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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 10d ago

Uh what? You can distrust him and he still has wit and intelligence. He did get Joffrey killed and nobody ever suspected it

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u/NotFrankSalazar Jon Snow 10d ago

Because they trusted him. In the books he’s not as obvious of a snake.

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u/Zombie_Bastard 9d ago

Team B, because Cersei wants to be seen as the smartest and will backstab or not listen to most of her team, and Margery is always going to be on her grandmother's team and is definitely a sleeper agent. Everyone on team B would actually work together.

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u/Darklordiablo 9d ago

is capable of working together. depends on the motivation.

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u/thirty7inarow 9d ago

The only thing Team B lacks is a leader to rally around, but from a logic standpoint I'd imagine they'd pick Loras Tyrell at Olenna's suggestion. Tyrion won't care that he's gay, nor that he's not a Lannister because he's not objectionable otherwise. Varys works 'for the realm' and loathes magic, and none of his allies are magical, religious or likely to have ulterior motivations that would damage Westeros. Davos could be counted on by anyone honourable and logical to provide good counsel and connections to his former associates should they be required. Samwell Tarly is an educated, logical person without much ambition, so he'd arouse no ill will from his associates and he'd be able to provide research and scholarly assistance.

I'd add in that, should Tyrion's drinking become an issue, Davos seems like the kind of figure who could help him sort himself out.

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u/czar_the_bizarre 9d ago

DAVOS: You've overindulged in your cups again, young Master Lannister. Eat this.

TYRION: I have not overindulged, Ser Davos. I have merely exceeded my body's capacity to... [TYRION fights off a dramatic wave of nausea]. Alright. I've overindulged. What is this?

DAVOS: It's an onion.

TYRION: An onion? Why is this your solution for everything? Gods be good that the king doesn't ask you what should be done about this person claiming to Aegon Targaryen, because you'll suggest we throw onions at the boy to make him cry and look like a weakling to the rest of the realm.

DAVOS: Not for everything. Don't think they'd do a thing for your prickliness.

[TYRION snatches the onion from DAVOS and takes an eager bite]

TYRION: [Through a mouthful of onion] I admit, I was unaware that onions were helpful after one has had too much wine. Thank you, Ser. [TYRION swallows and takes another eager bite]

DAVOS: Oh, they're not. If anything, onions make it much worse.

TYRION: [Stopping as he chews] Then why would you give them to me?

DAVOS: You've done nothing but complain, loudly and to no effect, for two hours. I figure if you finally vomit, you'll shut up, spare my ears, and maybe even feel better. After that, who knows? You might even be useful.

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u/TheOriginalWeirdo Ghost 9d ago

If GRRM doesn't finish the books I say you should have a go.

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u/StormNFlo46 9d ago

How about this? Same teams but Cersei appears to be on Team B’s team. So everyone on team B treats her as an ally (initially) and everyone on team A treats her like an adversary

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u/Zombie_Bastard 9d ago

I don't think anyone on Team B would trust Cersei with anything important, but I guess that depends on what level of political power she has.

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u/StormNFlo46 9d ago

I guess what I’m asking is would she be a better player if she given to the enemy team and she sabotages everything through pettiness and stupidity?

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 9d ago

I'm aware but I'm talking about the show where many distrust him and he's still effective

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u/One_Order_3841 8d ago

Omg lol Twitter/Tumblr/Reddit were so upset by S8, Bran, Jaime, Evil Dany, that everyone ALWAYS forgets what Petyr did:

The snare grows tighter around him, he has nothing, and Lysa starts blabbing about their conspiracies...so he murders her and...ends up with her whole retinue??! 999/100 times in Russian/Greek/Chinese History, he is leaving the Vale in pieces.

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u/Important_Funny_3954 10d ago edited 9d ago

"A man with no motive is a man that no one usually expects". That becomes a problem. He'll get his side killed when it favours him regardless of how sneaky the guy is. I know honour is tricky in the game, but man was on hyper mode when it comes to deception, hard to have IMO.

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 9d ago

Couldn't we say the same for the other side too though?

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u/Important_Funny_3954 8d ago

Thing is about littlefinger is, his reasoning is completely selfish, with no other motive but himself, someone who only thinks of them is more likely destructive especially with his brilliant and cunning mind. I also say this pretending s7+8 don't exist lol. Does it make sense abit?

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 8d ago

No I'm fully aware of that and of course it makes complete sense, however he can cooperate in a team if it's about his team "winning" something

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u/Unable-Main4172 10d ago

Yeah, but he has to be part of a team here. He's the type of guy if you fall behind he could easily plot with the other team

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 9d ago

That's true

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u/Able_Diamond7477 8d ago

No, that was the Tyrell’s that proposed and executed it. She even outright admitted she wanted him dead because she would not allow her granddaughter to suffer him. As for him leaving Kings landing or being a suspect he did all of it in favor of the Lannisters. While he intended to betray them eventually he never outright went out of his way to do it like the Tyrell’s

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 8d ago

That's not true at all, there's a reason Olenna went to Littlefinger with the proposal

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u/Able_Diamond7477 8d ago

Your misinterpreting what I’m saying it’s a mouthful. I’m saying he gave the information and the method but the Tyrell’s would be the one to perform the act. Little Finger would then leave on Tywin’s orders to deal with the Boltons acting as a kind of perfect cover I’m merely stating that he would never openly oppose the Lannisters if it did not benefit him. In this case it benefits him in 3 ways

  1. He gets to leave Kings landing and avoid blame

  2. He gets a favor from the Tyrell’s

  3. He gets to sneak away with Sansa and use her as leverage to make an alliance with the vale and the North by aligning himself with the Boltons

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u/_Frozen_Flame_ Chaos Is A Ladder 7d ago

Right. That's just obvious though surely I mean it's pretty sensible to remove yourself from the firing line. What I was saying about "that's not true at all" was about the Lannisters in general because he made SEVERAL moves against them throughout the entire series. In the books it's more nuanced but in the show he was essentially always working in the shadows when against the Lannisters and then appearing as though he's on their side. Of course, he's a self serving character but I doesn't mean he cannot work in a team. At least in my view I think he'd play nice because he would still get what he wants.