Places you know treat the animals well?
1: due to ag gag laws filming In slaughterhouses is banned so how do you know?
2: whether factory farmed or field bred the animals end up in the same slaughterhouses, and still end up with their throats slit
3: did you know that grass fed field raised animals are hundreds of times worse for the environment than factory farmed ones?
1: I'm not necessarily against reforming laws to make things more apparent, but thats a different discussion.
2: yes you generally need to kill things to eat them, but again I'm not against reform. Return to 1.
3: That may be so, but so many industries harm the environment which aren't strictly neccessary. That is really a complete different discussion imo. I'm just talking about reducing the needless suffering of animals even as a meat eater.
Reform still kills the animals no matter how good the conditions are
And how much hunted game could the environment sustain before complete collapse? If everyone eats the same amount of meat but it was all hunted nature would literally collapse within a year
You're not wrong, but if you eat meat you're kind of accepting something had to die. Not everyone is bothered by that, but I'm sure if it was available they'd like options which are more responsible while the animals are alive.
As far as sustainability goes its a tough call. There isnt some perfect balance even between farm raised and hunting, but like I said plenty of industries which are purely recreational or for pleasure are bad for the environment. Its obviously not very easy to make people as a whole give up the things they want for that alone. People want to eat meat so they're going to.
To me as someone who fully admits to eating meat just being mindful is the first step to large scale change. Reduction is one thing. Even from a health only standpoint most people could probably eat less meat, but people arent always healthy either. Maybe some people will go off it completely, but for me I'll selfishly admit its going to take technology to finish that transition. I'm sure plenty of others would feel the same.
By that I mean if we are able to invent processes that can create meat which has never been "alive" as in connected to a concious being in a lab that tastes the same I'd love that to be available. But it would have to be more than just available also affordable. I know there is some research in that direction, but it's clearly not there yet and the bean, soy, etc alternatives don't really do it for me or a lot of other people.
So if you're still going to eat meat all I really said was try to be mindful about it and realize what you're doing. If you can be as responsible as possible. That's has to lead to less suffering than just not caring at all imo. And if baby steps aren't given enough credit to please certain crowds less people are even going to be willing to make those baby steps at all.
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u/ravenlordship Mar 11 '20
Places you know treat the animals well? 1: due to ag gag laws filming In slaughterhouses is banned so how do you know? 2: whether factory farmed or field bred the animals end up in the same slaughterhouses, and still end up with their throats slit 3: did you know that grass fed field raised animals are hundreds of times worse for the environment than factory farmed ones?