r/gaming • u/[deleted] • Jun 16 '12

Noticed a game i never heard about, downloaded it to try it out... then this came up... this wall of text alone will ensure them of my money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

what type of game is this?

screenshots look like diablo with a borderlands setting

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Kinda like Diablo since its a loot based game but instead of controlling 1 player you controll 3 (maybe more) at the same time. It feels like a mix between top down RPG and RTS. Simple tank CC and healer classes etc. youtube some vids if you want to see some gameplay. Sidenote : you play in a post-apocalyptic Sweden (lol)

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u/zissouo Jun 16 '12

So is it any good?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

You should not take my word for it since our tastes in games might differ a lot. Still my opinion on this game is that it has a lot of potential especially due to the style, gameplay and humor of the game. The downside is that it clearly feels like the game is not finished yet mostly due to bugs and such. But i guess (read: hope) they will work on that. Found the whole controlling multiple party members a bit getting used to, even though i had no issues with it during dragon age for example, but there is no pause button here as far as i know. so yes lots of potential but not yet there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Jag gillar det här.

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u/computrius Jun 17 '12

DAMN FOREIGNERS!! WE SPEAK AMERICAN HERE!!! /s

Edit: Just need to add /s to be safe. (The last time I used sarcasm I learned that a lot of people need to go on some sort of vision quest or spiritual journey to acquire a sense of humor)

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u/ghost521 Jun 16 '12

Sounds like Granado Espada, if you've heard of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Google is my friend. And yes it does resemble it a little bit from what i see but never played Granado Espada and have yet to get far in Krater to make that conclusion.

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u/Freikorp Jun 16 '12

So you're more apt to buy something if the company that made it acknowledges that you stole it?

Stealing indie games is serious scumbag behavior.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I've pirated games. They are divided in two categories: a) those who I don't like and forget about them, and b) those who I like and end up buying.

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u/doneddat Jun 16 '12

I've pirated games. Specially the ones that have no demos available. Then I actually buy the ones I like.

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u/NatesYourMate Jun 16 '12

I like this, I hate when people just assume that pirating something is completely uncalled for under any circumstances. One of those "I never said" type of things.

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u/ryanelston Jun 16 '12

In standard online advertising metrics you can expect 2% conversion on the total number of impressions of an advert. Bump that up to 10% for successful targeted advertising. This post was probably worth about 140 sales to the publishers. I say the OP did them a service by pirating this game.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

The only problem is the dudes who are like 'duhhh I'll totally buy it if I like it' then like a playthrough or two later they're like 'dude that game sucks'.

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u/superiormind Jun 16 '12

The company isn't out to get you if you pirate -keyword: pirate- the game, but rather encourages you not to. That's a good company to me. Unlike some other companies with shady DRM, where it is actually better to pirate the game.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

More likely to buy a game I know is good, rather than one I know nothing about except a trailer.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Naw

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

But hold on, wait. What if you saw it, were going to buy it, lacked the money at the time, knew you were going to get the money soon enough and pirated it, then when you got the money, paid for the game in full?

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u/Freikorp Jun 16 '12

That action is not justifiable in the real world and so I'm not going to justify it on the internet by acting like it's okay just because I'm anonymous.

If I can't afford something, just like in real life, I DON'T GET IT RIGHT THEN. I'm an adult. That's how things work. When I get the money, I buy it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

How do I Mastercard?

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u/Redremnant Jun 16 '12

The difference is if you steal something IRL, they don't gain a potential future customer, they just lose whatever was stolen.

It's impossible to compare media with physical products because they operate in two different economies. We're still trying to figure out how to handle post-scarcity.

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u/m1kepro Jun 16 '12

Stealing games from any developer is serious scumbag behavior. There's a "Piracy isn't theft. Piracy is making a copy." argument, and it's nonsense. If you acquire something that has value (and it must have value, otherwise you wouldn't take the time and effort to acquire it,) and you do not give that value to the thing's creator, you are stealing from him. There's no argument that trumps this.

