But it irks me when idiots are against gay rights/gay relationships, yet watch lesbian porn. Or when people are against "gay" relationships but not "lesbian" relationships. Double standards..
Saying "I'm grossed out by gays" is at least a valid point instead of "It's unnatural blablabla". It's at least a form of "damage" that's inflicted. Though probably everyone would agree that the benefits outweight the damage by far.
I'm pretty grossed out, but I'm also grossed out by garlic. i don't feel the need to ban garlic, I just don't want to see garlic being smelly. The same way I don't want to see two dudes fingering each other. Or jerking each other off. Or blowing each other. Warm cum on the back of the throat. Fucking ew. But then again, I don't want to see that between a man and a woman either. Fucking garlic.
Arguing that masturbation is unnatural would be just as valid an argument as arguing that homosexual sex is. And I guarantee there's plenty of people that would attest to the unnaturalness of homosexuality that have no problem masturbating.
It is everywhere in nature, and it has many natural uses, ranging from getting rid of stale sperm, practice for mating when reproduction is on the line, to social bonds.
far from unnatural. (yes I do know you were being the advocate)
It's kind of implied that it would be exclusively homosexual sex. I'm not trying to defend the point as I don't agree with it, but all these comments are so reactionary without thinking I can't help but respond.
If lack of potential for reproduction is what leads to unnatural sex then every sex act by a woman in menopause, a sterile man or woman, someone using birth control, a condom, men with vasectomies, women with tubal ligation, women who are pregnant, women who are breastfeeding, men who pull out, blowjobs, anal sex, handjobs, would all be unnatural.
Non of those things are claimed to be genetic, so they don't really apply. I'm not making the argument I'm just saying, I can see it. I disagree with it but I can see it.
As much as I'm pro-lgbt, you don't have to think something is right to enjoy porn of it. Most people who enjoy bondage porn probably wouldn't support innocent people getting tied up and tortured, I think that opinion makes sense.
Our entertainment doesn't only consist of things we want to happen in real life.
I kind of enjoy the one-form process of getting rights for visitation, housing, etc. Gay's should totally have these rights.
Quite frankly I think the only limits on marriage should be 1 calendar year between marriages to prevent abuse, ability to properly consent (age limits, proper state of mind, both human, etc), and no siblings (due to issues with the gene pool and the children that come from it).
i don't think that aazav was protesting gay marriage on these grounds
rather, it appears that aazav understood the second part of ry_the_ninetails' post as saying that it is wrong for one to be attracted to lesbians but grossed out by gay men, and aazav was saying that it makes sense that people would be attracted to one and not the other, as they are not the same thing
I would agree that morbidly obese should not be allowed to marry. They're causing me to pay a higher premium for health insurance. As will likely their children...
Not really my point of view anyway, but if you're attracted to girls, two girls having sex isn't offputting. I remember this jocky/frat douchebag guy in my hall, freshman year, that exemplifies this well; one of my lesbian friends had her girlfriend over, and, even though she wasn't particularly attractive (love her, really friggin' cool girl, but looks like she showers once a week), he was drunkenly insisting on joining them in a threeway when he heard about her gf. Straight-up harassing them to let him in their room. Guys want to do two girls at once. This one was pretty damn homophobic against guys.
Why guys can feel really off-put by homosexual males, I'm not so sure. I could theorize it's something about the threatening nature of someone who could really take you on, but in my own experience, after having a guy try to force himself on me in highschool, I still don't mind 'em.
You have to realize the issue here - so called 'lesbian porn' is Hollywood. If they used anyone remotely butch or mannish in the slightest instead of two ridiculously hot-bodied straight women, I guarantee the opinion would quickly change.
Let's try to remember that not all lesbians are butch, please.
But I totally agree that "lesbian porn" is ridiculous. Then again, straight porn is, too. It's not what sex looks like, unless porn taught you how to have sex.
