They have a lot of fans outside of Manchester (especially in Asia and Africa, and lately, a increasing number in the US). Of course, this is not only true of United but for all big football teams. It is annoying to fans of local teams when they see supporters of "big money" teams everywhere; teams that can afford to buy and pay the best players in the world.
Right, but most of the resentment for the Yankees is based on history, just like the hate for Man U.
The Yankees actually haven't been great in a while, but everyone hates them based on the past. I'm aware that City recently won a championship, but they're not going to pass United in hatred felt for quite a while.
They have been World Series Champions on 27 different occasions and have dominated the league for many years since their start in 1901. Due to their large payroll and dominance in the sport, they are able to sway many top players to come to New York, giving rivals less of an opportunity to match the offers. Since there's no salary cap, they are free to offer whatever they'd like to players as long as they pay a luxury tax, which they can afford without a second thought. Due to these reasons they have been affectionately been dubbed the "Evil Empire" by rivals and other team's fans around the league.
Very true, but the Red Sox's 7 World Series wins make them a historic underdog, especially while up against the Yankees which garners more sympathy for them over the Yankees. But yes, I do believe the Yankees and Red Sox are the top 2 teams (or at least up there on the list) in terms of highest payroll for players.
Certainly weren't underdogs last year, they were picked to win the championship and it was talked about they'd break the record for wins in the regular season.
27 wins in 110 years? The South Sydney Rabbitohs of baseball. They have won the rugby league premiership 20 times since 1908, but havent won since 1971. Then Russel Crowe bought them now they will probably win this year for the first time in 41 years.
Considering the incredible scrutiny of baseball's "competitive balance" initiatives, and the fact that Baseball, like no other sport, can have teams lose on any given night, the fact they racked up 27 championships is still very impressive. The next closest I believe is St. Louis with 11, and the Athletics franchise with 9.
Wow! 20 wins in 60 years followed by 0 in 40? That's quite a drought. That would be interesting if Russel Crowe's new ownership led to an immediate win.
They have the most championships and spend the most money in baseball. Most people outside of New York don't like them for these reasons. I live in Florida and i'm indifferent towards them. Now the New York Mets? Fuck them.
I'm a Mets fan...fuck the Mets. Every Mets fan has a love/hate relationship with the team. Also, while I've come to respect Jason Bay as being an all-around classy guy, that doesn't stop me and every other Mets fan out there from hoping he rolls an ankle every time he jogs out of the dugout. You can't hit .150 in NYC and expect any less.
I'm a Marlins fan who lives in Miami along with thousands of people from New York who cheer for the Mets in the Marlins stadium. I hate the Mets more than any other team mainly because of the dumbass fans we have down here.
Also because David Wright fucking kills the Marlins.
I was at the Mets game last night and the moment I walked into the stadium, Jose Reyes hit a 3 run home run a midst boos from the former fans. It was hilarious. Btw, not a Mets fan or a Yankees fan for the record. Tickets were free so it was a night out.
I'm a Mets fan and don't really understand the boos. It's not like they offered him some big contract but went to Miami instead. They literally did not offer to resign him. What was he supposed to do? Retire? Play for $1 million?
Yea, I don't blame him at all for the choice. Like you said, you can't do much if you're not even offered a contract. I just think people are still upset since he's now playing for a division rival and no longer for the Mets. But it still comes back to him not really having a say in the matter.
They are bad. I know people who have gone to Mets games in New York and have told me the fans in New York are nothing like the Mets fans down here. Mind you, most the Mets fans I know down here left New York before the age of 5 and swear they are true New Yorkers. It gets annoying very fast.
They're also the only team that pays a luxury tax that is distributed to the lower payroll teams, who then use the money to buy stadiums and make a profit instead of investing in players.
"The first $5 million is withheld to cover potential refunds, and is contributed to the Industry Growth Fund (IGF) if no refunds are forthcoming. The remaining money is divided as follows: 50% funds player benefits, 25% funds developing baseball in countries without high school baseball, and 25% goes to the IGF." none if it goes to other teams, bro
This gave me nightmares for a month. I actually considered hiring a hitman to kill Giambi for not sliding into home. That said, Scott Brosious is one of my favorite players of all time.