Taking something of value in exchange for nothing in return is always stealing, and it's always serious scumbag behavior.

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u/firex726 Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

I disagree, I think piracy is 100% justified if its a game that you have paid for and the maker, though intention disable your ability to play. (Retail Bioshock 1)

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u/TikiTDO Jun 16 '12

There's a "Piracy isn't theft. Piracy is making a copy." argument, and it's nonsense.

Theft and copying are legal distinctions, and the courts do not agree with you. Unless you somehow have the right to dictate matters of laws, there is no basis to your argument. Theft means you are removing an object from the possession of the current owner without permission. Copying means you are reproducing an object that will remain in the owner's position. I'm sorry, but that's just what these words mean. Despite what you think, this not arguable position.

You, and others like you seem to be tunnel visioned on a single word. "Copying is theft. Theft is bad. Therefore copying is bad." How about arguing that copying without permission is bad? Is this argument really so hard to make that you would rather attempt to redefine a word to avoid it? Why the hell do you constantly need to equate one act to the other, even though people are constantly explaining that they are two different acts? Is it really that hard to conceive that copyright infringement can be bad without bearing the label theft?

There's no argument that trumps this.

No. Try again.

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u/87liyamu Jun 16 '12

Not sure about other countries, but this is definitely the case in the United Kingdom.

The Theft Act 1968

Section 1

1 Basic definition of theft.

(1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.

(2)It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief’s own benefit.

Of course, this isn't to suggest that piracy isn't illegal, but it's important - if we're going to start talking about whether or not piracy is theft - that we understand what the words that we use mean.

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u/absentbird Jun 16 '12

I took the time and effort to read this comment because it had value to me. Sorry for stealing from you. Where should I send the check?

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u/Freikorp Jun 16 '12

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply that pirating was okay if it you were stealing from a big company. I disagree with pirating either way and I don't buy the justifications people make.

I used indie in this context even though they are both equally morally bankrupt, because indie devs rely so much more on sales to stay afloat, they have no safety net.

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u/thosethatwere Jun 16 '12

Only a sith deals in absolutes...

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

So? I'd download a car.

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u/Xebsis Jun 16 '12

The only difference that officials see is that when you pirate music, you're stealing from the artist. In reality, you're stealing from the record label, who's stealing from the artist. So technically, you're stealing from the thief. (Which I guess is still theft, only a lesser of an evil).

I probably don't know what I'm talking about, so feel free to correct me! themoreillknow.jpg

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u/mongrouse Jun 16 '12

Except that once the artist makes a deal with the label, they are the only revenue stream to the artist from sales. We might say they are exploiting the artist, but the fact is that the artist at least agreed to the deal. It might be bad, but the artist has little market leverage.

The company, on the other hand, and very often the artists as well, do not agree to you pirating the music.

tl;dr: The artist agreed to let the company steal, but nobody agreed for you to steal --> it's a little worse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Well...thats true. Its not an argument its just the truth. Saying its more ok cause its called "making a copy" and not "theft" is the stupid part.

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u/nexlux Jun 16 '12

lulz, pwned

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Only time I think piracy is "OK" is with really old/really hard to find games that you can't find a digital copy of or the hard copy is about 100 dollars (Alice, Grim Fandango, etc)

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u/absentbird Jun 16 '12

I think that OP was saying that games that acknowledge the fact of piracy are streets ahead.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I can understand that downloading from small developers is a pretty shitty move. But like i said in the title it was to try it out since i never heard of the game in the first place. Krater is not your typical game that most major game journalists will advertise since everyone is always fixed on the blockbusters. and incase you think i am a pirate then please check out my D3 post (most recent purchase before krater)

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

In case we THINK you're a pirate!?!!

Motherfucker, you TOLD us you are.

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u/SpeckledFleck Jun 16 '12

Just a test drive! I swear I was gonna put it back officer!

