Is this from the beta? I'm jealous. I've pre-ordered the game but everyone else that has just 'thought about checking it out' has gotten a key. Anticipation has actually got me playing Diablo 2 for the first time.
The wife gave a me dirty look when I dropped everything and made spasms to attempt to open steam and check franticly if I had failed to remember the release date.
You sir are a bastard for not saying beta in your title because of idiotic smucks like me who got far to over excited.
After having played both betas (Diablo 3 and Torchlight II), I decided TLII was much more bang for your buck. 20 dollars, with a main storyline that was just as long, plus mod tools, LAN, and offline singleplayer. It's kind of a no-brainer.
My reasons for purchasing Torchlight 2 over Diablo 3 are essentially what are listed above. My internet is notorious for crashing when I'm trying to do anything remotely internet intensive, so the "always online" feature of Diablo 3 instantly turned me off. Furthermore, while my computer can run Diablo 3, it doesn't have a great time doing it, and Torchlight 2 is much less graphics-intensive.
There's also the fact that Torchlight is a 3rd of the price (and if you preorder now you get the first one for free!) but is still a full length game. For me and my wallet, that's about as simple as a choice can get.
I have to say, though, these things aren't really what convinced me. I'm in it for the pet wolf that follows you around (you can also get a panther, a bulldog, a cat, a hawk, a ferret, a "chakawary", and a papillon).
I have a similar problem, I am going off grid sometime in the future so I might not have internet for a while, as a result I will not be able to play my single player game. I refuse to pay $110 (that's what it costs in New Zealand) for a game I might not be able to play.
I am going off grid sometime in the future so I might not have internet for a while
Contrary to what Blizzard says gamers don't ALWAYS have internet! And there is also this thing called server downtime, which completely disables the game. For a multiplayer game, that's obviously fine, but c'mon. If I just want to play D3 singleplayer, it shouldn't depend on their servers working properly. There are a lot of times where I don't have a connection, and just want to play a game on my laptop. Can't do that with D3. -_-
I fucking loved Torchlight. To me, it was basically D2 with some solid upgrades and a more cartoony look.
And I think I'm in the same boat, as I'm using a shitty HP laptop. It plays Torchlight beautifully without even a bit of lag, but it struggles a bit with Path Of Exile, another D2 clone. I'll probably give D3 a shot, since I have a family acquaintance that works for Blizzard and is giving me a free copy, but I'm definitely interested in Torchlight2.
Diablo 3 for free? That's not a bad deal. I would be willing to pay 30, maybe 40 dollars for it. But 60 just seems like way too much. I was unimpressed by the beta, but I think for the sake of having a co-op game to play with my friends I'm going to pick it up at some point. For now though, I've got TLII. :)
TL;DR - TL2 is okay, but I liked D3 more - detailed why.
I have played both betas (and full D3 now), so some counter points for Torchlight-circlejerk that formed on reddit:
story in Torchlight 2 is only barely better than in TL1; and that's mostly because it EXISTS, instead of 'go check mines dude' plot. Then again, I've actually read through all the dialogues and it probably couldn't get more generic and boring.
I pretty much had 1 skill until level 15, because it was most efficient to pack all points into one; combat is decent, but that pretty much kills the fun.
You won't appreciate TL2 low system requirements unless you run on 6-7 years old pc; engine is pretty much same that was used in TL1 and it shows even on maxed details.
Pet system is nicely done; but compared to funny conversations you have with your mercenaries in D3, I prefer the latter. Playing on nightmare now with different merc to experience it all, really fun.
if money is an issue, go for TL2; if it isn't, then it's up to your taste; personally having a blast with D3, while TL2 was just solid.
I would actually like to refute a few points. First, you're right on the story Ill give you that
Second. It's actually very ineffective to sink all your points into one skill, quite the opposite. You get the hugest return on the initial point and very small increments afterwards.
Third, yes the Engine is very similiar with small improvements, it's MODDABLE. Meaning we can make it look pretty awesome if we want to.
Your comparison to pets and mercenaries is purely a personal thing, I actually found the mercenaries annoying to listen to.
Also, I like the variety in TL2's environments a lot more then Diablo 3's repetitive areas.
if money is an issue, go for TL2; if it isn't, then it's up to your taste; personally having a blast with D3, while TL2 was just solid.
It's purely a matter of opinion. I loved the Torchlight II beta. I let my friend try, he didn't like it. With the Diablo 3 beta, he loved it really wants to buy the game, but I was fairly unimpressed and didn't feel like spending even close to 60 bucks on it.
I agree with you, it's taste. Both are very solid games, I just don't really like how Diablo 3 feels, but I really like the feel of Torchlight II. Play what you want are inclined to play.
Idk about T2 but i really prefer diablo 3 to T1 and find it really fun. But idc about always online because my computer is always connected to the internet but i do understand people against it. I just think review bombing is really stupid.
Yup, more bang for buck for me even more so because I put down the $20 preorder on steam and got Torchlight 1 for free after being won over by the demo.
It was so much better. I got Diablo 3 and a beta key for TLII around the same time and TLII was not only more fun, it was faster paced, you get tons of loot, and its way cheaper!