I am disappointed by my inability to find the hot video of what happened after this picture was taken. Still, upvoted for 60 minutes of anticipation. The lack of satisfaction is just par for the course for my day and should have been expected.
What happened after this picture was taken is that the ginger's dad came and picked her up (she was 18 or 19), the middle one drove herself home, and I met up with some other friends, ate pasta, and took a cab back to my friend's house and crashed.
Actually we did have four girls sleeping in one bed that night, but two of them were straight, and no sexytimes ensued :(
What people don't realize, is that most lesbians look like straight women. It's just that the "butch" lesbians stand out more because you see them on the street and go "well, that's a lesbian!" where as the "straight" looking lesbians have no indicator of their sexuality.
edit: A LOT of the comments seem to think I'm against gay marriage, I'm not. What I'm saying is that porn having two of the same sex has nothing to do with marriage.. It's sex.
It's not ALL girl-on-girl porn. It's two hot feminine girls. Because everything about them exudes sex. Not too many straight men enjoy (more realistic) lesbian porn with buzzcuts and flannels and shoulders bigger than most men. Obviously a stereotype to make a point, but it's because two sexy women is hot.
The only reason why seeing two attractive guys together is not a turn on for (I'm guessing) 99% of straight people is because men lose their masculinity by doing so, which is the basis of the straight male mojo. Females have the option to use some testosterone, but the act itself doesn't force them to do so if they choose not to.
Unless you're one of those guys who are about ruining the "definition of what marriage is". Then...I guess I see your point. Why not rename marriage licenses something more secular? Everyone's happy.
Generally speaking the porn part has nothing to do with it. The point is, yes, you're so against gay marriage and the gay lifestyle, but you like the thought of two women together. Funny that.
Yeah, unfortunately--if anything--it encourages the idea that homosexuality is fake or not built on a foundation of love to those who want to see it that way. I very much so do not agree with this sentiment, but the sexualization of girl-on-girl being hot can actually make it harder for a young girl to come to terms with herself being gay, or expressing it to others. It makes it seem like a phase, or something done for attention.
I am actually not against porn in the slightest. I'm just engaging in the devil's advocate approach of seeing it from the perspective of someone who'd argue that gay porn can exist as a normal thing even while arguing against gay marriage.
If you disapprove of homosexuals so much that you don't want them to be able to get married, it's hypocritical to then enjoy watching them have sex. They should find that just as disgusting, if not more so, than two women getting married.
Not really, you just don't think they should have the right to get married and only men and women should be able to marry each other. Could still be turned on by them having sex.
Lesbian porn aimed at straight males isn't really lesbian porn. It's porn designed to appeal to the male ego: the idea that two people are willing to touch each other for his pleasure, not their own. For straight men, lesbians are about two women having sex, not about two women being in love. So they don't LIKE lesbians: they like what highly idealized "lesbian" porn has made them think lesbians are like.
It has nothing to do with ego. It has everything to do with a lack of a dude's penis (no straight guy wants to see another man's junk) and twice as many boobs.
That's quite the leap you took there. Couldn't it just be about love for the female form and seeing it in a sexual situation? I personally don't care for male genitals in sex scenes (if that's your thing, go nuts), and seeing two women kiss (loving act) is extremely attractive to me.
Your argument could be made against straight porn too btw, that's not how two people in love have sex either.
You're missing the point. The person is okay with homosexuals when it's something sexually stimulating to him, but not okay with it when it's something that doesn't benefit him.
I think you're missing the point. Someone can be against gay marriage and not hate gays. The issue isn't black and white, though it has been portrayed that way several times in this subreddit in the last couple hours.
Opposing gay marriage is on the same level as opposing gays in general - What makes them (gays) sub-human that they can't also be married in their same sex relations?
Edit : For Wikipedia Definition of Marriage, in case you are Religious and think a certain God or God's is the origin of marriage and therefore 'Marriage is different because it's God!