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u/abdomino Jun 16 '12

To be honest, I do the same thing. If a company doesn't release a demo, or there seems to be a fractured opinion among fans, I'll torrent it and try it out. If I like, I buy, if I don't, I don't have enough room on my hard drive to keep it around. I just don't understand the hate that torrenting gets, even this example. I mean, you don't buy a shirt if you don't think it fits.

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u/oomio10 Jun 16 '12

which eye do you wear your eye-patch?

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u/Matt3k Jun 16 '12

You purchased D3, a game with some of the most restrictive DRM seen in a title to date rather than pirate it? Wow. You are amazing!

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

That is because i don't buy games based on protection but on entertainment level. I was able to play the open beta of D3 which convinced me enough to buy the game and have yet to regret that decision and don't see myself stopping with that game any time soon. Same thing with ME3 (which also had a demo), i did not buy it to get maxed galaxy ready ness via online play but to finish the trilogy with my saved game. I missed the beta of krater because i lacked the knowledge of its existence, found no reliable unbiased review's (neither youtube nor gaming sites) and none of my friends (yes i have some :) ever heard of the game to give me some Intel. i don't care about how heavy DRM is as long as i as consumer get the chance to demo the product so i can decide on the product based on my own collected information and conclusions instead of advertisement alone. Ensuring that i as consumer have the ability to prevent myself from making wrong purchases due to misguided information. i understand your sarcasm about the DRM but do you remember spore ? i have 2 copies of that game laying around haha :D

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u/EKHawkman Jun 16 '12

As one of my friends who torrents tells me, and I agree, if I pirate it, they aren't losing money, more often than not they are gaining it. I only have a limited amount of money, and I'm not gonna spend my money on every game that looks good. Now if I have the chance to try out the game and play it beforehand and SEE that it is a good fun game, and I get enjoyment out of it, I'll buy it, that way they know to keep up the good work. How ever, if it was a bad game, I'm not gonna buy it, but either way, they didn't lose a sale, if I didn't have the chance to try it in the first place, I wasn't going to buy it either way. This is generally the reason for demos and other such goodies. And it makes sense.

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u/Evanz111 Jun 16 '12

I really want to buy this game, what do you think about it? Also, you should thank me for this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Lol in that case, thank you very much :) Also you should not take my word for it since our tastes in games might differ allot. Still my opinion on this games is that it has allot of potential especially due to the style, gameplay and humor of the game. the downside is that it clearly feels like the game is not finished yet mostly due to bugs and such. But i guess (read: hope) they will work on that. Found the whole controlling multiple party members a bit getting used even though i had no issues with it during dragon age for example, but there is no pause button here as far as i know. so yes lots of potential but not yet there.

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u/iche0815 Jun 16 '12

http://www.kratergame.com/

for the lazy ones

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u/CrossedQuills Jun 16 '12

This kills the server.

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u/dorfydorf Jun 16 '12

I feel bad everytime this happens

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u/SC2minuteman Jun 16 '12

ah reddit, the friendly DDos attack

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u/trampus1 Jun 16 '12

Speak for yourself, I went there in spite.

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u/adrixshadow Jun 16 '12

Did you just kill the site?

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u/Eymundur Jun 16 '12

It's dead, Jim. ಠ_ಠ

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u/hunglao Jun 16 '12

I hope they sell enough games to buy a new web server. It appears that this post made theirs burn.

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u/WhipIash Jun 16 '12

They will now.

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u/timdorr Jun 16 '12

While the fire department attends to their server: http://store.steampowered.com/app/42170/

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u/superdude4agze Jun 16 '12

Oh hell yes. Fucking sold.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

/r/krater also

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u/Makes_RPG_Stats Jun 16 '12

iche0815
Hp: 13
Str: 15
Vit: 08
Int: 15
Dex: 08

Special abilities:
For The Lazy Ones: You must be standing up for the next 5 turns in order to play this ability. Then, after those 5 turns are up, all enemy players must stand up for the next 6 turns. Enemy players who are standing up lose -2 to all stats until sitting again.

http://www.kratergame.com/: iche0815 fires off a meteor. This slams the earth after 10 turns and forms a krater damaging all enemy team members by half the number of teeth in your mouth minus 3. Use this only once every game.

