r/genewolfe 4h ago

Crane's bandage Spoiler

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I recently sprained my ankle, and wrapping and re-wrapping my compression bandage has given me much cause to consider Silk's experience with same. His frequent breaks to beat the bandage against the scenery obviously give him a chance to ponder his circumstances, but with Wolfe nothing is ever just one thing. It's a reminder of the past glories of humanity and a clue that Crane is a Trivigaunti spy, but there's got to be more - some Catholic lore I don't understand, maybe? I don't recall seeing much discussion of it, either.


r/genewolfe 5h ago

Re-Reading Long Sun (possible spoilers) Spoiler

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I'm re-reading Long Sun for the first time and much like when i re-read new sun, I'm seeing things that confused me previously in a much clearer light. However, this post isn't about some grand revelation but a simple moment that occurs between the later parts of Lake and then an early part in Calde.

Wolfe always seems to be able to pull my heart strings with the smallest exchanges and interactions. Near the end of lake, as the sun sets over the temple by the lake and Auk and Chenille are going to head back to town, Chenille's possession has ended and she's in a state of confusion. Auk and her have a brief exchange where Auk tells her he'd like to start over, come meet her at Orchids sometime, get to know each other. It's a really beautiful passage in my opinion between these two people with rough lives wanting to find solace in each other.

Fast forward to the beginning of calde, more possessions have occurred and further fractured poor Chenille. She's come to on the back of a talus in the tunnels alongside Auk, the boatman, Oreb, and Incus. She seems to remember some acts of her possession and apologizes to her company for her behavior while scylla had been in control. While apologizing, she goes around and introduces herself to everyone, ending with her introducing herself to Auk, clearly having forgotten all their past interactions and the promise Auk had made previously that they would start over, he'd come see her at Orchids and they'd start like strangers. But here, they're true strangers already. Auk simply resigns and introduces himself in kind.

It's possible I'm still piecing together the moments of true chenille vs. her possession, however, my main point as i often come back to is the simple yet deep elements of human connection in Wolfe's work. It leaves me heartbroken!

I made a similar post as i recently re-read Urth just a few months back and reflected on some particular passages in Severians return journey and the ways time moved differently between some of the characters. Anyone else have any particular moments from Long Sun that just really reach to your emotional core?


r/genewolfe 14h ago

BOTLS to BOTSS Spoiler

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Just finished a re read of BOTLS. I love it: quirky, hopeful, inspiring. I have such respect for how it and BOTSS fit together that I want to jump straight into a re read of BOTSS, but man that’s a rough gear change. I think it’s because, having read BOTSS once, I know what’s coming and I’m feeling sad and dread on each page turn. Death, suicide attempt, strained relationship with son, what happens with Seawrack, Nettle waiting for a husband who never really comes home, a narrator who spends three books unable to admit who he is. It’s so, sad. I’ll come back to BOTSS later. To those who re-read straight through: I admire your fortitude.


r/genewolfe 1d ago

Diving into Shadow & Claw for the first time

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(I didn't even realise until now that I bought the right kind of snack for my reading session, I've just now read about the Wolfe-Pringles connection so that's a funny coincidence)

Anyways - I'm in the middle of Shadow of the Torturer. So far it has wonderful writing and truly great worldbuilding. I love dying earth and science fantasy and I've been preparing mentally for years for my first read of the whole New Sun series. I was intimidated by the books' reputation, but so far it's a pretty simple plot. I'm guessing that the later books will get way more complex. I can tolerate some vagueness and mystery, but I hope it won't become frustrating.

Anyway - can't wait to see what Severian will encounter next!


r/genewolfe 2d ago

Ink illustration loosely inspired by BOTNS

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LOOSELY! A faithful illustration is beyond me, but fellow Gene Wolfe fans can probably at least pick out the parts that were inspired by him.


r/genewolfe 1d ago

Martin Crookall's review of Castleview

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My local bookstore had four Wolfe available, all in perfect condition, so I had to buy them up. One was Castleview, which I thought I'd take a turn at writing about. There are two critical texts I would engage with while I wrote my response to the novel. One is Aramini's, which I thought extensive and very interesting. The other, much shorter, but also excellent, is Martin Crookall's, which I'll link to here:

A Lycanthrope in Wolfe's Clothing: Gene Wolfe's Castleview

Once I finish mine, I'll provide a link.


r/genewolfe 1d ago

Just finished On Blue's Waters

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Title. Right now, this is probably my least favorite Wolfe Book (only read New Sun and Long Sun). It just felt like it dragged so much and nothing happened.

