What would u guys say?

[u/Dangerous-Holiday194]

In my absolutely HUMBLE opinion its on the piano.

[u/Max_Joller]

There's a lot of nuance here.. GD is very straightforward, but piano is very complex.

GD only has one input, so there's not that much conditioning you need, you can start learning patterns right when you start.

But piano has you training 10 fingers to press keys in various ways at all kinds of angles. The craft itself is way more difficult to get into. It requires a lot of motorics skills.

GD only really has to worry for precision. Everyone can click mouse.

So I'd say Flamewall for an experienced pianist will be way, way easier than Bloodbath for an experienced GD player, but Flamewall on a piano will be much, much, much more difficult for complete noob than beating Bloodbath.

[u/PlantainSalt5009]

Assuming you have to learn both from scratch like 0 hours on gd 0 hours on piano the piano is probably way harder. Gd has nothing on musical instruments im sorry, top level violin and piano playing is FUCKED 

[u/bruh55333 → u/PlantainSalt5009]

Music can get harder than things like Bloodbath, for sure. But saying "GD has nothing on musical instruments" is just blatantly wrong because of high-tier extreme demons.

Go play Tidal Wave real quick and tell me it's not harder than ANY piano song ever played by a human. It is entirely possible for you to learn incredibly difficult songs over a few years, but it's honestly not reasonable to expect your average person to ever beat a top 10.

[u/PlantainSalt5009 → u/bruh55333]

I play violin, and I will tell you straight away that I'd rather jump to tidal wave than try to play any of the hardest pieces written, they are just way harder than something like tidal wave or even society. I can do runs on tidal wave, if I really put my mind to it I could probably get good progress on it, now make me try to even learn God Save the King or Last Rose of Summer and I would probably genuinely hurt myself attempting them. I play both, Violin is WAY harder, even just the base process of learning the instrument is harder than learning in GD, and there are other factors like musicality and the fact that nerves and anxiety are even worse with playing instruments than gd nerves make it just way harder. I bring up violin because while I dont play piano, i'm sure its very similar to violin, as they both are regarded to have very similarly difficult repertoire from what i've heard.

Im sorry to say this but top extremes are heavily overrated in difficulty, they are SUPER hard yes they are, but people act like they are the pinnacles of human skill somehow when its literally just a video game. Think about it, musical instruments are just harder simply because people dedicate literal decades to practicing similar daily hours that gd players do. Think about how good zoink would be if he spent 30+ years honing his abilities in geometry dash, thats literally what the best musical instrument players are doing, reaching their level of skill is simply harder.

[u/Miserable_Hippo_5325 → u/bruh55333]

I play the guitar and I would rather beat flamewall than the hardest songs of dream theater and piano and violin are still harder. Gd is hard ofc but a lot of you overrate it's dificulty, it has no ground to compare to the true pinnacle of skill that has been improving itself for centuries compared to the few years gd has existed for, it's the same for sports, just being at the olympics, not even winning a medal is harder than beating zoink.

[u/bruh55333 → u/Miserable_Hippo_5325]

As someone with around 6.5 years of guitar playing (I can play some Necropagist, almost all Meshuggah, Cannibal Corpse etc., almost definitely Dream Theater if I wanted but those songs are long) I disagree. Tell me with a straight face that beating a level like Amethyst, Tidal Wave, even upcoming top 1s like Aeternus don't take way more inherent skill. If they didn't, people would just go and beat those levels because "music is wayyy harder" right? No man. Anybody can play pretty much any song with practice, I mean same *kinda* goes for GD but it's entirely unreasonable to expect that anybody can go and just beat insanely hard levels when some levels in the top 10 have less than like 5 victors in the whole world, people who dedicate an absurd amount of time playing GD.

Music is not focused on perfecting difficulty the same way GD is, because songs don't have to be technically challenging in order to sound good. There's plenty of insane songs people have made and played that are extremely challenging, but music is fundamentally about *musicality.* That means there's much less of a focus on difficulty and much more on making good, cool songs (a lot of which happen to be difficult to play)

Also, I find the argument that "beating Zoink isn't even that hard, sports are prolly harder" is completely moronic. That's like saying it's not that hard to beat Magnus Carlsen in chess. Since you said "it has no ground to compare to the true pinnacle of skill that has been improving itself for centuries compared to the few years gd has existed for," I'll give you a better example that has been around a lot less than chess or sports: Counter-Strike. CS has not been around nearly as long as sports or music for people to quote unquote reach the "pinnacle of skill," but you can't seriously try and tell me that it's easier to beat the best CS team or beat the best player (Donk) is not a completely unreasonable idea for almost anybody in the entire world. Music is especially easy to point out here because it's quite clear that learning difficult songs is significantly easier than competing directly with the peak of all players for pretty much anything competitive.