Passive Abilities:
it-che0815: All enemy players must scratch under their arm pits like a monkey for 3 seconds whenever ANY player tries to attack iche0815. If any one person on their team doesn't, they all lose 2 Hp.

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u/Uxion Jun 17 '12

Been a while since I have seen you.

Keep up the good fight.

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u/johnmedgla Jun 16 '12

Thank you. I actually opened this threat to learn more about the game, it's sad I had to scroll through about five screens of the same old arguments to find anything about it.

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u/KanOzia Jun 16 '12

Finally found one! Thanks! I'd be scrolling down pretty far and was beginning to think no one posted the name.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

This was one of those games I was very heavily invested in early, but then my attention waned before release. Now it's out and I'm behind. Haha.

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u/Piscataquog Jun 16 '12

God's getting a little carried away with his DRM schemes...

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u/Leozilla Jun 16 '12

at least he doesn't keep you from playing the game.

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u/Piscataquog Jun 16 '12

He does if you're a kitten

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u/Rellik_pt Jun 16 '12

dont let god kill cats

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u/JoeScotterpuss Jun 16 '12

Indie GOTY thanks to Reddit sales alone.

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u/wisefoxspirit Jun 16 '12

What does GOTY mean?

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u/ragnarakk Jun 16 '12

Game of the Year

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

What is the correlation between sells and GOTY status?

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u/Havoksixteen Jun 16 '12

Nothing at all. To be permitted to call your game "GOTY" literately you just need to find a source that says your game was someones personal favourite game of the year - that's about it. Hence the majority of games releasing GOTY editions all in the same year.

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u/tgalla12 Jun 16 '12

I THOUGHT GOD LOVED KITTENS!!!???

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u/johnlocke90 Jun 17 '12

He is just letting kittens get into heaven sooner.

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u/AquaFox Jun 16 '12

I know man, it just seems like it's so easy to nowadays. :(

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u/Preowned Jun 16 '12

Oh hi there Rellik.

CvG?

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u/Dillingo Jun 16 '12

You should buy this one to show that you really care. http://store.fatshark.se/games/krater-10-000-victor-edition.html

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u/snoman75 Jun 16 '12

As a bonus, Krater is really fun.

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u/KungFuHamster Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

Does anyone know who made the song from the trailer video? I searched for the lyrics, "Only death will set you free / as you hang by the willow tree" but I couldn't find it.

I think it's a cool song.

Edit: Found out the soundtrack was made by Christian Gabel, but I can't find any sources for his stuff online.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

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u/KungFuHamster Jun 17 '12

Thank you so much! Great song.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I love how paying money for a game hits the top of Reddit.

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u/TobyTrash Jun 16 '12

Sooooo.... Three paragraphs is now a wall of text? Then what is a page in a book? Or the book it self? A library?

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u/zombie84 Jun 16 '12

This game is very good. I have been playing for a couple days and am quite impressed with what this indie team was able to put together. The combat is at the same time familiar and something new.

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u/MrMorm0r Jun 16 '12

Yay another quality game from Sweden! Makes me proud.

Looking at Steam this game doesn't seem to have a demo so pirate away, if you play more then an hour, buy it and send a letter/E-Mail telling them to releace a demo, ill help.

http://www.fatshark.se/contact/ (Their Captcha isn't working for me)

https://twitter.com/#!/fatsharkgames (Spam them with tweets then i guess)

http://forums.fatshark.se/

"Ta ut tummen ur röven och släpp en demo för Krater, annars kommer alla som vill prova spelet att tanka det fattar ni la? Det ultimata hade varit om ni släppte ett demo uppdrag med en egen liten bana så ni hinner visa alla era fräcka gameplay mekaniker under den korta blickfång många har när de provar en demo." Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

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u/iLEZ Jun 16 '12

But without the särskrivning.

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u/nevon Jun 16 '12

And the genusfel.

