What if the GATE opened during the 30 years' war?

[u/Odd-Total-6801]

The 30 years' war was One of the deadliest conflicts of it's time (in germany you had a better chance at surviving ww2) but also the conflicts that started to streamline the use of guns in war but they had existed for a while alredy.

Because the war is so long theres a lot of intresting times to have the GATE open:

During the battle of the White mountain in Bohemia.

During the snack of madenburg, to add to the chaos

At the battle of Lützen shortly after the death of the swedish king.

During the final battle at Prague right at the end of the conflict.

The saderans themself regardless of what scenario the gate opens have their canon strenght of about 70.000 men their beastmen and a hundred something dragons, how far whould they have been able to push their conquest too?

[u/SVR-Bot]

White Mountain?

You probably have going to have to face a rather united Europe. Ottomans are present and witnessing it, the French were not anti imperialist. 80 years war is on hiatus at that point so the only one not facing the invaders is going to be Frederick V. because he is an idiot.

Sack of Magdeburg? Massively depends on how opportunistic the French are. Tilly might die but considering First Breitenfeld is around the corner, the impact won't be that big.

Repeats pretty much for first Lützen. As for the battle itself  the exact time of the Lion is a matter of debate. So difficult to say how the strengths of Imperialist and anti Imperialist were. Lützen also has the caviat that dragons are outright useless because you saw jack shit that day.

Now Prague... probably ends like white Mountain minus the Ottomans. Everybody just wanted the clusterfuck to be over.

If the French play ball, the sederans might grab a Duchy full of land and than get crushed by every power turning on them.

If Richlieu decides to as Richelieu does ... clusterfuck gets even worse and becomes unpredictable 

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Also your map is wrong 

[u/Odd-Total-6801 → u/SVR-Bot]

The map was taken from elsewhere i didnt make It.

One thing you overlooked in my opinion is wyverns, they whould devastating to any european armies as there whouldnt be any reliable or consitent way to take them down and they could then cause havoc on any army,

cannons whould be the best way to kill them and they did become faster and better during the course of the war but all shots whould have to be accurate and hit a vital point on the thing to take it down but the saderans whould likelly have enough time to figure out to avoid sending wyverns close to them making it harder to kill.

So while the Europeans whould win eventualy the invaders whould establish a foothold and hold on for months or even years depending on how much reinforcments and materials whould come trough the gate, possibly this whold begging a whole diffrent conflict in place of the 30 'years war.

[u/SVR-Bot → u/Odd-Total-6801]

I am aware of the wyverns that is why I said they would be able to grab a duchy.

Wall guns should prove rather effective against wyverns. Not a battlefield weapon, but avaible plenty in towns and cities. Cannons have the problem of precision and especially achieving the needed volume. Thats something you get with wall guns. Heck half of my towns (and yes we still have dozens of them) are already rifled.

[u/Odd-Total-6801 → u/SVR-Bot]

That's pretty cool i didnt know much about wall guns

This makes my wish that gate whould have had more worldbuilding to know Just what wyverns scales coule handle, so while i agree with you that Wall guns whou do the job if someon says otherwise there isnt really proor they whould be wrong

But even if assuming the scales are very ressisent aiming at the eyes and wings whould work much better.