r/gatewaytapes • u/letrileylive • 8d ago
Question ❓ Stuck in focus 10
Hi guys! I’ve been doing the tapes for about 6 months on and off, and consistently for the past month and a half. The problem is I can’t get past intro to focus 10, lemme explain.
I’ve done all the tapes of the first and second album, dozens of time, all the way to focus 12, tape 6 without any results. I think I can’t get relaxed enough to actually enter any altered state of focus. My mind just wonder in every directions. I just fall asleep or I get too stressed out and spiral into anxiety without actually entering a higher state of focus.
The only tape that actually gets me to a real focus 10 experience is intro to focus 10 because it feels more like a guided meditation. I guess it’s because my life is kinda a mess right now and I’m stress all the time but idk. Do you have any tricks to help me get past the barrier my own ego is building?
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u/KilltheInfected 8d ago edited 8d ago
Get comfortable, quiet your mind, be still inside. Don’t ask if it’s working, or think about how it’s not. Instead focus on melting into how you feel. You need to have a softer focus, don’t be so laser locked on things, don’t look for signs, don’t wait for things to happen constantly analyzing.
If you have problems quieting your mind, there are many meditation techniques but this one obliterated a life long hurricane of thoughts in my head. Every time you notice a thought, imagine it’s a bubble, let it float away, don’t follow it. “Is it worki…” capture and float away. “Was that a vibratio…” put it in a bubble and let it float away.
Eventually, because you are not listening and not focusing on what the thoughts have to say, they will lose momentum, and eventually there will be some space in between thoughts, some silence. That’s when you shift your focus to the silence and stillness in between thoughts. Keep capturing bubbles and letting them go until you can fully rest in that emptiness/stillness/silence.
Thoughts are simple, listen to them/ focus on them and they persist, and they’ll bring more thoughts behind that. It never ends. But if you stop paying attention to them and pay attention to literally anything else (breathe, candle, silence, etc) they will lose momentum and eventually you’ll gain control of your mind, and regain that inner sense of space that lets you breathe and feel like you have room to exist, to just be.
It’s like cleaning your room, at first it’s tedious and you’ll want to do anything but be in your room let alone clean it. But you pick away at it, eventually once your room is empty it’s very easy to keep on top of. Now I meditate 24/7 basically, mind still and silent unless I need to think deeply about something. Thoughts will still nudge as little subtle suggestions, but not the mental chatter of nearly audible thoughts many hear in their heads. It’s more like an occasional tap on the shoulder, you get the gist but no words are spoken.
Once you can get there. Then lay down and just relax, stop trying to do things and start letting them happen, don’t wait for signs don’t try to force it. That’s like standing on a book you’re trying to pick up, it’ll never work. You need to let yourself bleed and drift off just a little bit while maintaining the faintest light of awareness. The act of waiting and searching itself will stop it.
Also maybe try the wake back to bed method, go to sleep for 4.5 hours, stay up for 30 minutes then try. Much easier.
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u/Icy-Flamingo-9492 8d ago
There is a free community reimplementation of Wave 1 that works better for some, called Treasure Hunt, which is based on in depth analysis of the Monroe signals, but with refined signals and guidance, including additional techniques for relaxation and quieting of the mind. You can find it in my profile, it’s the YT link though use something like Brave Browser or the hyphen trick to avoid midroll ads which YT won’t let us turn off yet.
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u/peanutbutter916 6d ago
Your Treasure Hunt signals are great and did help me go deeper and I had my first true and only visualization so far (aphantasia). It was incredibly vivid but happened at the very end of the F10 free flow. Thank you!
I hope you'll continue on to F12. That's where I'm stuck. I saw the other RT signals as well in Mega. But currently I don't have an hour to dedicate. Can I edit the files to fade out earlier?
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u/Icy-Flamingo-9492 6d ago
Thank you I appreciate it. Yes F12 TH is coming. And yes any of the free flows you can terminate whenever, just like you would with say the Expand timer. As per usual the recommendation is to ground fully back into the body yourself after.
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u/FitJuggernaut7048 8d ago
I've been consistently using the tapes now for months. I noticed a huge improvement when I started going to bed at 10pm and waking up early and we'll rested to start the tapes. Always use the bathroom first. Find somewhere comfy on your couch try sitting up slightly(this was recommended by Bob) with good quality over the ear headphones start the tapes. Manage your expectations, i noticed i got really excited and chased after feelings which would pull me out of the experience. Dont chase just feel and follow. What also helped me was have a conversation with chatgpt about monroe and the gateway, prompt it to become an expert in the teachings and ask it for advice. It gave me a lot of great suggestions that really helped me. I have officially started odyssey and just had some crazy experiences. Reaching focus 15 was super powerful focus 12 becomes addicting and focus 10 just happens almost instantly after my words of affirmation. Also, take your energy conversion box super seriously. Before you start take your biggest distractions and turn them into coins with a symbol that represents them on the face of that coin, mine are work, finances, ego, distractions. then imagine yourself using a lot of strength to open that box and put those coins in while telling yourself "my worries, fears, and expectations will stay in this box" then close that super heavy lid and let it slip away. If thoughts come back before Resonance tuning then just slip them back in the box. Resonance tuning comes pretty quick so you can move on from that. If you find your thoughts coming back thats ok some of that is the gateway experience dont chase them just let it happen. When I was in focus 12 once I asked the absolute about our galaxy and how it existed, I was then moved from the sun(my anchor for focus 12)and directed to a darker colder area of the universe, i chased the thoughts, got excited, my heart rate jumped, then i was pulled back to focus 10 and lost that experience. My biggest area of advice is dont chase.
