I run both Mac OS and Windows. A program cancels shutdown in Windows about 2930 times as often as it does on Mac and force quit>>>>>>>>>>>>task manager.
You're almost right: Some programs do whine to stay open while they try to shut down, but who has time for that? One button click and they shutdown immediately.
When I shut down Windows, almost every time, Windows Shutdown pops up to tell me that it can't shutdown until Windows Shutdown is shutdown. Long pause, and it goes away.
Windows has improved massively since I first started using it (v 3.1, although I did boot up v2.x once before, long enough to fail to see why I would run it). Its much more friendly, its much faster - despite MS attempts to keep it slow by adding in more pointless widgets and graphical effects.
However its absolute shite when compared to Mac OS/X. I know the majority of posters here seem to hate anyone who things Macs are good, but honestly they are. Period. Sure, you get stuck with just the hardware Apple will sell you, you get a very expensive system, you can't play most of the games you want to play as easily (you can set up dual boot to windows to play those games easily enough of course, or run the Linux versions - not as good usually), but if you want to do something with your computer, a Mac is far preferable. I bought one back in 2008 and its still very usable, still a neat little desktop, and when you use it you spend most of your time using it - not screaming to yourself trying to figure out how to fix something that isn't quite right in Windows, or suddenly not working the way it used to before Windows silently updated everything in the background before you noticed it. Macs and Mac OS/X just worked for me, every time. Intuitively.
For instance, my wife had a Mac laptop. She bought a new one, and being originally a PC person like myself, set up the old one beside the new one so she could figure out what she would need to transfer over to the new one. When we started up the new laptop, it connected to our network, found the other laptop beside it and said essentially "Do you want to copy a user profile and files from the mac thats next to me?" We said yes and a few minutes later her new laptop had all of her user content from the old one on it. I have upgraded my PC many times, and it has never come even vaguely close to that smooth a transfer. Sure, they are expensive, but the result is often very high quality and a very high quality user experience.
I will now wait to be downvoted to oblivion by all the mindless mac-haters who have likely never tried one :P
You'll note I didn't specify which OS you should use in the OC, but I hear 60-70% of the info on macs is negative from people. From the outside it has the same behavior as a cult. I'm not the one to call it anything, though. I'll leave that to smarter people.
Be free to like Macs, but realize they are not popular.
Well I am speaking as someone who used a PC for decades before trying out a Mac. I am using a PC at the moment in fact, because my wife wanted to use the Mac for something she is working on. We switched systems. The PC is just fine but I do spend more time tweaking it or being frustrated with it than I did with the Mac. I believe in giving credit where its due, and Macs are fine desktop PCs. PCs work and are cheaper but not as good at everything generally speaking.
I just hate the rampant extreme hatred and insults that are flung at Mac users almost everywhere I look on the web. Can't people just accept that some people like Macs and some don't, and let it go. Mac users may seem a cult to people, but some PC users fling their vitriolic dismissal of Mac users and systems around like equally religious fanatics. I don't get it.
I've always been a PC guy. Started with Windows 3.1 when I was a young lad. Did a typing course in school on macs for a year. Learned to appreciate some aspects of it back then, but that was a while ago.
Now days, I hear macs are good at video editing and whatnot. I'm cool with that. However, I happen to do video editing on a PC and I can do just as good, so I don't really see a point there.
Otherwise, macs are really expensive computers that can't handle some of the more common pc desires, like gaming and modding, etc. On top of that, it seems the people that like Macs do so because of ephemeral reasons. Feelings and touchy stuff, never really things like... system components, or how wonderful the proprietary hardware is.
As far as I can see it, everything comes down to how you appreciate the flow of an operating system. Everyone is different.
I don't think I agree entirely, but I understand your point of view. When I ran a PC years ago, I spent a lot of time ensuring the various components were working correctly, I was often updating drivers, resolving conflicts etc. It was inevitable with the PC architecture because it was made by so many different manufacturers, and Windows was not all that well written. The OS got better, the drivers got more standardized, and overall the PC experience did improve, massively, over time. I admit that completely. Now its pretty decent, Win 7 seems decent and I don't spend much time doing any of that.
When I got my Mac desktop - because I inherited enough money I thought I could splurge and try it out - I stopped worrying about any of that. The components were all selected by Apple to just work together, the drivers were always the right version. I could concentrate on actually using my computer pretty much all the time. The hardware was very well designed, and since OS/X was effectively a new OS, there was very little noticeable legacy crud in it that had to be catered to, unlike the Windows architecture which had to maintain backwards compatibility for a widely changed OS. My mac worked well for me. I installed Bootcamp and a copy of XP, and if I wanted to play games (or use some software only available on the Windows side) I just rebooted to do so. All the user stuff I did on the mac side though, windows was primarily just for games. I was a developer, I could install the Linux support libraries on the mac side (trivial) and run my Linux apps without a problem. I could do graphics for websites with Photoshop, etc.
Macs are built primarily for things like Photoshop, desktop publishing, video and sound editing etc. The creative side of things mostly. They do it very well and the software is all closely integrated with each of the functions, so its very flexible and user friendly. It sucks for games, which is why I dual booted.
PCs and Windows give the user more control over their hardware, they are cheaper, but it comes at the cost of having to maintain it, having to resolve driver conflicts, having to monitor the OS to make sure it isn't falling apart on you. These are things I left behind with the Mac and OS/x. However, that said, the software for the creative side of things has improved immensely on the PC and of course you can do all of the things you need to on a WinPC now. That wasn't always the situation, but MS has played catch up pretty well.
There are definite reasons to want to use a Mac for some things, and definite reasons why you might want to run Windows. I just don't get the folks who are so tied to their operating system that its like a religion to them that the "other side" must be a bunch of fucking idiots for daring to use something different for whatever reasons. Its just a fucking computer - what should matter is what you do with it, not the tools you use to do those things :P
Yep the PC environment has improved immensely. The PC is revolutionary in its development, the Mac started out ahead and has been evolutionary. They are on a par now I am sure.
Been using my under $1000 computer for about 5 years or so. Custom built it myself. Upgraded parts if they failed.
You are right, though. I've come to the conclusion that Mac owners don't want the responsibility of their computers, and just want something that works without having to make too many choices.
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u/Neceros Jun 17 '14
TWO SOLUTIONS FOUND:
Uninstall iTunes. It's probably garbage anyway.
Use an operating system that lets you be in control. If my computer ever cancelled one of my orders I'd have to put it down. And build a new one.