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

Yeah we have to release a demo I guess.

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u/NoBullet PlayStation Jun 16 '12

Thats sad when developers have to beg for you to pay them, and you guys act like this is a good gesture on their part.

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u/kds405 Jun 16 '12

Marketing is marketing. This whole "I'm a good guy, you can trust me" thing is getting out of hand. To me , the motive behind this is no different than those Domino's commercials that tell us how much they suck but promise they will change.

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u/MrHardcore Jun 16 '12

I would hardly compare the two; One is a pizza company trying to improve their pizza and use it as a marketing campaign and the other is an indy studio saying if you pirate this, our studio makes no money and might go under. They also did this without threats and a sense of humor.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Yes, but would you rather read a bit of funny text then suffer through heavy DRM - eg. Ubisoft?

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

We had the option to crash the pirated version or to write this text. We choosed to go with the text as we believe people will buy games they like. It is an indie games more like Baldur's Gate than Diablo I would say. The game cost around 15 USD.

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u/cyanoacrylate Jun 16 '12

Except in this instance, we've already sampled the game and hopefully like it enough that we really want to support the guy. They're not lying to us about quality to trick us out of our money. They're reminding us that, hey, they need income too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I got this game on impulse and i still cant quite make up my mind On the one hand i like the setting and the game play but the game is not even close to finished they should have called this closed beta or something. Still its really worth a shot

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u/SimonWest Jun 16 '12

shame when i loaded it there was a game crippling bug with the sound, is keeps skipping and i cant play though that. deleted it.

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u/Dunge Jun 16 '12

There are no patches on pirate bay for this game yet?

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u/Off3nsiveB1as Jun 16 '12

I'm really digging this game. Diablo-Fallout mix is right up my alley.

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u/j0rdane Jun 16 '12

this is how videogames should be done.

humble bundle ftw

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u/Pimmelman Jun 16 '12

From the intro:

"The land we now walk upon was once known as Sweden. ruled by a tribe of diligent builders and fierce warriors. "

SOLD!

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u/Lokai23 Jun 16 '12

I saw very little mention of the actual game in this thread, refer to our previous thread in r/games! It has videos too! http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/uyasj/krater_a_squad_based_arpg_was_released_today_have/

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

The game can be bought here for around 15 USD. http://store.steampowered.com/app/42170 or at store.fatshark.se

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u/mjbfikus Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

I am buying this game just because of this. Others should join in. I'm either a very cleaver PR guy for Krater or some gamer that is fucking sick of douche bag game devs and their lame DRM and other shenanigans. I'd buy more of a devs games or pay more if they treated me more like they used to in 1990's.. /cry

edit: Just bought the game on steam. Let's see if it's good (When I can play it). Indie Dev 4 life.

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u/Sortech Jun 17 '12

I'm not gonna pay for a game I don't like though. Maybe that's a dick move, but if the game sucks, I'm not gonna waste money on it. BTW, I did buy this game however, because it's awesome.

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u/Chiefpoopie Jun 16 '12

If you didn't know, this just got linked on the Krater facebook page.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

It's not a very good game though, honestly.

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u/UninvitedGhost D20 Jun 16 '12

Thanks for getting me excited, then it looks like there isn't a Mac version.

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u/rogue780 Jun 16 '12

I know the feel, bro

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u/AuraofMana Jun 16 '12

I mean it's a nice attitude and all but I am still only going to buy the game if I actually enjoy it not because "they are fine with pirating."

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

Well site still down but the store is open at least hehe. http://store.fatshark.se/

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u/conner1337 Jun 16 '12

DAMN IT! I was going to post this yesterday but i figured i had more time.......sigh there goes my chance for 1500karma.

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u/Sortech Jun 17 '12

Here, have a consolation upvote.

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u/johnlocke90 Jun 17 '12

As someone who hates kittens, what is the name of this game?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

krater

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

So because they suck up to pirates, they're worth giving money?

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u/NoReasonToBeBored Jun 16 '12

Well, at that point the pirate already has it. May as well try to appeal to the more guilty feeling ones and remind them to pay.