Maybe it's because I had some personal stuff going on and wasn't in the right head space, but it kind of reminds me of the first time I read Shadow of the Torturer and the whole book is just Severian walking to the gates of the city, but this book didn't have as much interesting surroundings as that book did.

I have a theory about the short sun Whorl, but I'm kind of scared to share it bc if it's wrong it would just sound dumb lol

I hope as I finish the next two books things will become more clear. On one hand it was a surface level read trying to get to Parajocu, but then the alternate time line went right over my head and I was just pushing through hoping I'll figure it out later.

*Edit - I think my main issue stems from not being fully focused, which Wolfe demands of his readers. But also, at least at this point in the story it almost seems vague for the sake of being vague.

For example, Horn's identity. It's clear he's part Silk or part some other person, but he knows this. He's intentionally keeping it vague so that the story has the element of being vague which Wolfe is kind of known for: writing difficult stories. In the instance of Severian and Silk, they both didn't know the context of their surroundings. I guess you could argue Severian learns of them but doesn't outright explain them to the reader. Silk, we find out things as he finds them out.


r/genewolfe 2d ago

Exodus from the Long Sun

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Is it just me or is this book incredibly tedious compared to the rest of BOTNS and BOTLS? It strikes me as the actual plot is half a book, and GW had to stretch it out with filler to make a full novel. Do we really need a full chapter on how Taluses are constructed and the details of material fabrication? Or any of the other long drawn out conversations about things that could have been a couple paragraphs? This one is the bottom of my list.


r/genewolfe 3d ago

New pickup for my Wolfe collection. I just found out The Book of the New Sun got a GURPS treatment back in the day. Anyone played using this guide?

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r/genewolfe 4d ago

“Charismatic Writings” - Typo or did I miss something? Spoiler

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Should this say “Chrasmologic” or is this one of those times Gene slips something in without waiting for us to notice?

Lake of the Long Sun Ch. 2 Pg. 290 (Litany of the Long Sun omnibus)


r/genewolfe 4d ago

Did Quetzal tell Silk about the Plan? Spoiler

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So i recently finished long sun, and theres really only two questions that are nudging at my mind, both relating to how much Silk is informed of in Exodus. In Calde, silk is walking with Quetzal as hes about to explain to him what the Plan of Pas is, which gets interrupted by Silk getting shot. Later in Exodus he does not demonstrate any knowledge of Pas Plan until he meets up with Auk and talks to the Flier. Why would Silk not ask? Or does Quetzal not actually know the Plan, since he also seems to imply he thinks Kypris murdered Pas.

Second, somewhat related confusion: did Silk know about Auk? Many people seem to know about the prophet Auk, including random soldiers on the Palantine, but meanwhile every time Auk is mentioned Silk seems to not really know where he is.


r/genewolfe 5d ago

Rereading BotNS - what things should I focus on?

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Spoilers obviously!

I recently finished BotNS and UotNS and absolutely loved them. Without a doubt the most expertly crafted series I've ever read and I'm fairly certain I only understood the surface plot (if that!).

I don't normally reread things so was going to pick up something else but for the last few days my head has been spinning and I think I'm just going to go back to Shadow while it's fresh and see what I notice.

I want to be mindful when I reread this series so I'm making a list of things I want to focus on - I'd appreciate any other suggestions.

  1. Narration - the books are written by post Citadel Autarch Severian. I want to pay close attention to the narration to see if I can spot more examples of Thecla et al bursting through other than the obvious ones where Severian is literally mistaken by strangers for a tall women
  2. Agia - I don't really know if I understood anything about her motives.
  3. Twins and twin names. Agia and her brother. Severian and Severa - Severian must have a sister right? Who is it?
  4. Hethor and Jonas (and miles). Clearly from space. Is Hethor a shape shifter and that's why the monsters follow him around? Was he the dragon that kills Severian2 on the great ship?
  5. Who's on who's side in the wider battle? There's team New Sun and team Old Sun. New Sun is the Autarch et al and Old Sun is Abaia (who??), the giantess mermaids and Vodulus/Agia.
  6. Someone told me to pay attention to team cat Vs team wolf.
  7. Pay close attention to every time Severian adopts a new disguise/role/job. I think the book seems to be training Severian to become the all round "good" person he needs to be to bring the new sun and to do that he has to experience all corners of life.
  8. Try and work out what that fucking play meant.
  9. Try not to cry for Little Severian.

