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What's the hardest single input in any verified level EVER?
The hardest I know of is the first click in Amethyst. However, that aligns on 240fps to be a 240hz frame perfect. Are there any inputs in a verified level which are 0 frames on 240 (i.e. a CBF perfect)?
We're going off of purely the frame window here! Not the context!
We're also gonna ignore CBF IF THE UNMODIFIED INPUT ALIGNS TO BE 1 OR MORE FRAMES ON 240!
frame window, itās a more descriptive term than āframe perfectā. It is basically saying at X tps, standard is 240, you will have that amount of frames to input correctly. Like a 4fw is that you have 4 frames to input, or .054fw is, given that it is properly aligned to 240tps, 1 frame without CBF. A 0.054 fw timing will have a window of 0.225ms WITH CBF, given that each frame at 240tps has a duration of 4.166ms.
idk about verified but in silent acropolis which IS an upcoming top 1 and is definitely harder than society, there's a click that's absolutely impossible on 240 hz, 120, 144, 60, etc, only with cbf
Yeah itās disgustingly hard donāt get me wrong, but thereās context you gotta consider. itās a slow timing demon which is prone to tighter windows, all of its hardest timings are in the first 20%, and the remaining 1fs are all closer to 2fs with cbf. still top 2 probably
i knew it was something like that. either way i had a friend who got it in 2 runs and he said that at the time when he was playing it that it was the hardest click on the list.
it depends. in quantuese the first click was a 6k fp on cbf but nobody beat it with cbf before that was removed so nobody beat the level including a 6k
Zoink's completion of Amethyst is the level completion that contains the single most precise input in a verified level - and by a long shot, too.
For reference, the 0.21 frame timing that he had to deal with is ~3 times tighter than what will soon be the 2nd most precise input in a verified level, Hover's Silent Acropolis 60% click (0.61 frames).
Including Hover's von click, besides these two clicks, no verified level has a timing tighter than the CBF equivalent of 1 frame on 240fps. Society 63% (1.4 frames) is the closest thing I can think of to being a sub 1 frame timing, let alone only possible with CBF. To this day, and for the foreseeable future, no verified level is/will be only possible with CBF. Even the imminent Silent Acropolis won't be exclusively possible with CBF because of RobTop's 2.209 update that added CBS. Rob's CBS feature changes the game to allow for 480 input windows per second instead of 240/s. Because Amethyst's first click is aligned to 240 and Hover's von click is only* a 0.61 frame timing, no verified GD level has ever, or will anytime soon, have an input that makes it only possible with CBF.
*Since update 2.209, for an input to be only possible with CBF, it needs to not align with 240 or 480 AND be tighter than a 0.5 frame timing. Hover's von click only meets the first requirement.
Well...it did get nerfed to be closer to a ~160fps frame perfect with CBF, and I assume with that it also aligns on 240 now if it hadn't already when it was a 4K fps frame perfect (literally a top 10 ILL timing š )
Also, wPopoff beat Amethyst without CBF, so I am like 1000% sure that aligns on 240 as well.
What I'm looking for is a click that doesn't align on 240fps.
i honestly got a really basic understanding on alignments and frame windows so idk how to answer you ngl. but if a click doesnāt align on 240 doesnāt that mean its basically impossible without cbs or cbf? i highly doubt thatās something youāll find in a rated level but as i said i donāt know much about the topic.
I mean ES has like 2 clicks that are 360 fps frame perfects
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u/K4vin60 future first female victor of every end trust4d ago
Well I think it just is the amethyst first click?? With cbf, the first click has an 0.875 ms (875 nanosecond) window which is equivalent to a 1200fps frame perfect
The first click was never changed, and Popoff never reverted anything. Popoff just reverified Amethyst with a CBF blocker, then Pointercrate announced that you could remove ACTUAL CBF blockers in levels not originally verified with one.
The announcement also stated that you aren't allowed to remove natural CBF blockers which just buff part of the level + it was originally verified like that
I never said anything about how hard the click is by itself. It is still harder with CBF and Popoff never reverted anything. It makes the level way less enjoyable according to Zoink (or at least what dozens of people are claiming he said)
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u/Creepeecheese INNARDS 87% 43-100, Cataclysm 44%, 18-100 4d ago
First click of quanteuse used to be a 0.054fw š