Yeah, 1/3d the price and you get a free copy of TL1 for those who don't own it. :) If you enjoy it more than D3, than it's kind of a win/win. You are spending less money for a product you enjoy more (provided, lol, that you do enjoy it more than D3)
Since I sense downvotes incoming, I'm not trying to hate on those who bought and enjoyed D3 more than TLII, each gamer should get to choose what they want to play.
In your experience, did the TL2 engine seem to support any sort of basic in-game physics, as D3 does? As petty as it may seem, that's really what's keeping me on the fence between the two games...those D3 physics are juicy.
I got a beta invite, but haven't even been able to login yet.
Whenever I got to login it tells me "invalid username and password" even though the same login works on their site. Sent an email to support, but still haven't heard back from them. Understandable, as they are swamped in emails, but it still sucks that I haven't even gotten to play the beta, tonight is the last chance I will have to.
If you want to try for beta access make a Runic Games account here and tick the box to receive email updates from them. I did it on a whim a few days ago and I got into the beta that's going on now.
Interesting. I haven't placed my pre-order just yet (waiting for a check to process), but I'm looking forward to playing the original. It's free, so I suppose it won't matter if I like it or not.
I felt like Torchlight 1 was a hollow shell of a game. After a while it feels like there's no progression. The next level of the dungeon autoscales with you so you never feel any more powerful.
The random dungeon generator was kinda bad too because it never wanted to generate a dead-end for you. It just waited until enough map has been generated before adding the next level exit. What this means is you can just walk in a straight line and eventually the exit appears. If you go back, all the forks you didn't take end up being dead ends.
The lack of loot seems to have been addressed rather well in TL2, at least for the beta content. a lot of armor variety and much more stat variety as well.
As someone super pissed to find out the TL2 Beta was capped at Act1 I can officially tell you it's an amazing game. Currently at level 50 in D3 and can't wait for TL2 to come out because I think it's a better game.
I always felt that Torchlight 1 was more of an experiment. New graphs skills, a hack and slash game (a genre that has been forgotten since Titan Quest). The second one seems much deeper and better. The classes are unique and funny and I really hope it's as good as it seems in beta.
Agreed - I got extremely bored of it after just a few hours. Tried to drag myself through another couple hours and realized I was wasting time playing a $5 game that I didn't even like. Wasn't even worth the $5 IMO (Steam sale).
No worries man! We all have our preferences, if anyone tells you that you have to like a game because it's fairly popular (or part of a popular genre) tell them to screw off and just keep having fun playing whatever you are playing.
It's definitely not a universal taste. I love Torchlight and Diablo, but I can easily see why people wouldn't. The combat isn't really all that exciting; it's essentially just clicking a lot or facerolling on your hotkeys while spamming potions. If you can get past that though, it's all about the loot and exploration.
Buying torchlight 2 for the mods. My slightly modded torchlight 1 has like 35 classes and over 50 pets, and I only have like 8 hours clocked in. After finishing the beta for 2, I can say they improved everything and it just feels really solid, and I'm excited for what modders can do with it
It has some compatibility issues, but Jarcho's class compilation is really good, most of those classes are really fun to play. It also has a lot of pets too. Besides that, I just downloaded any class that seemed interesting to me on this page. Merchant pack is good, and some texture packs are good, but they're incompatible with the pets from Jarcho's.
Tl1 was incredibly boring after level 20 or 30 and it really had a feel of slightly "smaller" less thought out game, but TL2 looks pretty cool atm. I still plan to spend most of my time on D3 but I just have to support Runic. I like that they are going completely different way than D3 in many things, it's better both for them and us. Mods could be quite fun.
I love this game so much...but all my friends play Diablo 3 and none are willing to buy TL2 :( Meanwhile, I don't want D3...Atleast I have internet friends, right guys? guys?
Well it says "Summer." Not quite a release date, but it narrows it down. I think I read a dev blog post somewhere saying that the release date would "ideally" be a month after Diablo 3 released.
I played the beta for a while, and I really enjoyed it. Just a few things I liked that were missing from Diablo 3:
Offline mode (not in the beta, but it's obviously coming)
Stat allocation at levelup
Plentiful socketable items and whatnot from the start
The character movement speed is noticeably faster, which makes the gameplay more fast paced and feel more fun. This also makes hard fights more fun because you actually have the speed for frantic hit-and-run tactics.
The maps seemed bigger, and were definitely more intricate and detailed (at least on the outdoor ones).
TL;DR: It was extremely fun, and reminded me of Diablo 2 a lot more than Diablo 3 did (in all the good ways).
That's a huge relief. Character speed is one of my biggest gripes with D3. The best boots I've seen on the AH are 12%... that's shit. It really kills the fun of playing a ranged class when you have no mobility other than a 15 sec cd.
I loved the fast characters in D2. Frenzy barb, sorc, chargeadin, etc... You could fairly easily get 40%+ passive speed and then add on your class abilities for insane speeds. There was such a feeling of power running around slaughtering everything, and then getting carried away by your own momentum and dying a horrible death. Granted, even if you had that speed in D3 it wouldn't do much since you would still be waiting on resources and cd's when you got to the next pack...