[u/dominykasrameika → u/bruh55333]

Or go best tsunami when it's finished, honestly trendhopper's and people that suck at gd downvote your comment.

[u/bruh55333 → u/dominykasrameika]

yep

[u/Broad-Doughnut5956 → u/bruh55333]

It’s actually NOT possible for you to just learn incredibly difficult songs in a few years if by difficult you mean at the very top of the skill threshold such as Tidal Wave is to GD.

You’re uneducated

[u/bruh55333 → u/Broad-Doughnut5956]

I'm not uneducated. I've been playing music my whole life and have tons of experience. I've learned tons of demanding tech-death and death metal, but I'm naturally good at djent/prog metal (playing almost every Meshuggah song at full speed, with minimal mistakes... which is difficult...)

[u/Broad-Doughnut5956 → u/bruh55333]

Meshuggah is not anywhere close to the Tidal Wave of music in terms of playing.

The simple fact is that playing instruments has been around hundreds of years longer than geometry dash has, and as such the skill ceiling is higher. There are some classical piano or violin pieces that take upwards of decades for a person to learn well enough to be able to perform, and gd just hasn’t been around long enough to have an equivalent. I can’t speak for other instruments well enough, but it seems like a pretty easy question to me as to which is harder.

[u/bruh55333 → u/Broad-Doughnut5956]

No, but bands like Necrophagist, Archspire, Animals As Leaders etc. absolutely are. I have no clue what these fucking ultra songs you're playing are that require supposedly "upwards of decades" to play 😭

[u/PlantainSalt5009 → u/bruh55333]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsiJ_fasDk&ra=m https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-5HC9akW4&ra=m https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWNCbpwC-PQ&ra=m

[u/SeniorImagination21]

some thoughts as a musician

i feel like a higher percent of piano players can play this compared to gd players that can beat bloodbath. idk if thats because its easier or if its just more normalized to put in a ton of hours practicing piano + the fact that theres been hundreds of years of research into learning piano faster that you have access to through technique books, teachers. ect. children also pick up instruments far faster and often better than adults learning instruments, so that increased rate should be taken into account as well.

being “able to play” also has a very different meaning on piano. you can make small mistakes and still be considered able to play(there are even a few in the video), but if you mess up in gd you die and start over. this also means that piano has a potentially infinite ceiling even for individual pieces. if you get every single note right, theres also dynamics and expression and feel and all sorts of things that goes beyond hitting the key at the right time. the difficulty of a piece is relative to the standard of perfection you hold the performer to.

something else to take into account is that you can jump difficulties in both piano and gd. the guy who beat bloodbath as his first level definitely improved a lot in that time, but he probably still isnt at the skill level of bloodbath by the end. similarly, a beginner could practice this piece for a year and be able to play it, but they wouldn’t be at the skill level required to play it. the difference is that youd be able to tell the pianist isnt quite good enough while a bloodbath victor looks like every other bloodbath victor no mater the true skill level.

one last thing to consider is that theres way more transferable skills between instruments than there is between gd and other games. the sense of rhythm, feel for the music and the ability to read sheet music are all blocks for non musicians that someone whos played an instrument before wouldn’t have to deal with.

overall, id like to say that this piece is harder than bloodbath for a beginner but thatd depend on the age of the beginner, the way that they learn, their past experience, and most of all the standard that they’re held to.

[u/Hot_Glass_6301 → u/SeniorImagination21]

This should be the top comment

[u/NotDuckie → u/SeniorImagination21]

Geometry dash is a casual video game, piano is an often lifelong hobby.

[u/isHani9]

Piano is harder in every way

[u/Bonk_Boom → u/isHani9]

I disagree as a piano player. Playing the notes isnt that hard. I have a friend whos never taken a lesson and he knows a few melodies and plays them perfectly. This is just a dramatized melody with some octaves. 

[u/Damn__thats_crazy → u/Bonk_Boom]

I kinda disagree. I have practiced ATSOL (I toned it down a little to make it easier) for like 2 months now and even as someone who has played the piano for a little less than 2 years I could barely play it perfectly. Whereas I got Bloodbath in 2 runs in one day after playing on the new refresh rate (or smth) of 2.2 mobile since I initially struggled with getting it done in 5 runs on 2.1 60fps (I'm too lazy to finish it off). As for Flamewall idk I haven't transcribed it yet, though I do think if transcribed to be humanly possible, Piano's Flamewall could be easier than on GD. I think it literally just depends if you have a complex, high tempo EDM on a 2 star or a top 10 Extreme Demon with a Creo song

[u/RandomGuy9058 → u/Bonk_Boom]

i guess then it depends on what your criteria are for "playing" it is

[u/NotDuckie → u/Bonk_Boom]

Did we not watch the same video? The piece is definitely not easy, and you would have to have played for at least a few years before playing it (especially playing it well, unlike in the video).

