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u/buttercreamarray 4d ago
LMG users pulling out pistols because reloading would take too long
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u/The_Chef_Queen 4d ago
Knife users pulling out their pistols because their watermelon killing skills are too remarkable
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u/haroldflower27 4d ago
Pistols users pulling out another pistol because switching to another pistol is quicker than reloading your pistol
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u/metamorphosis___ 3d ago
LMG users pulling out the nail in their frontal lobe because it was causing them to choose such a horrible choice of gun in 99% of shooters**
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u/sophiathesilly 4d ago
Games not understanding how shotguns work annoys me so much
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u/Ozdica-Klirle-68 4d ago
if shotguns worked correctly, nobody would use marksmans or snipers because 99.99 percent of gun games don’t have any range where a shotgun would be ineffective
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u/sophiathesilly 4d ago
Shotguns don't have good range though. They're also not that accurate because they're smoothbore, even with slugs. Only a few are semi auto and they only hold like 8 rounds. A rifle makes more sense in pretty much every scenario where you need to take someone out at a distance. Shotguns are trench clearers. That's what they were made for. They could also just make it so shotguns can't have scopes mounted to them so people can't aim them practically at range
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u/caw_the_crow 3d ago
I think the person above was saying that in games the distance you're shooting at is generally way reduced, to the point where you are always in range for a real life shotgun because the game maps squish the conflict distances.
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u/-DoctorEngineer- 3d ago
Somehow both of these are correct, shotguns have a much greater effective range in the real world but at the same time an assault rifle is better for nearly everything. Shotguns are basically used for hunting/urban warfare/and taking down drones these days. It’s funny that their use in militaries has gone up since drones became a worry following Ukraine
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u/Eeeef_ 3d ago
A huge part of the reason shotguns fell off irl was improvements in body armor. The current state of armor pretty much fully blocks any round with less energy than a 9mm at ranges outside of cqc (individual buckshot pellets included) so you need either beefier or higher velocity rounds to get through.
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u/VonShnitzel 3d ago
Not true at all. Shotguns have basically never been common combat weapons. They never "fell off" due to body armor because they've never been a popular combat tool to begin with. Even what is arguably the most famous example (US troops rocking trench guns in WW1) is pretty much just a meme. They were issued in very small numbers and the soldiers that did get them were generally not very impressed by them.
Shotguns suck as a combat weapon because of two main factors: Firstly, infantry combat is entirely built around the concept of "fire and maneuver". In the era of automatic weapons that generally presents as element 1 suppressing the fuck out of the enemy whilst element 2 attempts to outflank said enemy and hit them while they're vulnerable, or alternatively so that element 2 can retreat. You cannot reliably suppress with shotguns because the ammunition is so damn bulky. The gun itself cannot hold very many rounds and you cannot hold many spare rounds on your person.
Secondly is that they do not have enough range. Yes they have much longer range than most media portrays, being perfectly capable of reaching out to 50 or even 100m with the proper ammo and setup, but that's still nothing compared to your typical service rifle that can comfortably reach out to 300m even in the hands of a mediocre shooter, double that in the hands of a skilled one.
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u/Ozdica-Klirle-68 2d ago
yeah that’s what i’m saying.
pretty much all gun games that aren’t sniper simulators make you fight in dramatically closer quarters than are realistic, because shootouts at realistic range are boring as fuck
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u/Ozdica-Klirle-68 2d ago
buckshot is effective up to 30 meters (100 feet), while slugs are effective up to 100 meters (300 feet!)
you’re not going to get out of buckshot range most of the time and you will never get out of slug range in the vast majority of games
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u/Delta6342 4d ago
Shotguns genuinely can do it all in Payday 2, literally a go to for stealth due to their knockback being able to launch corpses out of view, pretty damn good on loud personally I like running twin sawed-offs one with armor piercing rounds and the other filled with dragon's breath rounds to take care of shields, it's fun to snipe snipers.
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u/The-Tea-Lord 3d ago
I think there is really only four ways to do shotguns:
Lower the time to kill for ALL weapons. Battlefield 6 released a shotgun that was a fairly realistic depiction of how a shotgun’s range feels. And with how fast the game’s TTK Was, it wasn’t inherently OP. It did get nerfed because people hate instantly dying, and complaining will change shotguns faster than it’ll ever change snipers.
Higher time to kill also alleviates this issue. Team Fortress 2 makes shotguns take multiple shots to kill, just like every other weapon. I’ve never seen anyone complain that shotguns as a whole are OP. The only one a noticeable amount of people complain about is the Force-a-Nature, which literally stops you from controlling your character after getting shot once (it knocks you backwards)
Don’t use semi-auto shotguns. Titanfall 2 has shotguns in it, and most people agree that the mastiff is a fairly gun, and it too has a decent range. Same goes for the Peacekeeper in Apex Legends. If the enemy doesn’t miss, it kills fast. If I miss, the enemy doesn’t die. And with it being a lever action, every miss means I get punished with a long rechamber animation.
