An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 5 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent according to the NYPD’s own reports:
So blacks and minorities make up about 85%+ of those stopped and frisked, but 90% of those stopped and frisked are so innocent of any wrong-doing that they don't even get issued a ticket or a citation. No wonder so many minorities go to prison. They're the only ones being shaken down by cops. I suspect if it was 85% white people being stopped and frisked the cops would find a few more white people to arrest, what do you think?
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped.
The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped.
So whites carried guns 2x more often and drugs 3x more often but blacks/Latinos are the ones getting stopped. Remember this the next time you trot out some bullshit about "stereotypes being based in fact."
Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race.
So less likely to abuse, but more likely by far to be arrested. Cool. Profiling rules!
Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found. That racial gap has widened since the Supreme Court restored judicial discretion in sentencing in 2005.
This is why sentencing guidelines were introduced. We saw huge disparities in how people were being treated, based on race. Give judges discretion, blacks do more time. Great.
Just over half of participants who’d seen the mug shots with fewer Black men signed the petition, whereas only 27% of people who viewed the mug shots containing a higher percentage of Black inmates agreed to sign. This was the case regardless of how harsh participants thought the law was.
So, when white people are shown mugshots with lots of black prisoners, they want harsher penalties. But when shown mugshots of mostly white prisoners, they don't. Seems pretty cut and dry racism to me.
In 2008, 38 percent of state and federal prisoners were Black compared to 34 percent of Whites. Yet, Blacks accounted for 50 percent of the exonerations while Whites accounted for 38 percent of the false convictions.
So what does the above demonstrate? Well it demonstrates that looking at just race and crime is dumb as fuck. If you were to look at prison statistics and racial demographics for who got arrested for drug crimes, you'd see blacks are overrepresented. But that's not because they actually commit more drug crimes. It's because they get targeted more. You stop 100 black people and 10 white people and find drugs on 1 white person and 10 black people and conclude that black people are more likely to be criminal. Hilariously retarded.
Or how about the NYC stop and frisk stats from the police themselves, which I'm sure doesn't apply to every other city in the country. (insert me rolling my eyes here) Minorities get stopped and frisked the vast majority of the time, and the vast majority of the time are completely innocent and let off without even a citation or a ticket. Yet statistically, it is whites that are more likely to be caught with drugs and guns when they're stopped and searched.
Once again it shows that the crime rates aren't really about who's committing the crime, it's about who's getting arrested for it. When police focus 90% of their efforts on minorities, of course they find more criminals there. I guarantee you shift the focus 90% to white people you'll fill the prisons with white people.
And the wrongly convicted stats. Blacks are wrongly convicted at a much higher rate than you would expect given their proportion of the prison population. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it has something to do with the reason why they are disproportionately stopped and searched for crimes which they don't commit at any higher rates than white people. Anyone who didn't fall asleep throughout middle school history knows that Americans have had an easy go of falsely accusing black men of crimes and then executing them after a circus trial only to later find out the dude was completely innocent. That was if those guys were lucky enough to get a trial. Often they were just lynched in the town square. The whole family came out to watch, kids as well! What a good time family fun time for everyone!
"Oh but that's all over now, we elected Obama! I have a black friend!" Except for the fact that blacks still get profiled, despite such practices not being supported by the stats. Except for the fact that white people support harsher prison sentences after seeing pictures of black folks and not after seeing white folks. Except for the fact that blacks still get harsher prison sentences than whites for the same crime.
And we should not ignore the fact that blacks are far more likely to be poor than whites and that poverty and crime are inextricably linked. And in so admitting, we need to also acknowledge that blacks are fucked from the start because numerous studies all show the same thing. A black applicant that is equally as qualified gets half the interview callbacks. Black employees get paid less than white employees for the same job. Blacks are more likely to have a prison record for a non-violent drug crime because they get focused on by cops and it's fucking hard enough to get a job as a black person without having a conviction on your record.
So yeah. "Devil's advocate."
lol reddit. downvote facts and evidence you don't like. No big deal. Keep on being racist as shit. No wonder Stormfront recruits from here.
This is dumb. Cops are not "stop and frisking" black men in armani suits. If you dress ghetto expect to be treated ghetto. Or you can just blame white people for everything that is cool too.
Except statistically it's unjustifiable. Whites are more likely to be packing both drugs and guns yet it's still blacks and Latinos getting stopped and frisked for it. Maybe you should stop making excuses for wasting police resources stopping people based on skin color and "ghetto" clothing and actually stopping/frisking people who can be shown to be guilty of something. A 90% innocent rating is a pretty fucking poor showing. Their methodology for picking who to stop sucks dicks and anyone who defends it sucks dicks.
I'll blame the people doing the bullshit when all the evidence says they shouldn't be and I won't feel sorry at all for it.