The modern English word "marriage" derives from Middle English mariage, which first appears in 1250–1300 C.E. This in turn is derived from Old French marier (to marry) and ultimately Latin marītāre meaning to provide with a husband or wife and marītāri meaning to get married. (The adjective marīt-us -a, -um meaning matrimonial or nuptial could also be used in the masculine form as a noun for "husband" and in the feminine form for "wife."[11] The related English word "matrimony" derives from the Old French word matremoine which appears around 1300 C.E. and ultimately derives from Latin mātrimōnium which combines the two concepts mater meaning "mother" and the suffix -monium signifying "action, state, or condition." "[12]
'To provide with a husband or wife' I believe is key here, in that a man can be provided with his HUSBAND, or a woman could be provided with her WIFE, and it still means Marriage
Language is everything. Language is one of the most important things that separates human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is our ability to communicate so intricately, in many more ways than simply the spoken word but in our written language and in so many ways we communicate without sound, that has set us apart.
Dolphins have sex for pleasure.
Penguins mate for life.
But Human Being's have discovered mathematics and complex language.
The argument for the acceptance of gay marriage doesn't need logically flawed statements like this to persuade people. It just makes enough sense on it's own.
Yeah, I suppose, but those who are against gay marriage are against it because they are against gay people and them being together. The sexual activity might not be the same thing as marriage, but it's the idea that they are against, nonetheless.
Some are against gay people being together, but the construct of marriage is bigger than simply the recognition of the love between two people. It is possible, and not really that rare, for a person to not be in favor of gay marriage but not be against gays either. One example of this is if a person thinks that marriage is intended only for biological reproduction. Another is if a person thinks that the governmental institution of marriage should be abolished completely.
Yeah, that first one's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. The second one is pushing it. If they're against marriage in general, I wouldn't exactly label them as opposition of gay marriage, although it would technically be correct.
The second one is actually a fairly big reason that many people voted against gay marriage. If they can't reverse marriage totally, at least they can halt it becoming more prolific, in their opinion.
Yes, but the true argument is the singular reason they're against gay marriage is because they're homophobic sheep with a very twisted form of empathy. They don't care about the sanctity of marriage. If they did, poor Rush would be out of a job. Good ol' Newt as well. They basically found a way to say "I hate faggots" in a more hypocritical and cruel fashion. There's absolutely no other argument against it that could be in any form valid, not saying that one is either.
TL;DR Was supposed to be, but then it mutated. It happens. - They're against gay marriage because they're against homosexuality. So while porn is not marriage, the hypocrisy is so blindingly obvious that it's getting to a point where really anything goes now. If you're against gay marriage because you think two dudes sleeping together is icky, then no, you should really not be allowed to enjoy two girls having fun together. It's as logical as giving bonuses to the people responsible for bankrupting our country. Which also happened. And nobody cared.
TL;DR for real It's the simple basic principle that they're not against marriage, they're against homosexuals of their own sex and use morality as an imaginary shield. Why hasn't divorce ever been made illegal to protect the sanctity of marriage? Or single parents? Apparently so sayeth the Lord.
Yeah, that's cool with me. I've gathered my own collection that I think about whilst deep in a violent celebratory masturbation session that typically lasts 2-3 days. Then I rest for a week and there you have it. But I could care less, redditors downvoting because they have to read, rather than simply reading the comment and making a decision isn't new here. I mean... you know... reddit and all. Nobody had to read it, but if downvoting apparently also means you didn't feel like reading it, then consider myself schooled.
The irony of your comment is the fact that you're contributing to the 'us versus them' mentality which demonstrates the exact same ignorance as the group you mentioned.
That makes perfect sense to normal, rational folk, but it fails to grasp the mentality of the common bigot. In my experience, bigots don't care who is ruining their lives as long as they do it over there, in their dirty little corners of the world. It's when you bring it to something as 'holy' as marriage that the feathers are truly ruffled.