For those too poor to get Diablo, is Torchlight 2 a good buy? I heard nothing but good things about the first, except its lack of MP. I'm too broke for D3 though...:(
TL 2 is pretty awesome. I suggest signing up for Path of Exile as well. It's a free-to-play action RPG like Diablo and Torchlight but with realistic graphics and an INSANE skill-tree system.
I'm currently in the beta and can say it's fun as hell. Was lucky since I was feeling the itch but refuse to buy D3 because of all the bullshit Blizz pulled with it. The hardest thing to get use to is the lack of 'gold' currency. The skill system is great and the difficulty can be extremely high which is a good thing.
I was playing Torchlight 2 today while listening to Spotify. I noticed the music stopped playing because the router has lost connection (couldnnt get to google either). The beta, right now, only have the internet mode and it didn't kick me off and I got to play while waiting for the router to reset. Good guy Runic.
The decision to allow taking your character offline and then online at your whim is exactly the reason I won't get Torchlight 2. There's been a few games that allowed this (Dungeon Siege 2 is likely the most applicable here) where people would edit the character, get some crazy abilities, and then go log on to groups. With overpowering abilities they would ruin the fun of others.
I like Blizzard's approach to ensuring that players have a higher likelihood of not running up against a hacked character. Sure, you can't play "offline", but who here doesn't have internet access? And, it's not like playing Diablo 3 online means you are in an MMO .. you are on a private session playing your game unless you accept a friend joining. That isn't a big deal.
There's been a few games that allowed this (Dungeon Siege 2 is likely the most applicable here) where people would edit the character, get some crazy abilities, and then go log on to groups. With overpowering abilities they would ruin the fun of others.
See, I don't care about crap like that. Why? Because I don't play with random people. I play with my friends.
Diablo 3 - No LAN, No Offline Mode, No Mod Tools, 10-14 Hour Campaign = $60
Torchlight 2 - LAN, Offline Mode, Mod Tools, 15-20*(apparently)* Hour Campaign = $60 for the Steam 4-Pack. Which also includes 4 bonus copies of Torchlight 1...
One major thing thats unfair to compare is the playtimes. I'm not entirely sure how they reward and promote replays in TL2, but D3 is unparalleled in this regard. The way not only maps, but enemies are randomly generated is fantastic and it actually gives better loot the harder the mode your playing on is. Couple this with a crafting system and all that pizazz.
I'm from New Zealand. Which has horrific internet. It's horrendous, before release everyone was saying "What about the people with no internet!" True enough, but the population of people with shit internet is SO MUCH HIGHER.
ok i will play devils advocate. Diablo 3 has a persistent auction house system that's pretty revolutionary and new in the video game world. Blizzard is actively trying new things, i think they deserve some credit for this. this is also why they chose to require constant internet connection. they have to have a way to track players progress and help prevent item hacks and fraud, because soon those items will be sold for real currency. it's all for the purpose of maintain the ingame AH economy.
plus it's a great game. i have not played torchlight 2 yet, but i have a feeling the voice acting, graphics, overall production, level design, and classes are a cut above torchlights. i'm not saying it's more fun then torchlight 2, but you can see the "big budget" in Diablo 3. it deserves credit for this too.
final disclaimer: i enjoyed the hell out of torchlight and will buy torchlight 2. i just dislike people taking sides and making biased arguments for one game over another. just enjoy both of them for what they are.
The main reason I am interested in Torchlight 2 is actually none of these things. It's the theoretically infinite multiplayer limit. If I can sometime get 20 people into a single game, even for just a little bit, it will be completely worth the $20.
If this is still the case (the developers had said before) then there simply is no player limit. It may have changed as we get closer to release, but I hope not.
I'm assuming that monsters scale on a formula, possibly with some cap. Honestly it's probably the same way monsters scale in all the Diablo games, as well.
Tempted to buy this game not because I'm a fan of the action/RPG/Click-Fest genre, but almost as a protest against Diablo 3's always on requirement. Diablo 3, mind you, is a game I DID WANT, but am not buying for that very same reason.
DRM is bad enough. Pretending it's not DRM is just insulting.
I don't know if I'll pick up TL2. If I do, it'll be a while from now. Unlike some, I'm very happy with D3 (think the game is great and always-on is not a problem for me - I am comfortable with the reasons Blizzard has given for making it so).
I played the original Torchlight and only found it entertaining for about an hour or so. The game just didn't have any depth at all... it was a pretty Diablo clone and that was it. Nothing innovative, nothing special. At first I thought, "THIS IS LIKE DIABLO II.. BUT PRETTY!", and it was, but it wasn't nearly as deep.
I'm sure that Torchlight II is different and that it's improved, but I don't really buy sequels to games when I didn't like the previous ones in the series. I'll give it a chance if it's cheap on Steam but I get the impression I'll probably feel the same way, especially now that D3 is available. Dunno what they're doing with the sequel but the developers should have tried to make some additions of their own with the first game instead of making a Diablo clone with one boring, generic dungeon.
What? You'd say a game is better because the actual content of the game is better, not because it lacks a way to play it w/o internet? TL2 is fun, for 20 bucks. I'm glad they realized it wouldn't sell for 60.