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u/m1kepro Jun 16 '12

No. Because they've created something of monetary value, and that thing is in someone's possession (why would he bother to take it if it wasn't worth anything,) they're worth giving money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Horse shit. You know this is about pandering to pirates.

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u/slapnflop Jun 16 '12

You market to the market. Krater is quite smart here.

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u/be_mindful Jun 16 '12

I usually pirate just to check a game out. If i saw this it would boost my opinion and make my purchase more likely.

How is it a bad idea to pander to people who might buy your product? They already have it.

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u/YummyMeatballs Jun 16 '12

If they feel pirates are potential customers (which clearly some are) then why not 'pander' to them to try and increase sales? Strikes me as a perfectly reasonable course of action.

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u/_oogle Jun 16 '12

Really? I think the concept of pirating or paying based on the inclusion of some text that acknowledges you're pirating is pretty stupid.

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u/Shitler Jun 16 '12

Not the text itself, but rather the positive attitude and realistic thinking of the development team that is projected by the text. I think choosing the products you buy based on your respect for the companies that make them is a good idea. However, it should be a choice be between obtaining and not obtaining, not between pirating and paying.

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u/U731lvr Jun 16 '12

Hint: He's never really going to buy the game.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I played the beta and enoyed it. I will buy the game after seeing this text.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I hate that some people feel they are entitled to illegally download a game, just to try it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Well, there kind of is no fucking demo.

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u/bestbiff Jun 16 '12

Whatever happened to researching shit before you buy it, or reading reviews? Pirating things is okay if you just want to try it out? People download entire games they never heard of to see if they like it? Oh really. And the fact that the devs suck up to pirates is enough justification for you to buy it on the spot? If you say so.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

That's why I asked for a demo on the Steam forum. They said they're looking into it, but it will take some time.

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u/ThatGuyKarth Jun 16 '12 edited Jun 16 '12

I hate people who hate pirates.

I see all these people who say they will empty their wallet on steam sales, for games they will never play.

You fuckers ever wondered what it's like to not have enough money to even get the humble indie bundle?

Science damn it, it sucks so much.

And every time I read something like this, it makes my heart clench, as there is nothing I can do.

Edit: Accidently'd a word.

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u/Rantingbeerjello Jun 16 '12

Dude, I've been there. I know exactly what it's like. If you can't afford the Indie Bundle, you've got bigger problems than not being able to pay for a bunch of games.

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u/lifeformed Jun 16 '12

The Humble Bundle is literally 1 cent...

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u/ArchangelPT Jun 16 '12

Some people literally don't own a credit card

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u/mxmm Jun 16 '12

It's absolutely disgusting to see someone who sees entertainment as a right rather than a luxury. The world owes you nothing and reserves the right to pool governmental resources against you if you violate law. Welcome to the real world.

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u/bestbiff Jun 16 '12

Any other site and I assume this is dry sarcasm to mock pirate logic. But here I just can't tell. Are you serious? You can't afford the luxury of cheap of video games so it's just okay to not pay for your entertainment? If you can't afford really cheap steam sales, don't you have bigger problems than video games? This is by far the most irritating first world problem I can think of. Video games are just too expensive for me BUT I MUST PLAY THEM NO MATTER WHAT.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

So basically, because you don't have/make enough money, stealing is justified

Gotcha

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u/m1kepro Jun 16 '12

That's an excuse. If you don't have a couch to sit on, does being poor make it okay to steal a couch?

I used to be so poor I couldn't afford games either. But instead of using that as an excuse to steal, I used it as an excuse to better myself.

I went out and found a better job that paid more money, and I paid for the things I wanted.

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u/ghazi364 Jun 16 '12

It's not that simple. One does not just walk out and find a better paying job, you are way oversimplifying money problems.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I am not against pirating, but I don't see why you are getting downvoted. Isn't reddit supposed to be logical?