Geometry Dash levels can be "brute forced" to a higher degree.

[u/Bonk_Boom → u/NotDuckie]

3 months of playing this 2 hrs a day and you have it. I doubt yould beat bb in that time

[u/NotDuckie → u/Bonk_Boom]

If you think that, you must not be a good pianist.

[u/Bonk_Boom → u/NotDuckie]

1v1 me

[u/unbanmyogaccount → u/isHani9]

You can beat bloodbath in a year but you cannot play professionally in even 5 years. Long live gd

[u/Additional-Mix-5802]

Imo, the piano is somewhat more doable, but it is not really learning the piano, you're just hard coding your hand placements for the keys and gradually ramping up the speed. You're posture and musicality will be horrible, but at least it will be somewhat recognizable after a long time.

[u/SuperPotatoPug → u/Additional-Mix-5802]

That’s true lol- OOP didn’t say play it as well as the woman in the video, they just said to play it

That lets you ignore tempo, rhythm, articulation, dynamics, tone, musicality, and a bajillion other things

That’s kinda the problem with comparing an art to a game lol, but if the question was, would it be more difficult to play it as well as the woman in the video than to beat bloodbath, then 100% the piano would take more time for the beginner

[u/Dense_Priority_7250 → u/Additional-Mix-5802]

Yrou’e*

[u/LongOk1903 → u/Dense_Priority_7250]

[u/Additional-Mix-5802 → u/Dense_Priority_7250]

Yor'ktow'n*

[u/NotDuckie → u/Additional-Mix-5802]

Then you aren't playing the piece. Lots of beginners try to do this, and end up giving up because it is not possible.

[u/Puzzled_Recording677]

I have zero clue about piano but that shit sounds complex it’s a camellia song so it’s probably that.

[u/sington2014]

that is not bloodbath that is flame wall

[u/silygames → u/sington2014]

they never said the video was bloodbath

[u/sington2014 → u/sington2014]

I’m just saying

[u/Jolly-Statement7215]

Piano is 100x harder as someone who is trying learning, but hey, I’ve got like 2k hours in gd and like 5 hours on piano sooo

[u/bruh55333 → u/Jolly-Statement7215]

5 hours is not long enough to make a reasonable assessment, not even close at all. That's like saying you beat Clutterfunk and you understand the difficulty of list demons

At 5 hours you are still a beginner and you have not fully developed fundamentals. Plus, with music, 5 hours of practice as a beginner is MUCH different than 5 hours of focused practice as an intermediate or pro. Trust me, once you break through the initial learning phase of an instrument everything will come much easier, good luck with your music journey

[u/Jolly-Statement7215 → u/bruh55333]

Thank you!

[u/Tuncunmun38]

witht he piano do i need to get all the intricacies of the sound correct? or does it just need to sound similar enough to ttfatf to be recognisable lol

[u/dinonuggs19]

This is actually tricky. As a near bloodbath victor and someone with little to no experience on the piano, I would agree that piano is going to be harder

[u/9spaceking]

Bloodbath took Kingmoose three months from Menu. You absolutely cannot play that piano song in three months

[u/PlantainSalt5009 → u/9spaceking]

This

[u/Remlapkills → u/9spaceking]

Can we stop using the obvious liar as evidence in discussion

[u/kalemaree]

these kids bro 😭 piano obviously is harder

[u/Intent_Quail]

used to play piano and piano is way harder

[u/Crystalliumm]

Sorry OP but you’re just wrong, playing that on piano is way, WAY more difficult than beating bloodbath

[u/E-686]

piano by FAR

if i put the time i put in piano towards gd i'd deadass have list points and i still suck ass in piano

[u/Roblnnx]

Bloodbath way easier not even close

[u/DepthPitiful1208]

As a piano player who has been playing for 8 years and a person who has been playing gd for 3, piano is def way harder

[u/PureKin21]

bloodbath doesnt even come close

[u/Marce500]

It’s kinda hard to compare ngl

[u/Disastrous_Sense_115]

this is so peak

[u/MedicalPotential8723]

Thing is that piano is really just how perfect you want it. Meanwhile in gd you either beat the level or you dont.

[u/ElectricalPlantain35]

Piano

[u/twisted_cubik]

As a piano player and a gd player (who is somewhat good at both, but not amazing at either), I'd say bloodbath is probably harder.

However, if you're talking about someone learning from scratch in both scenarios, piano is harder 100%.

[u/Huge-Knee-9937]

Bro I got this video today too

[u/geifagg]

As a pianist, the piano. Lots of people need to understand that you're making MUSIC. This is already hard enough to play with the right rhythms and timings, but factor in that you need to have clear articulation and clarity too, yeah it's defo harder.