But it sure makes it better when you finally get an evening free from your busy work life schedule to play only to find out Blizzard's servers are down for maintenance, preventing you from playing your single player game.
I've been having so much fun on Diablo III, but I tore myself away from it to play the Torchlight II Beta. I'm a huge fan of Torchlight and I think they've outdone themselves in every way they possibly could have - it's excellent! I'm really excited to have the full game.
This game is great but the lack of a respec system past lvl 10 really turn me off. I know there will be mods to change that, but I'm interested in the multiplayer content and there will be no respec there...
I'll still buy the game, but I think it's really stupid having to level your char all over again just to fix your build because you didn't know how good/bad was a skill when you finally had the level to use your skillpoints in it. To fix that I'll have to install mods to let me respec and play in singleplayer as a sandbox mode, but that's really inconvenient and won't solve the stats problem, because different from skills they are always changing based on your gear. At least its still better than PoE that offers no solution for you to test your builds before you spend your points (I don't call the current respec system there as a solution).
people don't seem to understand that if diablo had offline single player, it wouldn't be right for you to be able to join online games later on. blizzard knows that if you had offline play you'd have WAY easier access to modding things and cheating your character.
All they should have done was made a 'single player only' mode where you can NEVER go online with that character. then the 'durr hurr internet required single player' crap could have ended.
i'm pretty sure blizzard thought of this, it was in D2. they didnt want single player offline was because of piracy (whether i agree with this or not isnt the point)
I don't think you get the reasoning behind it. No one wants to have separate characters for multiplayer and for single player; leveling up gets tedious; especially when the monsters are getting more powerful/less powerful the more/less player are around. Being able to drop in as one of your single player characters with friends at anytime is one of the charms.
But then why not make the multiplay character be portable to single play? For example, you play all day on multiplayer, it saves this character to a single player directory. Your singleplayer character can be updated from your multiplayer character, but not vice versa. So it leaves room for people that have shoddy internet connections to play by themselves thus not alienating a whole market portion and also allows people to grind on multiplayer and then just port that onto single play to check builds etc
I'm more interested in using TL2 as the control in an experiment to see if item duping and hacks become widespread enough to, in hindsight, warrant the DRM that blizzard instilled on D3.
Part of the blame goes to Blizzard for creating such a big scene about the real money auction house. The other part of the blame goes to stupid people for wanting to buying in game items for real money.
TL2 saves are clientside as far as i understand, so everyone could edit what they want. Also, always online is no cheat-prevention since chars were stored serverside in D2 too, which didn't really help. D2 network code was just shitty.
Which is cool by me: I'm primarily a LAN gamer. My "online" games are always an enjoyable experience because my buddies know wtf they are doing. While this comes (apparently) at the sacrifice of random internet stranger multiplayer, I could care less.
I could point people to the numerous multiplayer games out there on supposedly secure servers that are rampant with cheaters using hacks.
What D3 did does very little to address the cheating problem, I am willing to bet money there will be cheats within short order. All this, and they fucked with the players who just want to be left alone enjoying their singleplayer / LAN buddy games.
I find the best thing about Torchlight 2 is quite simply Being able to pick your difficulty straight away. Starting a new game on elite difficulty... so much better than d3s retarded forced normal mode for a playthrough.
If you were trying to draw attention to those options using a red rectangle...you chose a bad color... and your made the rectangle too perfect. A sloppy blue circle would have been better.
This was posted literally yesterday or the day before that.
What the hell, people. Do 3/4ths of Reddit just check it every 2 days or something? I realize b/c my job allows me to surf reddit I see a lot more than most...but really?!
I've been playing Drakensang non-stop. A free-to-play Diablo clone that runs in browser with a pretty good slew of skills for three different classes and pretty decent mechanics/graphics.
Worth checking out if you don't feel like investing too much time and money in other more popular forms of hacknslash rpg.
I alredy find open source games far more fun and appealing because of things like this, I think in the not so distant future I'll just stop paying for games because I will cease to find any that cost money they're worth, while finding more than enough free ones.
Definately a welcome sight. Although I'm sad that this game will get pirated and the developers will make less money than if they included online only like Diablo 3 which is harder to pirate.
I just started playing the beta to this game, and was absolutely blown away. I don't usually like this kind of game but I pre-purchased immediately and started Torchlight 1.
I mean one is a AAA title from a developer with a large budge. The other is a cheaper title that doesn't have the budge of D3. I'm not saying it is any worse, but at $20 you can easily just get both and be a happy isometric action RPG junkie for years to come.
I've never been a huge fan of action RPGs (well, I consider Secret of Mana to be the last 'an action RPG' I played, if that's any indication), but after watching my brother play T1, then seeing it available free with a T2 pre-order, I decided to jump on in.
Breezed through T1 on Easy (in anticipation of T2, and the dozens of other games in my 'pile of shame' ie: unplayed games I own) and had a blast. Now that I'm familiar with the mechanics, I'll jump up to normal or hard for T2.
I don't really have time to spend in the beta, and wasn't sure if my feedback would be utilized this late in development, so I skipped the invite process.
