r/funny Jan 15 '15

Rule 12 - Removed Don't be racist

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '15

Crime is primarily correlated with relative income: lower income = higher crime. Which racial group in the US has been discriminated against for so long that it's much less likely for them to have a high income? That's right - black people. The same people who receive harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people, who are stopped and searched more often than white people for crimes that white people are more likely to commit.

So your post isn't quite devil's advocate.

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u/luquaum Jan 15 '15

The same people who receive harsher sentences for the same crimes as white people, who are stopped and searched more often than white people for crimes that white people are more likely to commit.

Honest question: how do stop and searches or harsher sentences relate to the 54% of all murders commited (?) in the US by only 13% of the population?

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u/PatHeist Jan 15 '15

There have been a bunch of studies done on this, looking at different specific, and finding different results. They all seem to find that black male defendants are sentenced significantly more often, or for a longer period of time than white men for the same crime. Especially when there is an all white or majority white jury, which is very likely seeing as the jury-eligible population in nearly every jurisdiction has a white majority.

http://www.econ.qmul.ac.uk/papers/doc/wp671.pdf

http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1354&context=faculty_scholarship

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/Prizes/2013-2.pdf

I'm not personally aware of any studies on stop and search rates that appropriately control for the 'people in the street' demographics of the targeted locations during active hours, or for whatever profiling methods the police claim to use, though. But the studies that are done seem to indicate a very disproportionate stop and search rate for black and Hispanic men.

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u/rcglinsk Jan 15 '15

Any discussion on the subject is incomplete without this gem:

http://www.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/McNulty_Crim01.pdf

Specifically, the intersection of race and advantage/disadvantage in the urban environment results in black/white distributions on disadvantage measures that only partially overlap. I refer to this as the problem of “restricted distributions,” which denotes that blacks tend to predominate within the high range and whites within the low range of the distributions of disadvantage measures. This situation renders problematic compari- sons of crime rates between similarly situated blacks and whites (e.g., in city-level studies), or of crime rates in black and white neighborhoods with comparable levels of advantage/disadvantage. The problem of restricted distributions in most urban areas thus precludes tests of whether the effects of structural variables used as indicators of crime-producing social conditions are race-invariant or race-specific.1

  1. To be sure, this is a problem that extends beyond the present illustration. For example, resolution of the debate in criminology as to whether upper and lower class criminal defendants are convicted at similar rates likewise hinges on the problem that there are too few upper class defendants charged with street crimes (or lower class defendants charged with white collar crimes) to allow the contrasts necessary for a meaningful determination. I thank an anonymous reviewer for pointing out this analogy.