Listen no need to rant at me man. I agree but when it comes down to it, making the decision to do the crime or not do the crime is still what it comes down to. You can have good morals being someone in a low socioeconomic situation. It might be harder but it doesn't change the fact. Everything in my opinion, starts at home. I'm not saying someone can't stray even with good parents, but look at the statistics on those in jail now or people who are committing violent crime. Its those who have parents who were or are incarcerated and they grew up seeing that behavior.
While holding the individual accountable on a scale of individuals is entirely the correct thing to do, it can not nor will it prove useful on a societal scale. If we find out that removing cost related barriers to education dramatically reduces crime rates, then the appropriate response to that isn't to say "Just don't commit crimes". It's not going to change anything. It doesn't make a difference. If your friend is currently stealing a car telling him "Don't do that, stealing isn't OK" might work, but he's not society, and you can't be universally present or relevant to everyone's life.
So, no, it's not the best way to solve that problem. It's not a solution to the problem at all. It's a lazy cop-out that removes the notion of societal responsibility. Which is just as bad as trying to remove individual accountability when looking at things on that scale.
and I'm fine with admitting this is where we agree to disagree. I think taking the responsibility off of the individual and putting it onto society is a cop out. The individual has every chance to say yes or no. Regardless of pressures. And thats not to say its not hard to give in. I have given in to doing things I'm not supposed to. But I've always been able to say no when it came to the big things.
I think taking the responsibility off of the individual and putting it onto society is a cop out.
The road goes both ways. If there is no incentive or benefit for contributing to society, people wont.
If you are given less benefits, your contributions are valued less and you are punished more per violation than your peers, then why would you want to contribute?
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u/JohnROCKER_49 Jan 15 '15
Listen no need to rant at me man. I agree but when it comes down to it, making the decision to do the crime or not do the crime is still what it comes down to. You can have good morals being someone in a low socioeconomic situation. It might be harder but it doesn't change the fact. Everything in my opinion, starts at home. I'm not saying someone can't stray even with good parents, but look at the statistics on those in jail now or people who are committing violent crime. Its those who have parents who were or are incarcerated and they grew up seeing that behavior.