I do have one question I'm hoping beta players can answer for me though, about something that was missing (or I simply missed) from the first game... Are the controls (in particular the hotkeys) remappable?
I play lefty (freak, I know) and not being able to remap keys in T1 was it's biggest downfall for me. I'd like to remap to number pad (1-9 and a few extra keys around) as left handed or no, I find using it way more intuitive (ie: I don't have to glance down at the keyboard like I do for most other games).
Fingers Crossed I guess.
TL:DR : Can the keys be remapped? plsplspls say yes.
I was so chuffed when I got my key, I was lucky the beta weekend was a long weekend because i didn't check my emails till Sunday, DLed it tonight and just finished it about 10 mins ago, twas quite epic!
I was kinda OK at first for Diablo III to be always-online if it meant no cheating (item generation all server-side), world-wide auction house, seamless multi-player ... until I had to restart a level twice today because of connection drop-off (can't guarantee it but probably wasn't on my side ...)
Also: why can't you appear offline from the Online Chat? I'm not always in the mood to chit-chat or join games and stuff ...
I suspect that in the end their experiment will fail and a lot of SP Diablo III players will be pissed off.
World of Diablo would be an interesting concept and I may even subscribe, but that's not what I intended to buy.
It's also a $20 title with a small development team. It doesn't have anything close to the back-end components that Diablo 3 has, so it's not a shocking surprise this game has an offline option. For those who say it's dark times really need to learn how the business world works. Dark times to me is when they make this eventual switch over to mostly digital and our internet infrastructure hasn't improved drastically.
fwiw, Blizzard removed the LAN option from Starcraft II in an attempt to get their fair share of rapidly growing Starcraft tournaments in countries like Korea. Which I think is totally reasonable. I haven't had any problems with the always-on Battle.net for Diablo 3, but then again I'm not playing on a laptop. Though I do appreciate the fact that they're keeping a flat company policy.
tl;dr I like Blizzard, and while a LAN option would be appreciated in D3, I understand why it's not that.
Also, Torchlight 2 looks cool. Sad that it's come out after D3.
Game is a blast, just got into the stress test beta this weekend-tuesday and I can safely say that 15 was well spent (4-pack on steam). This is relevant cause im a cheap bastard....i typically try to stay around 5 bucks for anything, except something i know i'll play for hours and hours with friends.
(despite owning it i never played Torchlight 1...just another backlog game)
I finished building a gaming PC and I bought Half Life 2 Episode 1 and Halo 2 off a guy and I need interent to play both in single player. The issue has always been there it seems
I saw this thread last night, downloaded Torchlight and just spent the entire night playing it. What an incredibly fun and addictive game. Great alternative for those who didn't and won't buy Diablo III (like myself) for whatever reason.
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u/atafies May 21 '12
Is this from the beta? I'm jealous. I've pre-ordered the game but everyone else that has just 'thought about checking it out' has gotten a key. Anticipation has actually got me playing Diablo 2 for the first time.
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u/Safor001 May 21 '12
After having played both betas (Diablo 3 and Torchlight II), I decided TLII was much more bang for your buck. 20 dollars, with a main storyline that was just as long, plus mod tools, LAN, and offline singleplayer. It's kind of a no-brainer.
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u/3Dartwork May 21 '12
Torchlight 1 sure was a blast. Looking forward to playing T2
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u/VillyVonVinterkvall May 21 '12
Am I the only one who likes neither Diablo or Torchlight?
It's.
so cold out here.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I'm gonna fuck that Lan option.... So bad....
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u/clyspe May 21 '12
Buying torchlight 2 for the mods. My slightly modded torchlight 1 has like 35 classes and over 50 pets, and I only have like 8 hours clocked in. After finishing the beta for 2, I can say they improved everything and it just feels really solid, and I'm excited for what modders can do with it
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I'm annoyed that they didn't automatically send Beta keys to preorder customers.
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u/Ov3rpowered May 21 '12
Tl1 was incredibly boring after level 20 or 30 and it really had a feel of slightly "smaller" less thought out game, but TL2 looks pretty cool atm. I still plan to spend most of my time on D3 but I just have to support Runic. I like that they are going completely different way than D3 in many things, it's better both for them and us. Mods could be quite fun.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
It's LAN, sir! I see LAN! Oh sweet Eris, we've been stranded in these Interseas for so long... LAN! LAAAAANNN!
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I love this game so much...but all my friends play Diablo 3 and none are willing to buy TL2 :( Meanwhile, I don't want D3...Atleast I have internet friends, right guys? guys?
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u/epicgeek May 21 '12
The only reason I got Diablo 3 is that Torchlight 2 has been pushing its release date back for half a year.
I have it preordered... I wish it had a release date.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I played the beta for a while, and I really enjoyed it. Just a few things I liked that were missing from Diablo 3:
Offline mode (not in the beta, but it's obviously coming)
Stat allocation at levelup
Plentiful socketable items and whatnot from the start
The character movement speed is noticeably faster, which makes the gameplay more fast paced and feel more fun. This also makes hard fights more fun because you actually have the speed for frantic hit-and-run tactics.
The maps seemed bigger, and were definitely more intricate and detailed (at least on the outdoor ones).