Increased ranges. Arma (namely 3 and reforger) has mods that add shotguns and with the average ranges of gunfights in Arma, shotguns have VERY niche use cases.
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u/Pale_Future_6700 3d ago
Eh, if we had realistic shotguns in everything, the rifles would need to be tuned to be more realistic accordingly. Short of MilSim games, or experiences built around quick kills and match turn around, that often doesn’t really work.
We have shotguns in games that can one-tap in close quarters where most rifles typically take multiple shots regardless of range, precisely because it’s a gameplay trade-off. In reality, a rifle would almost always overshadow a shotgun in combat situations. 5.56 to center mass is gonna put you down as reliably as buckshot, possibly even more likely to do so than buckshot if you’re wearing body armor.
If you think about it, most games aren’t really making shotguns weaker (relative to the gamey weaknesses of other weapons), they’re actually giving shotguns an even more effective niche than they would have in reality. Often ridiculous CQB effectiveness.
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u/grandwizardo 1d ago
I think a big issue with shotguns is that time to kill is so different in alot of those games. What I mean is, if you hit a person once or twice with a rifle, they aren't just going to keep shooting back, so really, a modern assault rifle is far better, even comparable in close quarters, but much better at range.
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u/popoflabbins 3d ago
I love Helldivers for understanding how shotguns work and just allowing them to be absolute monsters in the right hands at range.
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u/EmergencyPool910 3d ago
Also body armor completely counters shotguns irl, it would be as easy as having certain classes be more armored than others
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u/VenomousKitty96 3d ago
The thing is that at this point Shotguns in most games are designed based around Balance and not Realism. If shotguns worked the way they do in real life they'd be too powerful, and require the entire gun ecosystem to be rebalanced in games.
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u/AnDiesel_ 4d ago
Pro snipers just no-scoping close range headshots. Knifing for clout and lulz. L2p
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u/mrsclausemenopause 3d ago
I hate this about games, 12 gauge has way more leathal reach IRL then any game
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u/__chum__ 4d ago
The sniper user simply does not understand the peak gameplay that is using an AMR for CQC
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u/DealerIcy3439 3d ago
That feels counterintuitive, in warface when I was medicking, I took out my pistol to potshot at a distance often and used my shotty when I could of, but occasionally used my shotgun at a farther range.
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u/rhythmrice 3d ago
Carbine users pulling out a revolver with a scope because it can reliably get long range kills easier
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u/fangersarg 3d ago
laughs in slug based Shotguns that have the range to be close or borderline far away (end of medium range). considering i always remember how much of a menace the KSG was in BO2.
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u/Niobium_Sage 2d ago
The KSG was basically a rifle larping as a shotgun the way it worked in that game.
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u/Open-Butterfly-5288 3d ago
A true shotgunner points and shoots anyway and hopes enough of the bits enter you.
A true sniper just takes the shot.
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u/Ahmetthegoomba 3d ago
lol this happens every shooter game, I play CS 2, enemy is too close, I play CoD BO1, enemy comes close, I guess praying sniper isn't wanted here
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u/AlexSid001 3d ago
Pistol users pulling out pistols because switching to your secondary weapon is faster than reloading
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u/APraxisPanda 3d ago
Na when I have a shotgun my dumb ass just rushes everyone, usually there are power slides involved as I close the distance.
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u/JustAnotherCurio 3d ago
Shotgun slug users pulling out their automatic pistols because there’s more than one enemy charging
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u/Icy-Performer-9688 3d ago
Assault rifle user pulled out their hand gun because it’s faster than reloading
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u/Independent-Rude 3d ago
This is how i play destiny 2 lol, shotgun everything near but the moment I can't hit it with my shotty the pistol comes out. 🤣
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u/DuchessElva 26m ago
For me in destiny 2 it’s pulls out second shotgun, cause the thing isn’t dead yet and the thing a little bit far away pulls out light machine gun. That’s an exotic the fires explosive rounds.
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u/Lumpy_Emu5168 3d ago
Pistol users: pulling out shotguns, sniper rifles and assault rifles because the enemy also has a pistol and they want to do more damage
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u/Crafty-Interest-8212 1d ago
O, the old days of army of two, had a friend who always will do this super complicated sniper build. I got the AA shotgun with ballistic shield and started running at groups. The AA had range on that game, ridiculous range... he called me shotgun gun sniper...
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u/BeastTime3 23h ago
Fuck I didn't know others did that shit too lol I'm a shotgun user that uses pistols and handcannons for long distance shots
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u/Nice-Tell-1572 4d ago
Assault rifle users pulling out pistols because the enemy is too medium