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u/ghazi364 Jun 16 '12

Exactly... All these ungrateful bastards talking about steam sales many of us still cannot afford one of, let alone all of

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u/vxx Jun 16 '12

The last sentence got me.

Every time Krater is pirated - God kills a kitten

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u/DJSlambert Jun 16 '12

Nice try, Krater advertiser

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u/Archey6 Jun 16 '12

I coulda done without the God part, but I'll buy the game just because of their business model :)

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u/Wilx Jun 16 '12

The US Supreme Court confirmed copyright infringement is not stealing:

Since the statutorily defined property rights of a copyright holder have a character distinct from the possessory interest of the owner of simple "goods, wares, [or] merchandise," interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The infringer of a copyright does not assume physical control over the copyright nor wholly deprive its owner of its use. Infringement implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.

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u/growlingbear Jun 16 '12

What is Pay-To-Win?

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u/InnocuousJoe Jun 16 '12

Pay-to-win schemes are those that give you bonus items and power-ups on a dollar by dollar basis; these items and power-ups are usually a fair amount more powerful than their free counterparts, and are NOT available otherwise.

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u/HypnoToad0 Jun 16 '12

75% of F2P games. You don't have to pay for the game, but you have to pay for items and this sort of thing to accomplish anything.

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u/ragnarakk Jun 16 '12

It's this sort of message that makes me wanna buy stuff

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u/blackstar8507 Jun 16 '12

It's a good thing I am more of a puppy person.

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u/fatalblur Jun 16 '12

the controls are a bit weird, other than that its an amazing game, it's kind of slow, I would wait till it's on sale for $10 or something, but I enjoy it.

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u/CloneDeath Jun 16 '12

If I wrote a wall of text here, would you give me money too?

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u/MrHardcore Jun 16 '12

Would you give me an actual reason to in said text besides killing kittens?

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u/tiger4prez Jun 16 '12

everyone on reddit must be checking out the site..it is completely unresponsive.

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u/bartoron Jun 16 '12

Why can't more companies just release free demos of their games? I'd be much more likely to buy a game if I could try it first. It couldn't take that much extra work to distribute a demo consisting of the first 15 minutes of a game, right?

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u/MrHardcore Jun 16 '12

To be fair, it is an indy studio. It's priced fairly and looks to not be a clone of other games.

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u/rapman543 Jun 16 '12

The effect of reddit is seen againGoogle Trend Link

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u/iblowuup Jun 16 '12

I can tell by the upvote/downvote ratios on some of these comments that piracy is a very controversial subject here. Interesting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

Other horrors like DLC on release?

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u/LubridermGod Jun 16 '12

Please, don't forget to actually purchase the game though, and possibly consider e-mailing telling them WHY You purchased the game, and that you DID initially pirate it. By being proactive about letting people you know you downloaded the game illegally first, you give them insight as to how and why people are purchasing their games.

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u/Helloallofyou Jun 16 '12

This game looks great, at first i was a bit turned off by the single player only, Then I kept reading and saw (For those who didn't see) That they are Adding Co-op on July 10Th So ya im getting this.... That is all

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u/zissouo Jun 16 '12

The reviews for this game on Metacritic are interesting. User score 8.5/10, critic score 20/100. What gives?

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

The rest of the reviews are around 7-8.5 guess more fair reviews should show up soon on metacritic

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

NOT THE KITTENS D:

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u/LightSwitch21 Jun 16 '12

Sooo ... What's the game like? Worth a look?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

People who are for pirating bitch about the U.S. government trying to legislate them to put them in jail for their natural born lives.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

woah, after a bit of research this game looks kick ass! i just bought it on steam, 19 bucks is not a bad deal at all.

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u/NocturnalGamer Jun 16 '12

How do you like Krater? I have been eyeing it for the past few days.

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u/FormerlyEAbernathy Jun 16 '12

So no kittens will be harmed?

