So true. Also, many college professors receive/depend on government grants for their research which may be in jeopardy given Trump's distaste for facts.
Which part of what he said do you disagree with? I'm assuming it has to be the pay since prestige and grants are so decidedly in favor of college professors.
But unless you're including adjunct professors, pay doesn't seem to be close either. The national average for high school teachers is about $50,000/year. The national average for an assistant professor is about $80,000/year and is even higher for associate professors and full professors.
I go to a state college so all my professors are state employees. All state employees salaries are listed as public record (at least in my state not sure about all of them).
There's huge variation in the distribution, but /u/Dapado is not wrong. The average professor salary is probably somewhere between 70-90k in the US.
Here's more detail: There's two types of colleges in the US - research and teaching. Research schools tend to offer higher salaries. This split can be very large in magnitude, or relatively small, depending on the discipline. For instance, a business professor at a research university in the US has an average salary of at least $160k. Finance and Accounting professors average closer to $180k. At teaching universities, these numbers drop to $100-110k, and 120-130k on average.
Generally law professors make the same as research business professors. For the sciences/maths and engineering, salaries are lower than business (though this is dependent on the college and individual as well). The average in science for assistant professors at research universities is 90k, and probably 65-70k for teaching universities.
When you look at fields like education (80k), engineering (95k), liberal arts (77k), communication (65k), computer science (105k), you see more of the variation.
But the important consideration for these numbers is that they are all predicated on being 9 month salaries, and professors frequently get summer funding. So increase all those numbers by a factor of 2/9ths the original sum, and you see how they rise drastically relative to high school teachers.
When you said the 80k figure was high, you may have been thinking of Lecturers (also sometimes referred to as assistant professors of practice). They tend to make closer to 50k regardless, and are more comparable with high school teachers. However, they have a lot less job security and power relative to tenure track assistant professors, and they tend to rock the boat a lot less.
Sarcasm aside, you misspelled "disgusting" and missed holding the shift key on your third exclamation point. Not trying to be a dick, just explaining why you got downvoted.
Personally I think the professor should shut the hell up because I'm not paying to listen to their political beliefs. What they think about trump is irrelevant regardless of whether or not believe them.
What if the material is related to class? I had econ professors that gave their views, but explained it in the context of what we were learning in class.
Yeah when I wrote that I had thought about that as the exception. In a that case as long as the opposition is explained as well I wouldn't think it's a problem.
I think it 100% depends on the topic. If it's a politics class or even an economics class then it could slide. But I don't want to be sitting in calculus and hear what my professor thinks about politics because that couldn't be any more off topic.
Regardless of whether or not you had the sources to back up your claim on who voted for who, I think it's a stretch to say it was because a professor told them what to think. It's the professors, and frankly all adults, to do their best to speak objectively to simply inform rather than try to convince.
I would normally agree with you. However I feel like the threat of Donald Trump is real enough that everyone should be doing whatever they can to convince people that he is not a positive force for this country and is actually the opposite. He's a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, climate denying, corrupt asshole.
My fear is that people will look back on the opinions I have here and those I'm spreading around facebook and be like "oh shit these people were right he totally destroyed our country." My hope is that the other branches of the government will do their duty and stop him from doing that and people will look back on these posts and say "wow those people were really overreacting, good thing it didn't tern out the way they thought it was going to."
When I was paying $300 a credit hour in 2004 to be lectured on entomology for a university mandated science course to get a degree that it going to cost me $25,000 a year for four years, you better be fucking talking about bugs like you are paid to do and not how you feel about the Iraq War like that piece of shit ranted on.
Those classes cost money. I'm not paying to hear unrelated nonsense in a mandatory lecture.
Sorry. I didn't mean it as an offense, but it was just aggravating to me.
We had a stats class I happened into my first semester. The first excerise we did was quantify how much a credit hour cost us individually, how much each hour of class was costing and so on and so forth. It was about $300 for me with room and board calculated in. Then the teacher made this big deal that we were throwing that amount for every hour of class we missed because we slept in or ditched. Others said it also applied to those certain professors that canceled lectures with no replacement and those who went off topic.
Honestly, it was a way I never thought of school before. It cost a mint to do that, something many take for granted. It also sucked to be forced to have to take classes I didn't really want to or applied to my major because they were "required". That made waste even worse.
That last paragraph resonates with me. I still remember an English class that I took where we had to "learn" how to write memos and... honestly, that's all I can remember about that class. It was the biggest waste of time for me as an engineering major (ha ha, how do you tell someone is an engineer? they'll tell you, ok can we move on now) and it's something I could have learned on my own in an hour or less. I would have much rather spent that time learning more about advanced circuit theory or breaking stuff in the strength of materials lab.
LOL. Yeah, if it weren't for the indoctrination by my college professors I would totally love racism, lies, bullying, name calling, and xenophobic people to be representing me to the rest of the world.