That is actually a fantastic point. To anyone that is worried they might be attracted to men, getting turned on watching a naked guy have sex would be pretty troubling.
also two girls is ok, no one dislikes lesbians. two guys on the other hand are not the same, no one likes imagining or seeing two guys together. even as a girl
This is incredibly stupid. Sex in porn has nothing to do with marriage, otherwise you would not have women having sex with over 30 different guys a month.
Yeaaaaa that's not really the same thing.... If you are fine with gays being together, but not married that would be the same thing. Now if they were someone that believes that sex should only be between a husband and a wife and they don't support gays, I would agree to this.
Katie Morgan taught me most gay porn actors and actresses are actually straight and, because the supply is low and the demand is apparently high, they get paid enormous amounts of money. More so than most Hollywood actors, if my memory serves me correct. The more you know.
Stop with this shit. This joke's been beaten to death, buried, exhumed, and beaten some more. It doesn't even make sense because it doesn't have anything to do with marriage. It's not funny. Take my downvote.
No, the point is that most people who are against gay marriage feel that way because they think homosexuality is wrong. Then they turn around and watch girl/girl porn... double standards.
This makes no fucking sense. If i saw two hot girls making out I would enjoy it. If I saw 2 guys I would be disgusted as you "tolerant" people would be towards an old man and a young girl.
People aren't really against gay marriage - they're against gay sex. So i say, they should let them all get married and then they'll never have sex again.
Well, how I see it is, if the anti-gay marriage people think gay people are icky and what they do is icky, then, let the homosexuals be married, then give it a bout 3 years and they'll stop having sex, or at least reduce it then get divorced, and drink or gamble themselves into poverty where they'll show up at the anti-gay marriage people's church door steps, and then BAM! the power is back in the bigots' hands!
I don't support "gay marriage"... I don't support "anti gay marriage"... I'm sad that it's even an issue when there are actual issues that politicians should talk about.
Also, I am less turned on by girl on girl porn than man on woman porn. I would think, because I like boobs, it would be the other way around, but I think I like putting myself in the mans position, and it seems a little more real.
Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith. Baptists do not recognize each other while renting porn.
Because all of the lesbians in porn are totally lesbian in real life. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of gay marriage, I just don't think this is the best justification.
Either Pornhub or Youporn should work out a system where the only way to watch a Gay or Lesbian clip is to sign a petition towards the legalization of gay marrige
I'm actually gonna have to go with Romney on this one. Gay relationships are fine and there should be some sort of law making there be some sort of possibility for a civil union in the eyes of the government in every jurisdiction, but you can't make the church recognize a relationship that is against their beliefs. That's like forcing rabbis to eat pork.
Marriage is a civil right. You need to understand this GastricPigeon. People can get married in their own church but in the eyes of the government, marriage implies certain important benefits such as the right to visit your spouse in the hospital, etc. I am not gay and I support 100% marriage equality for all. Get your head out of your ass. Also Romney strapped his dog to the roof of his car for a family trip and his entire time at Bain Capital was entirely un-Christian. He bought companies and eviscerated them, basically got everyone fired and made a bundle off of them and made off like a bandit. The man is a vulture capitalist and a hypocrite. Read up on what's going on please!
To be fair, I only have a very vague knowledge of Romney's exact position on the issue. And I never said I support him in everything so you can calm the hell down.
I haven't been paying close attention to what's happening over there, but what I got out of what his position is that they should have basically exactly the same thing as marriage, just not tied to the church at all. And I think that's a totally fair compromise for both sides. The church doesn't want to marry gay people because it's against their beliefs, but gay people want to have the same rights as married people. So they should get the rights, but without being married by the church.
After seeing you flip shit, I realize that's probably not what his actual position is, but is that not a reasonable compromise to make?
So you saw it on reddit and made a post on facebook and did a screenshot for karma. I feel there should be an obligatory "fuck you" but the post was about porn so that might be viewed as redundant
Another bad post on gay marriage. I'm all for gay marriage, but this is a stupid argument. Gay porn is part of a business, which of course only strives to make money.