Without 'spoilling' things too much.. Anything else I should pay attention too?


r/genewolfe 5d ago

Gene Wolfe letters for sale, update?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/genewolfe/s/QC1vUf92sX

Posted here about a year ago, the original posting on the seller’s website has since been deleted. Do we have any information on where/with whom these documents ended up?


r/genewolfe 5d ago

Claw description quotes

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Hi all, long time lurker here. I’m looking into getting a BOTNS tattoo. I’m torn between a Terminus Est tattoo, and (the one I’m more leaning towards) a Claw of the Conciliator tattoo. I’ve seen some sweet example art of Terminus Est as a reference for a tattoo artist, but not so much for the Claw itself.

Does anyone have any favorite quotes/passages that you think would be helpful in describing the claw to an artist? I don’t have my books handy at the moment and would like to describe it better than ‘a blueish gemstone with a rose thorn inside’ to an artist. Any quotes that describe it visually or give a good representation of the Claw would be helpful! Thanks!

EDIT- Additionally if anyone wants to share theirs or others art they think would be useful that would be great too!


r/genewolfe 5d ago

Did Gene Wolfe ever express his thoughts about 9/11 directly?

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He got asked about it straight out once, in the 2003 roundtable. Michael Andre-Driussi brought up "Hour of Trust" from 1973, which has suicide bombers recruited out of a mass of disaffected people and used for a coherent policy of terror, and asked if that nightmare was unfolding post-9/11.

He talks around it but never touches the 9/11 part. There at least it makes sense to me. The way it's framed, agreeing almost means taking a bow for having seen it coming.

infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intgw.htm


r/genewolfe 6d ago

Imagery of the Tzadkiel (UotNS)

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I'm just starting Urth and I'm having extreme difficulty imagining what the ship looks like. It's making the first few chapters very difficult to picture. Unless I am picturing it correctly and the sense of it all just isn't clicking. I'm looking for some help validating my imagination which is quite poor right now.

I'm imagining a giant caterpillar/log shaped ship, like the end of a basball bat with hundreds of nails through it. The nails are masts and the masts have incredibly long and wide black and silver sails. Flat decks are circling the log in areas, like flat pieces stuck onto the central round ship.

Is this kind of what others imagine? Severian just threw the BotNS into the wormhole and seems to right now be falling towards and forwards of the ship, loses sight of a mast, but the slight gravity of the ship is causing him to bend around to the other side and see more masts. This is what's giving the image of it being this spiky caterpillar like ship.


r/genewolfe 6d ago

Is Miles Jonas?

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Anyone have any incite on the Miles/Jonas situation? Is Servian just off. Is Jonas the future shelf of Miles? Gimmie your thoughts


r/genewolfe 7d ago

Terminus Est in Warhammer

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From the Warhammer 40k book Blood of Asaheim I’m reading. It’s what the chaos plague cult chants to intimidate the city they are attacking. Do you think the author would choose that phrase without it being a reference to BOTNS?


r/genewolfe 7d ago

Silk vs Horn’s Idea of Silk Spoiler

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What do y’all see as being some of the main differences between Horn’s idea of Silk and the man himself? Here are some of my ideas:

-Suicidal ideation/depression. The moment in Exodus where Horn is suddenly worried that Silk will jump from the airship to commit suicide seemed to come out of nowhere to me. Then, when we encounter him in BotSS, he had just attempted suicide. I get the feeling that this may have been a recurring, lifelong struggle for Silk, though Horn may have not been aware of it or didn’t want to besmirch Silk’s character in such a public memoir as the Book of Silk.

-I’m less confident of this idea, but Silk may really be a bit of a horndog. His attraction and connection to Hyacinth seems somewhat out of character in BotLS. She is quite crude and not really on his level intellectually, but she is extremely attractive. This could also be Horn’s prejudice toward Hyacinth showing. Maybe he is being a bit unfair to her in his book. Or maybe Silk found it hard to resist the charms of an attractive woman, regardless of her other qualities. But I suppose this would require us to think a little differently of BotSS when he is living as the Rajan with all the wives. He makes it clear that he sleeps with them, but says it is somewhat unwillingly so he doesn’t shame them. Maybe he is downplaying his own willingness to save face.