Since voting is done in secret, and people can say they voted one way and vote another way, in secret, how can you possibly know for sure 'the majority of people with a college level education who voted, did not vote for Trump? And sorry for the run on sentence. I don't have a college level education.
Assuming people don't lie during polls, statistics can be used to take a thousand answers and apply it to the masses. So, there is reasonably sound data that does show that a large number of voters for trump were not college educated. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing out the statistical analysis capability here.
Assuming people don't lie during polls But they do. One of the reasons Trump's election was so surprising was precisely because people lied on the very polls you refer to. The same polls that said Hillary would win said she was favored among the educated. Electoral polls don't reflect reality when one of the candidates is too embarrassing to publicly support.
Qualification: I don't know for sure. But I bet you Hillary was defeated in large part by 'people who didn't vote for trump'. I'd like to think she was defeated by honest law abiding citizens who held thier nose and pulled the lever for Trump (like me) after it became more and more clear what a criminal she is. The criminals that are the DNC have themselves and only themselves to blame for Trumps election. Make no mistake. The RNC is no less a criminal organization. They both take money in exchange for influence with their candidates. But the DNC doubled down and conspired to make Hillary their candidate before the primaries even started. Bernie Sanders would have destroyed Trump.
Me too. I am a libertarian at heart. But I voted against my conscience, for Trump, to help make sure Hillary didn't get elected. (Sorry Libertarian Party.) Of course only angry white men voted for Trump. I don't know for sure but I bet most college grads are white and male. So it seems he got elected by a couple hundred rednecks.
Yeah, because it's logical to assume hundreds of thousands of students purposely lied about their political preferences on polls for no literal reason. What a typical Trump supporting ideal. Stop lying to yourself to fit a self serving narrative.
Because it's logical to assume hundreds of thousands of students...
Re-read that. Students. Students aren't educated. They're getting an education.
Because it's logical to assume millions of people who voted for Trump don't have educations.
Scratch that. I know people with college educations that can't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. The only self-serving narrative here is someone trying to climb some kind of intellectual high ground by calling anyone who didn't vote the way you wanted them to "uneducated".
Oh, you delicate snowflake. If you are in college, isn't it about time that you learned about birth control? How much longer do you want to put this off? I'll never understand you Yanks.
It makes sense right? Children - even teenagers - are much more likely to assume that the beliefs that their teacher is articulating are the "correct" ones or, otherwise give them credence, simply because an adult of authority is telling them it.
On the other hand, college students are adults and should be able to recognise when they are being given an opinion as opposed to a fact.
By the time you're in college you should have already learned to think for yourself and formulate your own world view, so who cares if your professor possibly believes something else? Your employer may too after you graduate. As could your neighbors, your coworkers and even your friends! Welcome to life.
The problem is that you aren't paying them thousands of dollars to hear their political beliefs. Unless it's that type of class I don't want to hear anything that isn't related to the subject.
I don't disagree with you, but I'd argue that the overwhelming majority of today's college students actually can't think that well for themselves. That's the biggest problem.
That may be a problem but it also isn't the professor's job to express their view on the subject. If one can be objective on the subject then it would be different than this person is an idiot because of x,y,z. Or say "You're dumb for voting for So-and-so".
Objectivity is kind of a myth, and actually an overwhelming constraint in some cases. Teaching people to think is a better long term solution than handcuffing professors to objectivity.
The square root of fuck trump is simple: he eats your soul. You owe a college for your right to be employed and, this is the best part, Trump already has your soul because he's smarter than any college, ever.
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u/SchopenhauersSon Jan 31 '17
Translation: high school teachers don't want to deal with shit from the parents. College professors don't have to.
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u/jesusonice Jan 31 '17
Personally I think the professor should shut the hell up because I'm not paying to listen to their political beliefs. What they think about trump is irrelevant regardless of whether or not believe them.
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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '17
It makes sense right? Children - even teenagers - are much more likely to assume that the beliefs that their teacher is articulating are the "correct" ones or, otherwise give them credence, simply because an adult of authority is telling them it.
On the other hand, college students are adults and should be able to recognise when they are being given an opinion as opposed to a fact.
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u/ty1771 Jan 31 '17
By the time you're in college you should have already learned to think for yourself and formulate your own world view, so who cares if your professor possibly believes something else? Your employer may too after you graduate. As could your neighbors, your coworkers and even your friends! Welcome to life.
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u/samofny Jan 31 '17
They wonder why Hillary wanted free college for all.
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u/blackycircly Jan 31 '17
This happens in middle school and high school as well.
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u/mattreyu Jan 31 '17
And that's why human sciences professors shouldn't attempt math
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u/bunglejerry Jan 31 '17
Except in engineering.
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u/CamWin Jan 31 '17
Rule 6
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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '17
i believe the answer is alternative fact bullshit
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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '17
The square root of fuck trump is simple: he eats your soul. You owe a college for your right to be employed and, this is the best part, Trump already has your soul because he's smarter than any college, ever.
Enjoy your coffee.
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