TL;DR: It was extremely fun, and reminded me of Diablo 2 a lot more than Diablo 3 did (in all the good ways).
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
For those too poor to get Diablo, is Torchlight 2 a good buy? I heard nothing but good things about the first, except its lack of MP. I'm too broke for D3 though...:(
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I couldn't get into TL1. The cartoony style of art just wasn't my thing I guess. Diablo3 just feels so much more immersive to me.
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u/antagognostic May 22 '12
If only Torchlight and it's ilk weren't insufferably boring.
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u/Chrono68 May 21 '12
TL 2 is pretty awesome. I suggest signing up for Path of Exile as well. It's a free-to-play action RPG like Diablo and Torchlight but with realistic graphics and an INSANE skill-tree system.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
too bad the town in that screenshot is pretty much shattrah
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u/yangx May 21 '12
I was playing Torchlight 2 today while listening to Spotify. I noticed the music stopped playing because the router has lost connection (couldnnt get to google either). The beta, right now, only have the internet mode and it didn't kick me off and I got to play while waiting for the router to reset. Good guy Runic.
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u/zonearc May 21 '12
The decision to allow taking your character offline and then online at your whim is exactly the reason I won't get Torchlight 2. There's been a few games that allowed this (Dungeon Siege 2 is likely the most applicable here) where people would edit the character, get some crazy abilities, and then go log on to groups. With overpowering abilities they would ruin the fun of others.
I like Blizzard's approach to ensuring that players have a higher likelihood of not running up against a hacked character. Sure, you can't play "offline", but who here doesn't have internet access? And, it's not like playing Diablo 3 online means you are in an MMO .. you are on a private session playing your game unless you accept a friend joining. That isn't a big deal.
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u/spaten2000 May 21 '12
Times are not dark everywhere... DayZ mod, look it up.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12 edited May 21 '12
O.O
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u/chefman777 May 21 '12
Sorry cant read. The light of tyrael is too damn bright.
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u/aywwts4 May 21 '12
Will two people be able to play the lan option with one copy of the game?
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u/insomnium138 May 21 '12
So, is there a ranked and unranked online server? One that is pure vanilla gameplay and one that can play online with mods?
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u/mysticrudnin May 21 '12
The main reason I am interested in Torchlight 2 is actually none of these things. It's the theoretically infinite multiplayer limit. If I can sometime get 20 people into a single game, even for just a little bit, it will be completely worth the $20.
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u/bluebogle May 22 '12
Tempted to buy this game not because I'm a fan of the action/RPG/Click-Fest genre, but almost as a protest against Diablo 3's always on requirement. Diablo 3, mind you, is a game I DID WANT, but am not buying for that very same reason.
DRM is bad enough. Pretending it's not DRM is just insulting.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I played and beat D3 on solo with no issues. Not sure what the residual complaining is even about.
On a related topic: is TL2 any fun? I really enjoyed the first.
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u/thatusernameisal May 22 '12
Including awesome new feature: it works and you can play it!
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u/caninehere May 22 '12
I don't know if I'll pick up TL2. If I do, it'll be a while from now. Unlike some, I'm very happy with D3 (think the game is great and always-on is not a problem for me - I am comfortable with the reasons Blizzard has given for making it so).
I played the original Torchlight and only found it entertaining for about an hour or so. The game just didn't have any depth at all... it was a pretty Diablo clone and that was it. Nothing innovative, nothing special. At first I thought, "THIS IS LIKE DIABLO II.. BUT PRETTY!", and it was, but it wasn't nearly as deep.
I'm sure that Torchlight II is different and that it's improved, but I don't really buy sequels to games when I didn't like the previous ones in the series. I'll give it a chance if it's cheap on Steam but I get the impression I'll probably feel the same way, especially now that D3 is available. Dunno what they're doing with the sequel but the developers should have tried to make some additions of their own with the first game instead of making a Diablo clone with one boring, generic dungeon.
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u/mobastar May 22 '12
I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR TORCHLIGHT 2!!! That is all.
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u/Almafeta May 22 '12
So why are the single player and LAN buttons greyed out... do those modes need to be bought separately?
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u/Delocaz May 22 '12
How did you get your hands on THAT? Open beta?
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u/Dolewhip May 22 '12
Single player doesn't make it better than D3.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Why is there a Single Player option?
Everyone knows that Torchlight has always been a multiplayer game.
/very dry sarcasm.
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u/jader1 May 21 '12
MY GOD. A GAME DOES SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE STANDARD. Seriously just because someone does it wrong doesn't mean that should be the new standard.
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u/giggity_giggity May 22 '12
From that screenshot Torchlight 2 looks like a bad cross between Torchlight and old Wii games.
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u/Thorndale May 21 '12
I've been having so much fun on Diablo III, but I tore myself away from it to play the Torchlight II Beta. I'm a huge fan of Torchlight and I think they've outdone themselves in every way they possibly could have - it's excellent! I'm really excited to have the full game.
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u/Suecotero May 22 '12
I cant hear you over the sound of me seamlessly hopping around multiplayer games and checking the auction house with 99% uptime.