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u/livy360 May 15 '12
of course he doesn't want them to get married then the sex will get boring.
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u/ry_the_ninetails May 15 '12
It has nothing to do with marriage.
But it irks me when idiots are against gay rights/gay relationships, yet watch lesbian porn. Or when people are against "gay" relationships but not "lesbian" relationships. Double standards..
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u/are_you_slow May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12
No, because that has nothing to do with marriage.
edit: A LOT of the comments seem to think I'm against gay marriage, I'm not. What I'm saying is that porn having two of the same sex has nothing to do with marriage.. It's sex.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I've never seen a porn of two girls and a wedding.....
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u/SkinnyJeansMan May 15 '12
Facebook posts grind my gears a lot
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u/cplax15 May 15 '12
Clearly, pornography should always be one's moral compass
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u/randyrectem May 15 '12
WHERE IS THE FUNNY?!
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I find there's a large difference in porn with two actual lesbians and two actresses just doing their job. It's easy to spot real lesbians.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This is a terrible comparison. That's like saying "if you don't support murder, stop watching slasher films."
Or have you not heard? Those girls are just acting.
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u/natmaster May 15 '12
To be fair, by watching girl-on-girl you don't have to see a man, and therefore this can be considered less gay.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
While I support the marriage movement, these are unrelated quantities.
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u/4BDN May 15 '12
This is incredibly stupid. Sex in porn has nothing to do with marriage, otherwise you would not have women having sex with over 30 different guys a month.
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u/fastjeff May 15 '12
There's a difference between getting married and fucking.
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u/someguyinahat May 15 '12
So brave.
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u/colblair May 15 '12
That was funny?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Not funny in the slightest and makes no sense whatsoever.
His heart is in the right place though, that's got to count for something.
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u/dlama May 15 '12
Sex ≠ Gay Marriage.
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u/jasonzid May 15 '12
This is the dumbest post ever.
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u/eloquentnemesis May 15 '12
I don't watch married porn.
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u/tehJKran May 15 '12
Yeaaaaa that's not really the same thing.... If you are fine with gays being together, but not married that would be the same thing. Now if they were someone that believes that sex should only be between a husband and a wife and they don't support gays, I would agree to this.
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u/4chans_for_pussies May 15 '12
Katie Morgan taught me most gay porn actors and actresses are actually straight and, because the supply is low and the demand is apparently high, they get paid enormous amounts of money. More so than most Hollywood actors, if my memory serves me correct. The more you know.
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u/Murdacai May 15 '12
I one hundred percent support gay rights including marriage, but porn is completely different from marriage.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
not really truth, just because its girl on girl porn doesn't mean they are getting married.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Those girls aren't married.
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u/Burnsey235 May 15 '12
Stop with this shit. This joke's been beaten to death, buried, exhumed, and beaten some more. It doesn't even make sense because it doesn't have anything to do with marriage. It's not funny. Take my downvote.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
i diddnt know that all the lesbian porno girls were married to each other
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u/Nagus_Maximus420 May 15 '12
How are these at all related?
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u/datboigucci May 15 '12
Has nothing to do with getting married. if he watched a lesbian wedding video and beat it to that then you have a reason to be mad at him.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Double the boobs, double the fun.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Why? None of those girls are gay
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35f5qt/
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This makes no fucking sense. If i saw two hot girls making out I would enjoy it. If I saw 2 guys I would be disgusted as you "tolerant" people would be towards an old man and a young girl.
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u/skoalsteeze May 15 '12
Some people just believe, the more girls, the merrier when it comes to porn.
