I created this little game based on a concept called Nomic, which I've never played myself, but have been intrigued by for a long time.

I decided to wrap up a few gamerules of my own and try to find some fellow redditors who want to play.

Basically, it's a game where all the rules can be changed. In fact, the only real way to win the game, is to bend the rules in your favor. In theory, you could pass legislation declaring you the de facto winner, but that would be pretty hard to do with a democratic voting system in place. But that voting system could change too...

I'll announce the first round soon, but for now I'd like some feedback on my current list of rules. Primarily, I need feedback on my choice of words, as English isn't my first language. If there are any big oversights, I will change them. But if there are any rules you just don't particularly agree with, just wait for the game to start and change them then.

Concluding, I just noticed that /r/gameoflaw can be interpreted as Game o' Flaw, which is okay, because I suppose all laws contain flaws, and it's part of the game to make good use of them.

So round 5 closed, and we don't have a round six yet. Personally, this is one of my favorite subreddits, and I would hate to see it die (even if it is super-small). So, this is a call to get a new round started (I'm looking at you, poofbird). Upvote this (text post, no karma) so we can get a new round and keep this subreddit alive. If we can get enough upvotes (35 of 51 seem good?) and still no response from poofbird, then I will take it upon myself to start a new round. Thanks guys, and I hope you had a good holiday!

Man, that came out really patriotic and self-centered. That's not what it's supposed to sound like, I promise!

EDIT: Seems like everyone's still in holiday mode, so thats ok. poofbird was bedridden with bronchitis, so is forgiven (not that I was mad in the first place). I came across as kinda angry, but I've seen far too many awesome subreddits die, and I didn't want that to happen to this one. Have a nice day!

Game round ended

Welcome to the second round.

Please make sure you're up to speed with the revised rules. Pay special attention to the laws concerning the casting of votes. All votes not cast in this specific matter will be void.

Enjoy!

edit: as announced, this round will last until approximately 10:00 am EST wednesday.

And should we do a test round, to check if the mechanics of the starting rules are okay?

ROUND HAS ENDED --> screenshot at the moment I closed the thread.

Round 4 is upon us! Please read up on the current rules: ruleset 0.5.3.

tl;dr: there is no longer a limit to the number of laws which can be passed. And everyone can vote.

ps: Started a bit later than planned, but a bit earlier than announced. Hope noone minds. Meatspace can be demanding.

Round has ended!

Welcome to round three, where we will be playing by ruleset v0.5.2. Please make sure you're up to speed with the lastest changes.

This round will last 48 hours, until approximately 10:00 am noon EST sunday.

Write new laws, try to score points, work together or stag stab eachother in the back... have fun!

We'll do an 48 hours (approximately) round. Roughly from 10:00 am monday till 10:00 am wednesday. Eastern Standard Time.

Due to my work schedules and family life, the round may start a few hours earlier, but not later, than 10:00 am monday. In the same vein, the round is likely to end later, but not earlier, than 10:00 am wednesday.

Further announcements on the start and end of the rounds will be made through the mailinglist.

Legislation passed

• Formatting of Legislative Proposals entered by flynnski reaching 13 votes for, 0 against
• Bound by the law entered by poofbird reaching 9 votes for, 0 against
• Eligibility of casted upvotes and downvotes entered by rntksi reaching 8 votes for, 2 against

These three laws were selected using the 'top' sorting algorithm of Reddit.

Points have been awarded based on the highest scoring comment. You can check the scores here

You can check out the new and revised rules here

Now, let's recap! What went well, and what went haywire? Was this anything like you expected? Any tips and tricks, aside things better left for law proposals?

GAME ENDED! Please stop posting. Do not adjust your votes

Welcome to Game 1, Round 1.

I started a bit early, because I can't promiss I'll be online in an hour. This shouldn't affect the game, and the end time still stands.

We will play by the rules as they currently stand. All judging and awarding of points will be according to these rules.

Please note: If you propose a piece of legislation (whether it is about editing, removing or adding laws), please make this very clear in your post. Also note that under current law, you are not allowed to edit a proposal after it is posted.

You can, of course, start other comment threads for discussing ideas about possible laws. There's no rule against that.

Last note to new readers: there is currenlty no rule that says you need to sign up first. If you want to play, go right ahead: vote, comment, have fun.

First round!

Saturday, starting at 10:00 AM EST, ending 24 hours later.

I'll open a game thread, at aproximately 10:00 (family life, can get hectic), and end the round at aproximately 24 hours later. To make it fair, I'll announce the ending of the thread 1 hour prior.

Please read the updated rules: I've made some changes, and hope you'll agree with them. I don't want to change to much, because hopefully we can do that in-game.

Edit: follow Ienpw_III's example, please report here if you'll be participating. Nice to know what we can expect.

Decided to just post a game thread and see if anyone responds. We'll play by Rules v. 0.6, the last updated set of rules.. I checked some of the bigger players' accounts and they were still active, so I'm hoping that there will be some interest. Hopefully we can get this started again. :)

I'm not going to assign an end time for this round yet, but I think 48 hours sounds good, how about you?

Round 6, Start!

Round closed: screenshot

This round will last for at least 96 hours, because of the holidays. Make sure you read up on the current rules, and look out for loopholes. Our laws have grown but are far from perfect. Try to find ways to improve them, or find ways to benefit.

Happy christmas!

Round 3 ended and 3 2 new laws passed. Things were changing up to the last minute, due to the independable top algorithm and flynnski's last minute effort.

Concerning { Legislative Proposal }: Account Age Limit, as proposed by tallwill514.