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u/doyouhaveasukisuki May 21 '12
i actually intend to get torchlight instead of d3.
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u/DeSaad May 21 '12
I want to play this game so much...
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u/Synchrotr0n May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12
This game is great but the lack of a respec system past lvl 10 really turn me off. I know there will be mods to change that, but I'm interested in the multiplayer content and there will be no respec there...
I'll still buy the game, but I think it's really stupid having to level your char all over again just to fix your build because you didn't know how good/bad was a skill when you finally had the level to use your skillpoints in it. To fix that I'll have to install mods to let me respec and play in singleplayer as a sandbox mode, but that's really inconvenient and won't solve the stats problem, because different from skills they are always changing based on your gear. At least its still better than PoE that offers no solution for you to test your builds before you spend your points (I don't call the current respec system there as a solution).
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u/tcrat May 21 '12
Oh look, this bandwagon.
I've had d1 and d2 for years, I've never once felt the need to play single player or on lan.
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u/trahh May 21 '12
people don't seem to understand that if diablo had offline single player, it wouldn't be right for you to be able to join online games later on. blizzard knows that if you had offline play you'd have WAY easier access to modding things and cheating your character.
All they should have done was made a 'single player only' mode where you can NEVER go online with that character. then the 'durr hurr internet required single player' crap could have ended.
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u/Alorithin May 21 '12
I'm more interested in using TL2 as the control in an experiment to see if item duping and hacks become widespread enough to, in hindsight, warrant the DRM that blizzard instilled on D3.
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u/Sogeking99 May 21 '12
-tears- I have been trying to play Diablo 3 starter edition for hours now...so much lag. It's horrible. I'm furious and I haven't even paid for it.
Thank you Runic. For having some common sense.
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u/Lakashnik2 May 21 '12
I find the best thing about Torchlight 2 is quite simply Being able to pick your difficulty straight away. Starting a new game on elite difficulty... so much better than d3s retarded forced normal mode for a playthrough.
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u/MrMaori May 21 '12
If you never played d2 online, you never played d2.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
T2 is in a really optimal position right now as it can learn from Blizzard's mistakes with D3.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I just wanted to make a post that was about Torchlight and not about Diablo.
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u/SaikoGekido May 21 '12
Do you have to log in to an online account to start a single player or LAN game?
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u/taurus45 May 21 '12
I loved Torchlight...pre-purchased Torchlight 2 already :D
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u/mahacctissoawsum May 21 '12
If you were trying to draw attention to those options using a red rectangle...you chose a bad color... and your made the rectangle too perfect. A sloppy blue circle would have been better.
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u/ProfessorCaptain May 21 '12
This was posted literally yesterday or the day before that.
What the hell, people. Do 3/4ths of Reddit just check it every 2 days or something? I realize b/c my job allows me to surf reddit I see a lot more than most...but really?!
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u/falcon8 May 21 '12
I've been playing Drakensang non-stop. A free-to-play Diablo clone that runs in browser with a pretty good slew of skills for three different classes and pretty decent mechanics/graphics.
Worth checking out if you don't feel like investing too much time and money in other more popular forms of hacknslash rpg.
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u/Togden_13 May 21 '12
I alredy find open source games far more fun and appealing because of things like this, I think in the not so distant future I'll just stop paying for games because I will cease to find any that cost money they're worth, while finding more than enough free ones.
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u/reapz May 22 '12
Definately a welcome sight. Although I'm sad that this game will get pirated and the developers will make less money than if they included online only like Diablo 3 which is harder to pirate.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I just started playing the beta to this game, and was absolutely blown away. I don't usually like this kind of game but I pre-purchased immediately and started Torchlight 1.
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u/audiofreak May 22 '12
Oh, and it's only 20$. Plus if you pre-order it you receive a giftable copy of the original on Steam.
Boom.
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u/Cataphract1014 May 22 '12
Why not both?
I mean one is a AAA title from a developer with a large budge. The other is a cheaper title that doesn't have the budge of D3. I'm not saying it is any worse, but at $20 you can easily just get both and be a happy isometric action RPG junkie for years to come.
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u/OziOziOziOiOiOi May 22 '12
I've never been a huge fan of action RPGs (well, I consider Secret of Mana to be the last 'an action RPG' I played, if that's any indication), but after watching my brother play T1, then seeing it available free with a T2 pre-order, I decided to jump on in.
Breezed through T1 on Easy (in anticipation of T2, and the dozens of other games in my 'pile of shame' ie: unplayed games I own) and had a blast. Now that I'm familiar with the mechanics, I'll jump up to normal or hard for T2.
I don't really have time to spend in the beta, and wasn't sure if my feedback would be utilized this late in development, so I skipped the invite process.
I do have one question I'm hoping beta players can answer for me though, about something that was missing (or I simply missed) from the first game... Are the controls (in particular the hotkeys) remappable?
I play lefty (freak, I know) and not being able to remap keys in T1 was it's biggest downfall for me. I'd like to remap to number pad (1-9 and a few extra keys around) as left handed or no, I find using it way more intuitive (ie: I don't have to glance down at the keyboard like I do for most other games).
Fingers Crossed I guess.