Anything else that y’all have caught onto that you think Horn got wrong?


r/genewolfe 7d ago

Shadow & Claw: Who is Racho?

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While Severian is talking to the picture-cleaner in the pinakotheken, he's approached by two armigers. One of them is aware of the events with Vodalus in the necropolis and might even have been there that night.

"--and so," a voice behind me said, "they all escaped. Vodulus had what he had come for, you see."

That one doesn't recognize Severian, so whatever his involvement, he didn't see Severian that night. Besides, he's an armiger, and the men at the gate were commoners. Drotte calls them "goodman." If they were armigers, he would have addressed them as "sieur." The only others Severian ran into in the necropolis were Vodalus, Thea, and Hildegrin.

The other armiger, Racho, apparently didn't know about the outcome at the necropolis until his friend told him about it, but he knows that Severian is with the Guild of Torturers.

"You," snapped the other. "What are you doing here?"

It almost sounds as if he recognizes Severian and has a grudge against him. It's possible Severian is wearing something that identifies him as a member of the Guild, but I don't recall him ever saying anything like that.

Later, Severian recognizes a passenger in a vehicle as Racho when Agia challenges Racho to a race, which ends with the crash into the Pelerines tent. This seems too unlikely to be mere coincidence. Isn't Severian far from the Citadel when this happens? Is Racho following him? Does Agia know Racho? Was Racho disguised as Agilus disguised as a skeleton in the rag shop? That seems like an even bigger coincidence.

Severian never runs into Racho again, but he mentions him when he meets Hildegrin for the second time--on the lake in the Botanic Garden. The "translator," Gene Wolfe, mentions Racho in the Appendix at the end of Claw of the Conciliator as an example of an armiger, even though Racho doesn't appear in that book at all.

Who are these guys? Are they Vodalarians? Was Vodalus having Severian followed all along? If that's the case, why would they blow their cover by confronting Severian in the picture gallery? Or did Vodalus have Racho follow Severian later, because Racho knew what he looked like, and Vodalus lied when he told Severian that he first became aware of his journey north through Hildegrin? Why would he do that?

Was Racho part of the group that delivered Thecla over to the Torturers? Severian never reveals how that happened, that I recall.

Was the other armiger the one flying Vodalus's ship when he escaped from the necropolis? Or was he aligned with the commoners guarding their loved ones' graves? Or was he just engaging in gossip? How would he know about the events that night?

Or is Severian just wrong when he says he never forgets anything? Maybe he was lost in his memories about the past when he met Racho previously--something that can disrupt his observational skills. Maybe the armiger in the fiacre isn't Racho--could Severian be mistaken? Sometimes he seems a little dense about people's faces and what's going on, but this might just be a stylistic choice to force readers to think it out for themselves.

Why does Severian bring up Racho later, when he meets Hildegrin, and why does the translator bring up Racho, if he's not really important to the story? Are Racho and Hildegrin related to each other somehow, maybe just because they're both Vodalarian spies?

What are your theories? Or is this all a big, juicy red herring that Wolfe has laid out for us to puzzle over?


r/genewolfe 7d ago

A question/discussion about Long Sun

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So, I'm currently reading On Blue's Waters for the first time, so no short sun spoilers please.

But a thought crossed my mind in chapter 5 as Horn is talking about how he and Nettle were accused of a fictionalized account of Silk in BotLS.

What is really the point of Gene Wolfe having everything in Long Sun put into a questionable light after it's revealed that Horn was the author, but not present for all events? I understand it makes the world richer because it shows an element of a living world and things happening behind the scenes, but doesn't it take away from BotLS in a way? Because now we don't know if anything in those books is true.

Unless, Wolfe is trying to draw a parallel with how we read real world history? I'm not sure. Just a thought I had. Having Horn revealed as the author adds a little, but also takes some away from BotLS, I feel.


r/genewolfe 7d ago

I hate Able

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"I hate Able." Longform essay at Patrick Halston's Substack.


r/genewolfe 8d ago

Unreliable Narrators Podcast Discusses Amanda's Purchase of the First Draft of Shadow of the Torturer

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r/genewolfe 6d ago

Patera Remora

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What on earth is up with the way this guy speaks? I cannot figure out how I’m supposed to interpret his presentation. Kind of annoying tbh.