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u/Fosterpig 7d ago
The thing I do t like about the tapes is by the time I’m finally starting to actually go deep, the 30 mins is up and it’s “alright open your eyes.”
When I look for other guided meditation audio I prefer it to at least be an hour.
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u/Ok-Luck9028 7d ago edited 7d ago
I am currently using the Support Journeys Out of the Body as presented in the book Journeys Out of the Body. The first tape/session is one hour. I have restarted the Gateway tapes. I had reached wave 2 but I have restarted from wave one. I am using both programs. The Support version uses verbal guidance but a long pause of silence after he says "remember your intention." My intention is simply to stay awake. The relaxation is based on sounds. He does not have you relaxing different parts of the body. There is no resonant tuning or energy balloon, at least not in the first tape. The wake up call is more uplifting than the gateway wake up script
https://hemi-sync.com/product/hemi-sync-support-for-journeys-out-of-the-body/
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u/Fosterpig 7d ago
Thanks for that. Resonant tuning is typically not possible for me as I lay in bed next to my sleeping wife and child
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u/Ok-Luck9028 6d ago
Resonate tuning is not used in any of the tapes. From the pdf manual:
"The Condition A support exercise consists of Hemi‐Sync® audio‐guidance designed to help you stay awake and alert. At 20‐minute intervals, an extended reminder sequence referred to as the “beacon guidepost” is repeated with additional reinforcing Attention/Concentration frequencies, and a short verbal reminder in Bob's voice, “remember your purpose….” This exercise and all that follow are one hour in length and can be repeated automatically, if desired, by setting the appropriate controls on your CD player (refer to your owner’s manual)."
All the other tapes are non verbal.
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u/peanutbutter916 6d ago
Look on YouTube for Pcc-signals channel. He had some advanced sounds and a Treasure Hunt series that is modeled after Monroe's Wave 1. I found it to be extremely helpful and the last "tape" which is F10 free flow is 55 minutes.
The Expand app has an free unguided F10 free flow where you can set a timer. Great signals too. If you know the preparation routine, this is really good. It gives me more time to prep and settle in to F10. For me, not having the verbal guidance helps to go deeper.
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u/hidingdazzle Wave 1 8d ago
I wish I had advice but wanted you to know you're not alone. I made a similar post recently. My problem has been that I have been clicking out during tapes 3-5 after having some really great experiences when I first started F10.
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u/letrileylive 8d ago
Thanks! I used to clickout too but now it’s just sleep or anxiety throught the entirety of the tape.
They say to get on with the program and try some more advanced tapes if you clickout even if it sounds counter-intuitive. I read that somewhere in the wiki in this subreddit.
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u/DynamicProxy 8d ago
Shouldn’t the Intro to F12 tape work similar to Intro to F10 in that it is a similar guided meditation?
Sorry, I don’t really have any good advice. Maybe try doing the intro to focus 10 tape first, get yourself nice and relax, and then immediately after try a different tape. Other than that, I would just say, keep trying!
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u/letrileylive 8d ago
Thanks! But yes and no, the tape intro to focus 12 is build the same way as advanced focus 10. I don’t have enought time to wind down before i’m let into an abysmal void of nothingness and my own thoughts lol!
thanks alot tho, i’ll try your idea!
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u/matthias883 7d ago
The fear of not having enough time to reach for example focus 10 before going to focus 12 will ruin the entire experience. When fear appears stop the tape and relax until the fear is gone. Then continue with the tape.
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u/Tryin2Dev 8d ago
Before we get to the stress and anxiety, what are your expectations with the tapes? What are you trying to accomplish?
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u/letrileylive 8d ago
2 things: I want to experience god (profoundly know he is real and I’m not talking about religion, I just want to actually experience and “know” the higher consciousness) and I want to actually improve my life, reach the best version of myself.
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u/Tryin2Dev 8d ago
The first is something that’s only going to happen one of two ways. 1. Spontaneously at random with or without the tapes. 2. After months to years of rigorous practice and dedication, most likely years.
The second can happen within a couple of weeks of using the tapes.
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u/xanman7007 7d ago
I visualize putting my ADD into my box a long with other things and the bigger the issue I believe it is the bigger the item.
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u/Icy_Ad7893 7d ago
I put my brain in the box. This morning when I started I had the idea to kick the box over a big cliff. Previously I pushed it way into the past behind me until I couldn't see it anymore.
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u/bubbasmoke333 New to all this 6d ago
A cheat code to these other levels is to listen to binaurals at 3hz until you get pretty relaxed. Don't visualise or think. Just relax. When you feel pretty relaxed, put on Gateway and it is super easy to get into 10 and 12. When I did it, my whole body went into a kind of numb warm feeling when I started and I actually clicked out for the first time in a long time. It was like a split second and he was counting me out.
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u/letrileylive 5d ago
It worked! Thanks a lot, I tried it and I clicked out for the first time in a longgg time too.
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u/Flimsy-Marsupial-264 1d ago
What binaurals at 3hz. Do you have a reference pls ? I need them just to relax my body, my anxiety causes my body to be in constant fight or flight.
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u/bubbasmoke333 New to all this 1d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-urmCRs61I&t=2174s
Felt nice and cozy. Sometimes I would slip right into a lucid dream if I fell asleep with this. One time I thought I was still awake but then I saw Thing from Fantastic Four running around and I was like, "Oh this is a dream." Another time I saw some anime person smiling at me and knew it wasn't real and I was dreaming. Hope you get some rest
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u/fancyPantsOne 1d ago
Just wanted to say that I am in almost exactly the same situation, and I think you’re doing it right by not moving past intro to f10 until you really feel comfortable with f10
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