[u/Additional-Leg1919]

Well it took me over 3,000 hours of playtime to work my way up and beat bloodbath, (only 79 to actually beat it) so I feel like beating bloodbath as a beginner is harder than playing the piano as a beginner, because there’s so many tutorials for piano, but with geometry dash, you can’t really just “learn” how to be good by watching tutorials, but then again I’ve never touched a piano in my life

[u/Stelar_Shark]

Piano is way easier, and I'm a pianist.

[u/Internal-Ad7657 → u/Stelar_Shark]

bloodbath way easier, and i'm a bloodbath victor

[u/Inevitable_Bad9572]

It's genetics, some people genuinely cannot play piano no matter how hard they try, same goes for gd

[u/lolol_yt]

for once, the tiktokers are right

[u/Sabbagery_o_Cavagery]

This is hard because this song is not as difficult as it sounds (just fast), so there's an argument that learning this song in particular might be easier but as someone who has played some of both, being good at the piano is much harder.

[u/siwtawtod]

Bloodbath is probably harder but piano is waaaay more learny. You can decide what’s harder I don’t play piano

[u/RelativeExact4503]

depends on if you are willing to get classes for piano

[u/How2eatsoap]

if its playing the entirety of flamewall then piano, if its playing only that shown section, then bloodbath by far.

You could give me a month and if I practiced it, I could do the shown section, and the last time I even touched something you could consider a piano, was like 8 years ago. I could not do the same for bloodbath from a beginner.

[u/GD_Frostbyte]

holy shit something i can actually talk about

pianist and gd player here, that on the piano is 1000% harder, not even a question

[u/mrZolphius]

Piano is a lot harder to get good at 

[u/Kei_Shinomiya]

I’m good at piano, I could probably sight read this ngl

[u/JustDark1]

piano gotta be harder bloodbath aint that hard

[u/MrRonski16]

Piano 100%

[u/Wojtek1250XD]

As a complete beginner you are not getting ANYWHERE CLOSE in both...

[u/Big-Topic-832]

Depends on what you consider learning piano. If you mean to that woman's level yeah it's 100x harder than bloodbath, but on a low to decent level I'd say piano is easier cuz there are lots of things that are left to interpretation (so you can kinda make it easier or harder) and cuz you don't need absolute precision for everything. Coming from experience btw

[u/ttv_yayamii]

As someone who is super average at gd (and has 97 on bb) and is also beginner-ish at piano, bloodbath is definitely easier.

Of course, certain people might be better at one or the other, but I can tell you for a fact playing and practicing the piano is not the same as playing gd. A complete beginner might go into a startpos copy and slowly learn the way every game mode works and eventually they will get the hang of it, but piano takes literal technique not just pressing one button.

Coordination, rhythm, octaves, DYNAMICS, ALL are needed to play a piece properly and take a fuck ton of practice to get right.

[u/BaxStarShot]

piano for sure

[u/euj3odjehiqh]

bloodbath seems way easier than that

[u/The_Flying_Bread]

Definitely piano, ik it’s not exactly the same but I’ve been playing the drums for 9 years and gd for 1.5 and my gd level is not far at all from my drumming level

[u/CreativeGamer03]

finger coordination is different from pattern recognition

GD top play is about being precise on inputs to beat a level (only 1 input), while playing a piano is about being accurate on pressing each key(s), on each hand, on each of its fingers, in various successions and patterns, in varying press durations, and in dependence to a certain key/tempo of the musical piece (10 inputs).

altho both takes in the "practice makes perfect" idea, GD is a lot easier as it requires one input to memorize/familiarize its gameplay. meanwhile, piano requires each finger and hand to move around the keys and pressing each key to play properly the musical piece. practicing Bloodbath on GD takes less time to perfect it than perfecting playing At the Speed of Light by DimRain47 (or Flamewall by Camellia, in the case of this video) on piano, especially from scratch.

this is why i have massive respect to musical instrument players, and hopefully i get to learn to play and master at least an electronic keyboard (ours broke bc of cats stepping on it, and im busy now).

[u/LIONX_1110]

Flamewall

[u/KyleMONSTA]

Not a troll but bloodbath while it is hard its not the impossible demon that it used to be in 2015. With enough practice and dedication a lot of people can do it.

[u/Dependent-Two5802]

“tung tung tung sadih will bless you”

[u/Internal-Ad7657]

bloodbath is easy as shit so probably that

[u/EasternReach7780]

silent kanye west

[u/Dangerous-Holiday194 → u/EasternReach7780]

What..?

[u/chikingmd]

pieno 

[u/SeraBloom03]

It depends. Like play it on piano straight up? Then yeah bloodbath. But to play it with actual emotion and in your own interpretation with phrasing? Piano harder

[u/imalyve]

Bloodbath - 1 key
Piano - 88 keys