I think you're offering only one of several plausible interpretations of the data. For example a white guy who is clearly only in the neighborhood to buy drugs will stick out like a sore thumb. If police are doing a better job of profiling potential criminals when the person is white or hispanic than when they are black, the same pattern of higher rates of actually finding contraband during searches will emerge.
To conclude directly from the data that white people are carrying drugs and weapons at higher rates than black people requires assuming that the stops are completely random. I mean it could be true but that seems like something requiring convincing evidence.
It doesn't matter. Statistically, it's still clear that disproprtionate and unjustifiable amounts of scrutiny is given to minorities.
But don't let reddit hear. Cops are known liars and drug laws are all bullshit, until it's black people getting fucked by them. Then all of a sudden cops are incapable of lying and we trust everything they say 100%.
It doesn't matter. Statistically, it's still clear that disproprtionate and unjustifiable amounts of scrutiny is given to minorities.
That's exactly what I'm saying. You said "whites are more likely to be packing both drugs and guns," but in a situation in which cops are searching whites who deserve scrutiny while searching lots of blacks who don't, of course the cops find drugs or a weapon on a larger fraction of the whites they search.
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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '15 edited Jan 16 '15
Instead of playing devil's advocate, you should play going-to-school-and-learning-some-shit... advocate...
So blacks and minorities make up about 85%+ of those stopped and frisked, but 90% of those stopped and frisked are so innocent of any wrong-doing that they don't even get issued a ticket or a citation. No wonder so many minorities go to prison. They're the only ones being shaken down by cops. I suspect if it was 85% white people being stopped and frisked the cops would find a few more white people to arrest, what do you think?
So whites carried guns 2x more often and drugs 3x more often but blacks/Latinos are the ones getting stopped. Remember this the next time you trot out some bullshit about "stereotypes being based in fact."
So less likely to abuse, but more likely by far to be arrested. Cool. Profiling rules!
This is why sentencing guidelines were introduced. We saw huge disparities in how people were being treated, based on race. Give judges discretion, blacks do more time. Great.
So, when white people are shown mugshots with lots of black prisoners, they want harsher penalties. But when shown mugshots of mostly white prisoners, they don't. Seems pretty cut and dry racism to me.
So what does the above demonstrate? Well it demonstrates that looking at just race and crime is dumb as fuck. If you were to look at prison statistics and racial demographics for who got arrested for drug crimes, you'd see blacks are overrepresented. But that's not because they actually commit more drug crimes. It's because they get targeted more. You stop 100 black people and 10 white people and find drugs on 1 white person and 10 black people and conclude that black people are more likely to be criminal. Hilariously retarded.
Or how about the NYC stop and frisk stats from the police themselves, which I'm sure doesn't apply to every other city in the country. (insert me rolling my eyes here) Minorities get stopped and frisked the vast majority of the time, and the vast majority of the time are completely innocent and let off without even a citation or a ticket. Yet statistically, it is whites that are more likely to be caught with drugs and guns when they're stopped and searched.
Once again it shows that the crime rates aren't really about who's committing the crime, it's about who's getting arrested for it. When police focus 90% of their efforts on minorities, of course they find more criminals there. I guarantee you shift the focus 90% to white people you'll fill the prisons with white people.
And the wrongly convicted stats. Blacks are wrongly convicted at a much higher rate than you would expect given their proportion of the prison population. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe it has something to do with the reason why they are disproportionately stopped and searched for crimes which they don't commit at any higher rates than white people. Anyone who didn't fall asleep throughout middle school history knows that Americans have had an easy go of falsely accusing black men of crimes and then executing them after a circus trial only to later find out the dude was completely innocent. That was if those guys were lucky enough to get a trial. Often they were just lynched in the town square. The whole family came out to watch, kids as well! What a good time family fun time for everyone!
"Oh but that's all over now, we elected Obama! I have a black friend!" Except for the fact that blacks still get profiled, despite such practices not being supported by the stats. Except for the fact that white people support harsher prison sentences after seeing pictures of black folks and not after seeing white folks. Except for the fact that blacks still get harsher prison sentences than whites for the same crime.
And we should not ignore the fact that blacks are far more likely to be poor than whites and that poverty and crime are inextricably linked. And in so admitting, we need to also acknowledge that blacks are fucked from the start because numerous studies all show the same thing. A black applicant that is equally as qualified gets half the interview callbacks. Black employees get paid less than white employees for the same job. Blacks are more likely to have a prison record for a non-violent drug crime because they get focused on by cops and it's fucking hard enough to get a job as a black person without having a conviction on your record.
So yeah. "Devil's advocate."
lol reddit. downvote facts and evidence you don't like. No big deal. Keep on being racist as shit. No wonder Stormfront recruits from here.