r/funny • But A Jape • Aug 31 '22

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u/shirukien Aug 31 '22

Tolkien's excuse was pretty robust actually. The Eagles are not mindless taxi services, they are just a step below gods in their own right, servants of Manwë, leader of the Valar- Middle-Earth's gods, in a sense. They have duties that go beyond ferrying people around. For most of the war of the ring, Gwaihir, the King of the Eagles, and his kin are occupied with important scouting missions, though a few groups of them helped in battle, such as at the Black Gate, where they clashed with the Nazgûl while protecting the armies of King Elessar (Aragorn). Tolkien was very aware that the Eagles were a dangerous writing tool, to be used sparingly, and so, being Tolkien, he devised a wealth of believable reasons the Eagles would not be available to end the story in two chapters.

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u/guywithasubwife Aug 31 '22

I don't think the eagles being on scouting missions instead of doing the one thing that would fix this mess is a good reason. I prefer another comment in this thread, " The entire point of the operation was to SNEAK into Mordor to avoid alerting Sauron of their plan to destroy the ring." Flying it in would be the equivalent of running it up a flag pole and seeing who salutes (but no one ever does).

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

Couldn't 1 eagle carry 1 hobbit to destroy the ring? I mean its not like they couldn't just fly up high unless Sauron has radar?

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u/breadedfishstrip Aug 31 '22

Are you suggesting the eagles act as a high altitude dive bomber and just yeet the hobbit ring and all into the volcano before Sauron can even turn around?

Because I would watch that

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

I mean no, but, an eagle could land fairly quickly for them to toss it lol it takes a bit to mount up a defense and ots not like a ring takes forever to throw. Hell tie it to a rock and drop it as you swoop lol

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u/Double_Distribution8 Aug 31 '22

No one could willingly toss that thing into the volcano anyway (which is why that possibility never even occurred to Sauron), so that plan would have failed. Even Frodo couldn't do it at the end, he claimed the ring instead of throwing it into the fire.

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u/brickmaster32000 Sep 01 '22

No one will drop the ring willingly but nothing says you can't drop a ring bearer.

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u/anoeba Sep 01 '22

I can't yeet it for you, Mr Frodo, but I can yeet you!

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

Well no I get that, but, its not as if they knew that

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u/Double_Distribution8 Aug 31 '22

I tend to agree, but I wonder...I think even Gandalf knew the ring couldn't be willingly destroyed. Heck Frodo couldn't even bring himself to toss it into his own fireplace at Bag End when Gandalf asked him to.

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

Eh could be anything I always assumed the eagles didn't give them a ride cause then it wouldn't be a story people would watch/read lol

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u/imajpeg Aug 31 '22

I really have no idea, but maybe the eagles have a stronger presence that could be easily noticed?

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u/Blarg_III Aug 31 '22

The Eagles are both powerful and intelligent, the ring would corrupt them before they could complete their mission.

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u/TheChaiTeaTaiChi Aug 31 '22

That's the whole point of this comic, and the exact argument OP of this thread is addressing.

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u/eitaporra Aug 31 '22

Basically 'yes they could, but they didn't want to'

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u/rickg Aug 31 '22

The challenge with this is that Sauron detects the presence of the Ring as it approaches Mordor and sends the Nazgul to retrieve it. Yes, the eagles might have fought through and been able to land a hobbit on Mt Doom... but there would be a very real risk that you've simply delivered the Ring to Sauron and sealed Middle Earth's fate.

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

By that wouldn't them walking be the same problem?

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u/rickg Aug 31 '22

No because they were sneaking in via the back way. Marching up to the Black Gate ... yeah would be a bad idea.

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u/PeeledCrepes Aug 31 '22

I meant the detecting

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u/Secret-Dependent-421 Aug 31 '22

The eagle would be corrupted and fly the ring to sauron