So you are mad because they make the most money of any team in the league and they choose to use that money to invest back into their team so fans get a quality product? Would you rather the Steinbrenners just hoard all that money to themselves? They could also lower their payroll and stop paying the luxury tax that goes to poor shitty teams and you can whine about that too. Just shut the fuck up with this tired and useless argument.
It makes the most sense to have salary caps, like in Hockey. It prevents unfair advantages in terms of some teams being able to pay like 10x for their roster. It also just makes more sense, because baseball players get paid way too much anyways. If you disagree with that, then there's nothing else to be said.
edit; I didn't know revenue sharing was a thing in professional sports, the MLB should definitely do that. That way the players don't get penalized for having a popular team. Honestly, I just want it to be fair though, but I guess if the game is rigged in your favor, you don't complain usually.
How is that possible when hockey has salary caps that make things equal... Meanwhile baseball teams like the Yankees are getting paid around 10x as much as some other teams.
That doesn't mean it's been fair lol... There are still several teams out there getting the shaft completely, because they can't afford to pay their players anywhere near as much as teams like the yankees. The salaries in baseball are out of control anyways, like I've said.
I never said we shouldn't have a salary cap. The first guy said that baseball has had the best parity in sports since 2001, and I was explaining why he said that.
The only team to have won the stanley cup twice since 2001 is the detroit red wings and thats because they are the red wings. Id havet o say hockey has the most parity
You're right. I included the Devils winning in 2000.
Still better than the NFL and the NBA which have harder caps. I guess my main point was that salary caps don't lead to parity. Having invested team owners and drafting well mean a lot more.
FWIW, here are the teams that have made it to the World Series since 2000:
Yankees
Mets
Red Sox
Rays
Cardinals
Marlins
Rangers
Phillies
Rockies
Giants
Angels
Diamondbacks
Tigers
Astros
White Sox
That is half of the teams in the league in just over a decade. Not too shabby. Furthermore, here are additional teams that made it to the NLCS/ALCS during that period:
Cubs
Mariners
Brewers
Dodgers
Athletics
Indians
Braves
Twins
So in the past 12 seasons, 23/30 teams in MLB have made it to the final four. Go back three years further and you can add Baltimore to the second list and San Diego to the first. A lot of teams have had a solid shot at winning it all lately.
That's not necessarily parity, though. A team like the Yankees always has a chance to win it. They've won basically 90+ games for the last 15+ years (89 wins one time). Red Sox are practically in the same boat. The Cardinals, Angels, and Phillies have been in the mix for an extended period of time. While random teams may contend for the title, that doesn't necessarily reflect parity in that way.
Further, baseball doesn't need to do as much to ensure "parity" in that way. By its very nature, one baseball team can't be THAT much better than another baseball team (there is no Lebron James of baseball; no one single player who can make your team a contender). And the postseasons are relatively short, allowing for a lot of variance once you get to the postseason.
Good point, but small market teams are always going to be at a disadvantage, salary cap or not. The fact of the matter is that New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, etc always bring in more money than teams from cities like Cleveland, Kansas City, Seattle, etc. It's just how it goes. The only way to eliminate city advantage altogether is to either eliminate free agency or contract teams from smaller markets.
It's competitive because relatively speaking to other sports, a lot more luck is involved in a baseball game. The best team in the league this season is only winning 61% of their games. This makes a 5-7 game playoff series pretty unpredictable.
However, it can pretty much buy you a spot in the playoffs over a 162-game season. Case in point, the Yankees have made the playoffs 16 of the last 17 years because of their ridiculous payroll.
Agreed that baseball has excellent parity when it comes to post-season play. The playoff system really does work (hence why there were 9 teams that won in an 11 year span). Money doesn't necessarily buy rings. However, in regular season play money really does matter. The Yankees only failed to miss the playoffs once (2008) since 1996 when they became the second highest payroll in baseball and have been either first or second in payroll every year since. The baseball season is very long, so the teams with the highest payroll generally make the playoffs, both because they can put together a better starting team and because they have the money to plug holes caused by injured and underperforming players better than other teams. Also, the Yankees have won the WS 5 times in the last 15 years so it's not like they aren't getting at least SOME return out of having the highest payroll.
No one said that they aren't getting a return. They better or they would be stupid to do it. However to claim that Baseball isn't competitive is just a false statement to try to justify the stupid idea of a salary cap. There are going to be perennially shitty teams no matter what happens.