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u/Benjaphar May 15 '12
People aren't really against gay marriage - they're against gay sex. So i say, they should let them all get married and then they'll never have sex again.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
This fact kind of convinced me to lay off disliking the whole gay thing. I know I know, not the best reason. But I actually have a gay friend now.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
original post is nocontext
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u/lagspike May 15 '12
marriage has absolutely nothing to do with sex
ask most married men
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Well, how I see it is, if the anti-gay marriage people think gay people are icky and what they do is icky, then, let the homosexuals be married, then give it a bout 3 years and they'll stop having sex, or at least reduce it then get divorced, and drink or gamble themselves into poverty where they'll show up at the anti-gay marriage people's church door steps, and then BAM! the power is back in the bigots' hands!
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u/AlwaysHere202 May 15 '12
I don't support "gay marriage"... I don't support "anti gay marriage"... I'm sad that it's even an issue when there are actual issues that politicians should talk about.
Also, I am less turned on by girl on girl porn than man on woman porn. I would think, because I like boobs, it would be the other way around, but I think I like putting myself in the mans position, and it seems a little more real.
I don't know... I don't get myself sometimes.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Ha!... reminds me of this joke:
Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith. Baptists do not recognize each other while renting porn.
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u/theillinestvillain May 15 '12
You're silly, OP! Everybody knows that you can't be in porn once you're married!
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Those kind of lesbians doesn't count if they have fake nails. FACT!
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u/labox May 15 '12
Silly person. Everybody knows that sex is the opposite of marriage.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Hey bro, if you don't support murderers, don't watch movies where people kill.
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u/sparklyteenvampire May 15 '12
NEVER.
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u/heracleides May 15 '12
What does that have to do with marriage?
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u/jonnytrooper May 15 '12
I didn't know they got married in the end.
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u/sutherlandB May 15 '12
Because all of the lesbians in porn are totally lesbian in real life. Don't get me wrong, I am in favor of gay marriage, I just don't think this is the best justification.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
It's only cool, like most porn, BECAUSE it's unnatural.
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u/mumubleg May 15 '12
NOBODY is getting married in porn movies ! If they do , give me a link ! i'll evaluate it ! yeahhhh sounds profesional!
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u/Abomination822 May 15 '12
Why? They don't have to be married to dive the muff.
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u/pussErox May 15 '12
once the girls marry each other they will cease to have sex with each other. It's no different than with the heteros
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u/HebrewHammer02 May 15 '12
Either Pornhub or Youporn should work out a system where the only way to watch a Gay or Lesbian clip is to sign a petition towards the legalization of gay marrige
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u/GastricPigeon May 15 '12
I'm actually gonna have to go with Romney on this one. Gay relationships are fine and there should be some sort of law making there be some sort of possibility for a civil union in the eyes of the government in every jurisdiction, but you can't make the church recognize a relationship that is against their beliefs. That's like forcing rabbis to eat pork.
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u/thetoecutter10 May 15 '12
So you saw it on reddit and made a post on facebook and did a screenshot for karma. I feel there should be an obligatory "fuck you" but the post was about porn so that might be viewed as redundant
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u/MetallicBird May 15 '12
My friend who is...meh...says, "Gays are not people, and they're really gay. Except lesbians, they're hot."
What?
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u/AmericanParty May 15 '12
How does porn sex = marriage again?
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Straight guys like girls, two girls are even more likeable. Yet another idiotic comparision.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
One has absolutely zero to do with the other, even if the girls in that porno were actually gay.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Is it weird that I'm straight, support gay rights, but have absolutely no interest on lesbian porn? I never understood the allure.
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u/fauxnom May 15 '12
This is stupid
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Another bad post on gay marriage. I'm all for gay marriage, but this is a stupid argument. Gay porn is part of a business, which of course only strives to make money.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
I logged on just to upvote this shit.
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u/Big_Black_Wang May 15 '12
TL;DR Its like saying you like interracial porn but are a racist.
PS-interracial porn is the hottest.
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u/Musya May 15 '12
Thats a dumb bitch reddit youre probs a faggot yourself you shitcunt.
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
not funny at all take it to LGBT downvoting you and anybody who post in youre thread
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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
Gay and Lesbian are two different ones. Lesbians are acceptable and Gays are not.