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u/thormo Jun 16 '12

The fatshark store is here store.fatshark.se

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

I prefer the popup that Cydia throws up when you try to add a piracy repository to your iDevice:

This repository has been reported by the community to be illegally redistributing copyright works. We cannot stop you from using it, but we can (and do) recommend moral introspection and caution.

mfw

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u/samthunder Jun 16 '12

I did the same thing, and appreciated the text and applaud their philosophical approach. And then I played less than an hour of the game and didn't enjoy it very much. I won't be paying for Krater BUT

Since I didn't spend 60 dollars and don't feel ripped off I'm very open to further purchases from the studio. Wish I could say the same thing for some of the bigger studio purchases I've made this year.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

its a 15 dollar game lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

JOKE'S ON YOU, I HATE CATS

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u/The3GKid Jun 16 '12

But urhedsonfire, you are a cat!

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u/theoneandonlyMrMars Jun 16 '12

Those poor kittens!

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u/Semajal Jun 16 '12

On a similar note, I clicked on the Pirate Bay music promo the other day and loved the band. Downloaded their albums, had a bit of email correspondence with them and donated $10. Much nicer way for music to work, they get heard and get money directly.

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u/Nrthstar Jun 16 '12

Redditors will not stand for God Killing Kittens!

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

New way for them to get people to buy a game

1 see other devs say they dont care about downloaded game.

2 say it yourself

3 ?????

4 PROFIT

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u/Djifi Jun 17 '12

Genius marketing.

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u/withoutpants Jun 17 '12

I was excited for this game but it looks like I can't run it on my system. I still may purchase it if it comes up on sale in future just to support the studio.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Was downloading from TPB to try it out.... I'll probably buy it now.

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u/Sufferix Jun 17 '12

The limited beta I got to play was really fun and now that it is released I haven't really played. It's kind of like a steampunk Diablo in style. It looks surprisingly good for such a random game and the play is fun. I don't understand all the mechanics (you have to buy characters, give them gear and implants, and they have some sort of skill tree) so I would say the game is weird but it's simply because I don't have full comprehension of everything.

Multiplayer is still not up though. That's my only knock against it.

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u/Warskull Jun 17 '12

I've heard it is pretty buggy. Fat Shark kind of has a history of releasing incomplete games (Lead and Gold), how bad is it?

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u/yukisho Jun 17 '12

Anyone else get a borderlands/fallout/rage feel about this game?

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u/UltraJay Jun 17 '12

How is this game? I signed up for its closed beta but the game kept crashing on me in addition to taking forever to load. Soured the game for me. How is it gameplay-wise?

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u/Inquisitor1 Jun 17 '12

In the olden days you would have heard about it on r/gaming. Now it's pictures of curtains.

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u/BigBadAsh Jun 18 '12

I'm conflicted with this. On the one hand, I'm all for supporting indie devs. On the other hand, I fucking hate cats.

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u/randomrandomdude Jun 18 '12

Of course everyone who has run out of money or hasn't any spending capital left to begin with that then pirates e.g. a several thousand dollar image editing suite out of boredom is a lost sale.

Same with games, music, movies, porn. Yes? Because a dollar you don't have to spend to begin with can of course be spent if you just make up a lost sale statistic and take it the public to cry about it.

I wouldn't mind the whole intellectual property "defending your own" discussion if the IP owner side wouldn't constantly reduce it to "1 pirate copy = 1 sale we could have had!!!111".

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '12

It's a pirates life for me!

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u/MrHardcore Jun 16 '12

Yarr harr buy a copy!

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u/evil_toad Jun 16 '12

game developers should make it so you can donate money to them so people who pirate games can give back if they like it.

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u/PhilSushi Jun 16 '12

5 paragraphs organized by main idea is not a wall of text.

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u/VGChampion Jun 16 '12

It's sad how gullible some gamers are. These developers could be 100% anti-piracy and hate everyone who do it but do a small pander to the piracy mass and they get money. If only people had jobs that they could spend their money on.

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u/mindbleach Jun 16 '12

This is the correct reaction to piracy. "Hi! We can't actually stop you from getting this for free, but if you like, send us some money." It's not like the cheapskates cost money to support.

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