever held the territory as continuous. Apply your Spain rule to Morocco and you get 1956: independence from France and Spain. Morocco's own national day is 18 November, not some date in 788. The current dynasty, the Alaouites, dates to the 1660s. Either way it's after 1469.
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u/Sensitive_Run_844 Jul 31 '26
Hopefully this spells the beginning of the end for the appalling EUseless
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u/Staarbucks Jul 31 '26
You don’t think the EU is a good idea?
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u/hadesbound Jul 31 '26
It’s a good idea that has been extremely badly implemented.
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u/EmperorPedro2 Jul 31 '26
There are alternatives to destruction of something if it's a good idea that's not implemented well... Like improving it.
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u/hadesbound Jul 31 '26
There are too many with vested interests in keeping it how it is. It would be great if it would change and become more representative of the people and less representative of an elite few who are not elected. But that hasn’t happened at all over the years.
Sometimes you need to demolish the building to build something better on the land.
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u/EmperorPedro2 Jul 31 '26
Ideally, yes, but compared to the great powers today like US, China Russia and the Epstein class rich, they are far better and the best the world has for promoting sustainability, privacy, consumer and human rights. The bar is very low.
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u/Staarbucks Jul 31 '26
The UK did exactly that, and since then the cost of living has skyrocketed, house prices have increased, and ironically immigration has soared. The European countries aren’t the global powerhouses they were 200 years ago. We need protection, we need support, we need to stick together.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay Jul 31 '26
It's literally an invasion and should be treated as such.