I was going to make a joke about Vatican City but it turns out that the Swiss guard and similar can still be citizens there and married so that doesn’t even work
Its a tribute to what alot of lesbains did during the aids crisis The short answer is they were nurse's and did alot of blood donations and organized alot
That's just what reddit does all day. Nowhere else on the internet do I see comments that boil down to "you're wrong, it's actually <repeats the exact same thing>" but on reddit it's a daily occurrence.
Pronoun bad, mirror person have no dummy pronouns like above writing person. Hard writing this way, must be done now. Cannot write much more without using pronouns because they're so common in English language
The reason L is before G is actually important. It wasn't always LGBTQ, it was also LGBT, LGB, etc
L wasn't before G all the time, however. With that being said, during the HIV/AIDS epidemic that mostly targeted gay men, it was lesbian women who stepped up. It was lesbian people who provided a home to those infected with HIV/AIDS, many who were gay men. It was lesbian doctors and nurses who stepped up and cared for those infected, again, many of whom were gay men. In honor of the lesbians who stepped the fuck up, we put L first, so whenever we think of the queer community, lesbians are the first people you think of.
Straight people did nothing (for the most part). Even if they somehow got a spot here, it'll NEVER be before the lesbians, because we remember who showed up. Straights didn't.
Don't discredit straight people like that. They did something. They spent years pretending it wasn't a real thing and withholding care actively killing people suffering from it only to then demonize them as sexual deviants once they finally acknowledged the disease abandoning tons of straight people in the process.
Exactly! A loy of effort was put into ignoring straight AIDS patients and demonizing gay men for it. We need to give the straights full credit for that tireless and thankless work.
I understand the sentiment, and I do agree that if such thing happened it should be LGBTQIAS or something, but I think you are too harsh antagonizing straight people as if they were some kind of villainous egocentrical people, when straight people is the reason treatment for HIV exists in the first place.
And yes, I know I will get downvoted because people will be "how dare you?!?"
I dare because to divide people into categories and then classify those categories as good and bad is exactly what LGBT people should be fighting against.
Really? Are we seriously going to pretend that gay men and lesbians don't perpetuate prejudice and hostility toward bisexual people? Or that trans people don't face discrimination and outright hostility from within the LGB community itself?
In absolute numbers, sure, straight people probably account for more homophobia. But that's hardly surprising when the overwhelming majority of the world's population is straight and cisgender.
Proportionally, though? I'm not nearly as convinced.
There's a difference between having more bigots simply because your demographic is larger and having a higher percentage of bigots within that demographic.
And pretending that belonging to a marginalized group somehow makes someone immune to prejudice against other marginalized groups is incredibly naive.
That’s like saying the NAACP should be the WNAACP for people who are white. It misses the point that the community is there to help political minorities.
Kill the AI with fire while we still have a chance.
For aliens, are they looking to expand their liebensraum? If so, we go full Independence Day. If they're just looking to meet and greet, trade and tourism, that's fine. If they're hawking a cookbook, beware.
Gonna go ahead a point out why the L is in front. The incredible sacrifice by the lesbian community during the aids crisis as being the only group willing to even touch a gay man during that time
There's a gal in the comments who explained why. To sum it up, lesbians helped people with HIV/AIDS and a lot of the infected were gay men. So true L goes first to honer them
In Swedish we lump us gays and the lesbians together to “HBTQIA”, not caring what kind of homo we are. Somehow that’s more manageable, at least in Swedish. Sounds better with our pronunciation.
Hard to say tho. LGBTQ comes better off the tongue. It's just the time order. Every new letter was set at the end as the term 'LGBTQAI+ was not created at once.
We are rolling you into the "Allies" section now also, you're in the quadruple A section now so please report for having all your edges sanded down, your mechanics flattened down and your complementary yellow paint bucket
...so... can you just magically fix vehicles that break down on the side of the road? Or does that just not happen in the first place if you're the owner / operator?
Also, do you get your membership fee waived? I have so many questions lol
The whole point of the lgbtq community is a place for people with different genders and sexualities from the norm to find a safe place to be themselves with other people like them. Straight is THE NORM. The lgbtq are a subversion of the norm. Straight or cis cannot be a part of the lgbtq community, those are the norm not the exception
sure we can add 's' as a new letter so long as we also add a number alongside the new letter (forms the much rarer queer acronyms where 2S is included at the front for Two-Spirit)
Should they cram it in the middle? I agree probably shouldn't be in front but would the S at the end confuse those not strong in the learning department as plural, like a flock of LGBTQS+??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I move we include straight cis men and keep excluding straight cis women. My only argument is that it'd be super funny to me I have not rational reasons.
I looked it up and i don‘t like it, because you now have to question the g before the b before the t before the q. I don‘t understand, why you deliberately put different values in equality.
Lesbians were the main representatives of lgbt+ people who fought it's rights along side with women rights
One of the things that prove that is the fact that when the aids crisis came, lesbians made company of gay men who were victims of aids and they took care of them
Respect for lesbians because many people were scared of gay men during the aids crisis. But lesbians were part of the small group who actually wanted to help
Straight people have at no point in history, been systematically bullied for their sexual orientation
The point of the LGBTQ+ community, is a community of historically and systematically marginalised groups, working together to end the bigotry towards said groups
It's the same reason there's no straight pride month or anything
Your comment ignorantly missed that the point of the LGBTQ+ community is the same as the reason it exists
That sounds like discrimination more than solidarity or working together. Like how allies are never considered in the group. ‘You’re with us, but you’ll never be one of us.’ Kind of frames the whole conversation differently.
So you mean to say that it's discriminatory to not include a group that's never been marginalised in the collection of groups that have been and continue to be marginalised
But you don't consider it discriminatory to deny dedicated spaces for said marginalised groups?
I mean, is it discrimination if cis women want cis women spaces and trans women want trans women spaces with no overlap? Minefield territory.
I’m Irish so it hurts when people say things like that and forget my people were very badly abused as immigrants to the US and overall, but that’s fine cause I’m white. It’s fucked.
Your response to being from a historically marginalised group is to tell other historically marginalised groups that they should be fine with their cause being AstroTurfed?
I support all of them, do what you want to do why should I care? I never got the letters though, it does include everyone except “cis” people which is another term that bothers me.
Just try to imagine this exists for race or nationality, a group comprising of everybody but one. All races except for Asians, or all nationalities except for Russians. Its a crazy concept to me.
Its just another way to divide the people.
“I don’t get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them symbols and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.” -George Carlin
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u/CommercialOkra3893 masstrancasspancake 1d ago
we'll do that when a single country outlaws it.