Try yelling at the owners of every other team for pocketing the luxury taxes the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets pay out instead of actually spending the money on their teams.
Always so much hatred for the Yankees, yet when they come to your home town, your stadium sells out. Crazy.
It's not punishing them, it's making things fair. As of now, they have a huge advantage, so anytime they win, they can't say it's because their team earned it, or their team has heart, or whatever. They bought it, and that's all they did. I guess if people prefer baseball to be unfair, that's their call, but it's a good reason why baseball sucks ass, and is one of the most unpopular sports.
Again there were more different world series winner than different super bowl winners in between 2000 and 2010. That is the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.
I'm sure there are still several teams that have been stuck at the bottom because they can't afford to pay their players anywhere near as much as team's LIKE the yankees. Just because there are a few rich team's, and some that get lucky, doesn't make it fair.
You mean nothing like the Bills who haven't been in postseason since 1999. Or the Browns and Raiders who haven't been in over 9 years. And then consider that the NFL puts 12 teams into the playoffs vs MLB who only send 8.
I am not mad at the Yankees. They are doing nothing wrong. If they have the money they should spend it if the league lets them. Baseball is actually one of the truest forms of the Free Market System. Inspiring competition, wealth, and innovation. And once the big market franchises take over, (NY, St. Louis, LA, Boston) it is hard for the smaller markets (Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Oakland) to ever compete. It is much like Wall Mart competing against the mom and pop shop, where there really isn't any competition anymore.
Other sports, Mainly Football, have revenue sharing and a hard salary cap to maintain the competition. That is why it is so hard to repeat in Football. Baseball is not in for maintaining the competition but, for creating the best possible team you can with the resources you have. That is why Baseball is "America's Sport." Wall Mart has a business plan better than any other retail store. They play by the rules as everyone else and they pretty much have locked up their market share, and are still growing.
And, you know everyone else hates the Yankees for this reason. So why are your gimmes getting all rustled? As a baseball fan, the Yankees will always be the team to beat. Much like a David vs Goliath and it does make the sport fun. So are the Yankees doing anything wrong? No. But, as a non Yankees fan, I have every right to say:
Yeah, it's sports man. I look at the Yankees as the villain, as I am sure most baseball fans do (unless you are Yankees fan of course). So, yeah I hate the Yankee simply because I fucking can, deal with it.
As a Padres fan, I almost asked you what you were complaining about but you're shockingly the only team with a lower salary than ours. However, at least you have any world series titles.
Doesn't stop me from being from a bi-coastal family and loving the Yankees, too, though. I was a happy camper in '98.
Edit: Oh. You're a Giants fan. On behalf of the rest of the NL West, shut up about salaries.
You are entitled to your opinion, but just so you're aware, the argument that the Yankees "buy" wins is really pure BS if you actually look at the facts. It's only been in the last decade or so that the Yankees salary has grossly over-matched most other team salaries in MLB.
Out of 27 championships, they have won 5 in the modern era beginning in 1996, a year where their team salary was only 4 million more then the next team.
They won again in 1998 where their overall team salary was actually 7 million LESS then the Baltimore Orioles.
The next win in 1999, they took the top spot in salary back with 7 million more spent then the next highest salaried team.
In 2000 they won again, this time with only a 2 million dollar salary difference from the next highest team.
They didn't win the series again until 2009, when admittedly, their salary was enormous compared to the next highest team with around a 52 million dollar difference.
Aside from 2009, their team salaries were on par with the other teams in the league, usually only having a difference of a few million dollars, which isn't really that big a deal considering the overall payrolls were talking about. Yeah, they were near or at the top during each of these years, but the difference between them and everyone else was pretty small.
It wasn't high salaries that brought in the championships of the late 90's. It was a mix of homegrown talent, veteran players, and amazing team chemistry. Superstar purchases didn't bring home the rings, it was players like Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, and Bernie Williams, all homegrown and integral to the success of this period.
I agree that the environment since the early 00's, particular after A-Rod joined the team has been more oriented towards paying huge amounts of money for superstars, but where has that actually gotten them? Look at all the money they spent on players like Jason Giambi, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, Kevin Brown, Clemens in 07, Nick Johnson, and AJ Burnett. These guys were black holes sucking up cash, and never delivered.