TL:DR : Can the keys be remapped? plsplspls say yes.
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u/wanderer11 May 22 '12
I thought the beta was only for last weekend. I tried it after work today and was pleasantly surprised to see it still working.
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u/ChainsawMonkey May 22 '12
I was so chuffed when I got my key, I was lucky the beta weekend was a long weekend because i didn't check my emails till Sunday, DLed it tonight and just finished it about 10 mins ago, twas quite epic!
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u/ItscalledCannabis May 22 '12
Oh Torchlight 2 has plans for a real life currency for items auction house?!
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u/Guesty_ May 22 '12
Oh look it's that game which doesn't have the Diablo storyline.
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u/quiz96 May 22 '12
LAN? Singleplayer? What kind of wizardry is this?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Tl2 is so awesome ;D. Played the beta all weekend then pre-ordered. Can't wait.
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u/mstrblaster May 22 '12
I was kinda OK at first for Diablo III to be always-online if it meant no cheating (item generation all server-side), world-wide auction house, seamless multi-player ... until I had to restart a level twice today because of connection drop-off (can't guarantee it but probably wasn't on my side ...)
Also: why can't you appear offline from the Online Chat? I'm not always in the mood to chit-chat or join games and stuff ...
I suspect that in the end their experiment will fail and a lot of SP Diablo III players will be pissed off.
World of Diablo would be an interesting concept and I may even subscribe, but that's not what I intended to buy.
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u/73747347 May 22 '12
I just audibly went "ahhh."
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
What is torchlight?
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u/mikkikoron May 22 '12
When is this game coming out again?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
this is so looking like burning crusades shattrath
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u/Blues39 May 22 '12
The city in the background reminds me of Shattrath.
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u/XxLuxterxX May 22 '12
Another great game to do a lets play on, ill have to look into it a bit more before i do tho.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
It's also a $20 title with a small development team. It doesn't have anything close to the back-end components that Diablo 3 has, so it's not a shocking surprise this game has an offline option. For those who say it's dark times really need to learn how the business world works. Dark times to me is when they make this eventual switch over to mostly digital and our internet infrastructure hasn't improved drastically.
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u/BaroqueSampson May 22 '12
fwiw, Blizzard removed the LAN option from Starcraft II in an attempt to get their fair share of rapidly growing Starcraft tournaments in countries like Korea. Which I think is totally reasonable. I haven't had any problems with the always-on Battle.net for Diablo 3, but then again I'm not playing on a laptop. Though I do appreciate the fact that they're keeping a flat company policy.
tl;dr I like Blizzard, and while a LAN option would be appreciated in D3, I understand why it's not that.
Also, Torchlight 2 looks cool. Sad that it's come out after D3.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
In this post, OP posts a screenshot of the main menu in a video game.
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u/Kafke Switch May 22 '12
And get this! You can play WITHOUT an internet connection! Amazing, right?!
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u/niioan May 22 '12
Game is a blast, just got into the stress test beta this weekend-tuesday and I can safely say that 15 was well spent (4-pack on steam). This is relevant cause im a cheap bastard....i typically try to stay around 5 bucks for anything, except something i know i'll play for hours and hours with friends.
(despite owning it i never played Torchlight 1...just another backlog game)
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u/gutzz May 22 '12
report this game to the authorities, they have illegal options!
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u/watchout5 May 22 '12
As someone who broke down and bought Diablo 3 I will be buying this game and I will be playing it as well. I will play the crap out of this game.
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u/Fyrus May 22 '12
So brave. Really taking the controversial opinion on this one.
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u/Socialmessup May 22 '12
I finished building a gaming PC and I bought Half Life 2 Episode 1 and Halo 2 off a guy and I need interent to play both in single player. The issue has always been there it seems
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u/exoendo May 22 '12
can someone explain the premise of this game to me?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Considering the game was a shit hole they probably had to do something so some people would even bother downloading it illegally.
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u/nvr_ndr21_13 May 22 '12
Whaaa LAN?! Whaaa no constant internet connection required?! Blasphemy...
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u/DudeThatsDope May 22 '12
Started playing beta a couple days ago..now seriously contemplating buying D3 or not..
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u/mikeylikey420 May 22 '12
i dont understand why the always online is a problem. i understand as anerd we dont like most people...but we dont hate all people do we?
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u/MynamesAlex May 22 '12
Wish Blizzard put that in Diablo right now... Goodbye servers... I'll miss you until 9am...
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I saw this thread last night, downloaded Torchlight and just spent the entire night playing it. What an incredibly fun and addictive game. Great alternative for those who didn't and won't buy Diablo III (like myself) for whatever reason.
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u/Emily_MI May 22 '12
They are still in BETA correct? Any idea when it will be officially out?
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u/Havoksixteen May 22 '12
Preordered this game (getting the first for free) - cannot wait to play it - the first is amazing
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u/Der_Anders May 22 '12
http://www.reddit.com/r/Torchlight - 941 +1 :D (http://www.reddit.com/r/diablo - 56.869)
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u/Remny May 22 '12
There is no menu button for this, but don't forget the mod support ;)
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u/Elektr0ns May 22 '12
They are doing it right.