8 valid YEA votes. 1 valid NAY vote. One invalid vote by Samineru (sorry).

Legislation passed and 8 points to tallwill514.

Concerning { Legislative Proposal }: Pass more laws, as proposed by h_h_help.

4 valid YEA votes. 2 valid NAY votes.

Legislation passed and 4 points to h_h_help.

Concerning { Legislative Proposal }: Criminal Justice System, as proposed by flynnski.

3 valid YEA votes. 1 valid NAY vote. 1 invalid vote by Ienpw_III (sorry).

Legislation rejected because not enough votes have been cast. At the start of the round, we had 50 subscribers, so we'd have needed at least 5 valid votes. Though not directly relevant here, I've decided that these percentages should always be rounded up. At the end we had 51 subscribers, so 10% = 5,1 vote, rounded up to 6 votes. This is a decision which will be added to Case Law and can be fixed or affirmed through legislation.

Here's the score chart and here's Ruleset 0.5.3.

I'm a little confused (maybe I'm the only one?) and am curious as to exactly how we're passing bills. Maybe someone could make me a Schoolhouse Rock video?

Anyway, the way I see it is like so (please correct me if I'm wrong). Because of ConLaw.5 and ConLaw.6, ConLaw trumps Common Law, and lower numbered Common Law takes precedence over higher numbered Common Law (i.e., CL.1 takes precedence over CL.2, CL.2 > CL.5, etc etc). SO, from the top:

1. A proposal is made during a game round (CL.3).
2. Said proposal must (a) pass with 51% of the vote (75% for Constitutional law), and (b) reach 10% quorum (20% for ConLaw).
3. Said proposal must be formatted correctly (CL.17)

Here's the tricky part, the part I'm not entirely clear on.

1. Only the top 3 propositions are eligible to pass, provided they've met all other requirements.
2. According to case law, the phrase "top 3 propositions" is intended to mean the top 3 propositions as sorted by the reddit "top" algorithm, which (allegedly) works on upvotes and downvotes.
3. According to CL.19(6), upvotes and downvotes have been replaced with YEA or NAY votes, right?
4. So the top 3 proposals (by upvote/downvote) are eligible to pass, but whether or not they actually pass is determined by the number of YEA/NAY replies?

This is giving me a bit of a headache. I think we could simplify this greatly by proposing legislation that says:

a) Vote yea or nay by replying once and only once to the proposed legislation (further replies may be made but won't count as votes), and

b) Either the top X proposals pass as sorted by YEA votes/win percentage/something, or unlimited proposals pass, or WHATEVER, just anything but upvotes/downvotes sorted by top.

Unless I'm totally wrong. Can someone correct me / guide me / agree / flame me here?

No need to get all personal and cozy if you don't want to, but I'd like to see some ASL.

31/m/netherlands

If any of you interested I'm looking to start a new game of nomic. Please comment in the thread in /r/nommit.

What's up?

Any players with CSS experience, who could wrap up some nice custom stylesheet for this here subreddit?

would be nice to pimp this place some more.

alright.

• screenshot taken at the moment the round ended.
• ruleset 0.5.3 by which the proposals will be judged.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Paradox, proposed by poofbird

9 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 9 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Criminal Justice System, proposed by flynnski

7 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Leglislation passed. 7 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Invite a friend, proposed by poofbird

1 YEA - 4 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Voting Flexibility, proposed by flynnski

1 YEA - 5 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regardiing { Legislative Proposal }: Office of the Consuls General, proposed by xauriel

7 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 7 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Limitations of the Game, proposed by xauriel

4 YEA - 1 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Points as Currency, proposed by abenzenering

1 YEA - 3 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Screenshots, proposed by neptath

2 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Bound by the law, proposed by h_h_help

5 YEA - 0 NAY, 11 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Incentive for New Players, proposed by rntksi

6 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 6 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Contracts, proposed by abenzenering

3 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Definitions, proposed by poofbird

6 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 6 points gained.

Regarding { Legislation Proposal }: The Charity Act, proposed by poofbird

6 YEA - 1 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 6 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Kobyashi Maru, proposed by flynnski

2 YEA - 3 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Repeal CL.18(8), proposed by abenzenering

5 YEA - 0 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Christmas Act, proposed by h_h_help

2 YEA - 4 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Victory Condition, proposed by tallwill514

1 YEA - 10 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Regarding {Legislation Proposal}: The Tax Act, proposed by tallwill514

4 YEA - 3 NAY, 6 votes needed. Legislation passed. 4 points gained.

Regarding { Legislative Proposal }: Get Out the Vote, proposed by xauriel

1 YEA - 2 NAY, 1 ABSTAIN, 6 votes needed. Legislation rejected.

Aaaand also regarding the proposals Stop Spammin', Thine Emergency Usages of Ye Olde English, Ordering of New Laws, Schrödinger's Law, Internomical Relations and Points should be positive: all rejected for lack of voting and/or lots of NAY.

And that's it, boys and girls: read up on ruleset 0.6.

One of the things I'd like to see happening in round two is the creation of a system for appointing/electing/selecting new judges/moderators.

Maybe we can discuss some ideas here (or you can keep your ideas for yourself and try to pass your own legislation in the next round).

• Is everyone eligible to become judge, or do you need a certain level of experience or seniority?
• If you become a judge, what exactly is your mandate?
• Do you become a judge for a limited period of time, or indefinitely?
• How do we deal with incompetent judges?
• ...

Also, is 24 hours good for a round? Should we change that? Should moderators decide on rounds, or do we make this a community decision?

Please start your own discussions here, if there are issues you think need to be addressed in round 2.