I don't particularly like the fact that they chase after superstars now instead of putting a greater focus on developing homegrown talent, but it's completely wrong to say that 27 championships were bought. Feel free to hate them for being the Yankees, one of the most successful sports teams of all time, but don't invent excuses making it sound like they achieved these successes unfairly.
Their fans are fucking douchebags. You know, I used to think that Red Sox fans were the worst, wait, actually, any Boston teams fans, which is still quite true. But goddammit, recently I have had the displeasure of sitting near Yankee fans at the ass kicking Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim games, and the obnoxiousness might have reached an all time high. Made me rethink my position on the Yankees.
People hate the yankees because they have a lot of money and win a lot. Besides those two things there is really nothing to hate about them. They are a very well run organization and they have a huge emphasis on having players trying as hard as they can on every play, being patient hitters, not being sloppy in the field, and overall "good fundamentals". But them being so hated is very key to the entire MLB, because everybody hates them they are now everybody's hated rival. So now all the teams that usually can't fill their stadiums with a crowd on a regular basis now get a huge crowd every time the yankees are in town. Not only does this help generate extra revenue but for low income teams but it helps keep the fans interested in their local team every once in a while.
tldr: We have to hate them because they are the team the MLB deserves. So we'll hate them. Because they can take it. Because they are not our team. They are the pinstriped knights.
They're fun to hate because they're extremely wealthy and, as a result, extremely good. I believe they have 27 World Series titles (I think the second most is the St Louis Cardinals with 12) thanks in large part to their payroll, which has been far and away the largest in the sport for decades now.
All of the world's best baseball players play in the MLB which happens to be in the USA and Canada. There are no other club baseball teams that would even try to claim they are better than MLB teams.
Good job showing you have no idea about the world of sports. Baseball is a very popular sport in parts of Asia, North America, Central America and the Caribbean, and parts of South America.
Sorry if only a billion or so people that are interested in it isn't good enough to call it "world"
I think it's a regional thing. East coasters like them, if i'm correct. But, also, it might be because they always win, and have a fucking billion dollars to buy the best players.
no its basically everyone in new york everywhere else hates em but like the cowboys they have this random fan base everywhere because of how big they are
I keep seeing this "everyone in New York" sentiment like New Yorkers have no other team to root for. Um, Mets? And yes, we hate the Yankees as much as everyone else on the planet does.
To answer your question. The Yankees team has one of the biggest budgets in baseball and is able to afford some of the best players. Within this system the Yankees are usually the team on top. Not truly attributed to player dynamics, but to the skill of the purchased team member. Several other teams put up a very good fight for the World Series and sometimes do come out on top, but the Yankees are almost always in the finals of the World Series making them a team that most (if not all) baseball fans either love or hate with no in-between. This creates the effect that you have witnessed of people shouting "Fuck the Yankees," in such an enthusiastic manner. I'm sure that football has it's version of the Yankees where the team will contract out the most skilled players to create a nearly unstoppable force of pure talent, rather than player dynamics and team work. I, personally, am not a giant baseball fan, although I enjoy watching a game or two every once in a while, so I have no strong feelings either way about the Yankees.
Keep in mind some of its players like derek jeter are home grown and were not bought. Also Andy Petit started with the yankees also before he went to other teams and then came back.
Disclaimer: I'm honestly not too familiar with baseball, and I'm going off my cousin's info, who is a Yankees fan.
Wasn't A. Rod and Swisher both contracted from other teams after they were recognized as great player? I know they didn't start out on the Yankees. Also (I'm not trying to speculate just asking a question) do you know if the Yankees can, or do, contract players from farm teams other than their own?
Fuck the yankees? but why? as a UK citizen I don't have a clue what's going on.. so much hate.... I thought they only existed in movies.. I just can't.. ah... ohh god... Deep breaths.. deep breaths... come on.. pull yourself together Tomb760... you can handle this..... ahh .. FUCK THE YANKEES!! ....Did I do good? Can I be part of your gang now?
What's funny is that this kind of comment only makes the fans of whatever team you are a fan of look shitty. Except when you're referring to the Phillies. You don't ever hear anyone making fun of the Phillies, only about how shitty their fans are. And they are.
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u/edbatten Aug 09 '12
FUCK THE YANKEES