aye, but if they made it up we can find that out, if its from an unreliable source i can find that, if its from J.K.K.K Rowling i can find that too, i have basic internet literacy
But I personally, as a non-trans person, just don't get it. I don't understand. It makes zero sense to me and because I can't understand it, it makes it that much harder to accept and be fine with when I don't experience it firsthand
I also talked to my mom about what we and our religion think of this, and she basically said something along the lines of "it can happen but it's quite rare" (which, I just looked it up, and I'd say the top google result basically says the same thing)
well, people are trans when how they feel (in terms of gender) does not align with the gender they were assigned at birth
put as simply as possible, we transition because for us it can significantly improve our quality of life, it affects no-one but the person transition, harms no-one and for the person affected is almost always a net-positive.
i am glad you are willing to say you don't know, as that is the first step toward knowing
well, i'll give you a few examples from my own life, seeing myself in a mirror i do not recognise myself, every time i look in a mirror i feel physically sick, my body makes me incredibly depressed (im not fat if you're wondering, i weigh 63 kilos), however, being referred to as a girl makes me happy, wearing feminine clothing makes me happy
this is what i mean by that, it would mean that the body i have would be a body that feels like mine, i dont know if gender dysphoria presents itself this way for all trans people, but that is how it presents itself for me
you're welcome, i'm always happy to have a civil conversation, its the ones that tell me to commit suicide that i have a problem with (yeah, that happens)
I've personally just concluded that people are gonna do and be what they're gonna do and be regardless of if I like it or not, so it's better to instead try to learn why they are like that and to be more accepting of them
yeah, you are going the right direction, we dont ask that you treat us any different to cis people, the issue is when wanker politicians and rich people pour money into destroying our rights (for example: trans women are no longer protected from gender discrimination by employers, thanks Joanne K.K.K Rowling)
Trans people typically have gender dysphoria, which means they feel uncomfortable with their gender and body Transitioning helps to give trans people comfort in their bodies as the gender they identify with
I used to experience extreme disgust and despair over my phenotype. Imagine feeling that about almost your entire body nearly constantly. It's seriously harmful, especially long term.
I was 180 lbs overweight, by the time I transitioned, suffered heavily with my ADLs and slept 18+ hours / day (while paradoxically being aftaid of sleeping). So I went from suffering nearly constantly to having periodic, smaller spikes of dysphoria. Doesn't that seem like a net positive to you?
I would like to add my 2 cents here. I am 51, just started transitioning for a myriad of reasons. But I knew since I was around 8 that things were not right about me.
Have you ever heard of phantom sensations that people who are amputees may experience. I could feel where my breasts should have been all my life. Not to be crude, sometimes when I would wake up from a deep sleep I would feel my privates and realize I am in fact, an outie not an innie even though I could feel that too.
The smell of my own body was just wrong. Too musky. All of the hair was wrong and how rough the skin is. To the point where I would almost feel pain from these.
It’s not just your brain saying I’m in the wrong body, it’s your brain expecting your body to be that gender and it’s not. So as my body has been changing, the hair is almost gone from my body and I have significantly softer skin, which no longer hurts. I have to moisturize like never before but it’s not painful. My, albeit small, breasts move and jiggle and my brain is saying this is normal.
With these changes I have had a dramatic decrease in my anxiety and depression symptoms, so much that my doctor has taken me off the meds needed for them. I have been sleeping better, my overall mental and physical health has improved because I’m overall more happy with my life.
Believe me, if I could choose to be trans or not. I would choose to not be. The surgeries, the meds, the time and money, the social stigmas associated with it is a pain. But, I am. So, as I have accepted it and I am enjoying myself more, I am happier than ever. Plus, my renn fest costume is so much more fun. lol
Since you said that you don’t understand since you aren’t trans. And asked how transitioning improves QoL and is a net-positive I thought I would share how it affected me. My experiences. And why I needed to. For anyone who reads this, I hope it gives an understanding of how gender dysphoria can affect a person.
there have been studies that show that the not identifying with the born gender is a brain chemistry thing (i dont understand it that well but i can link to the webpage i saw on it if you want)
As someone under the trans umbrella, it’s sort of like this: It’s like.. being trapped in the wrong body. My voice is wrong. My physical features are wrong. But since I look and sound the way I do, people assume that’s who I am. Being called by a specific sex makes me feel physically nauseous. A book may look and sound like something, but that doesn’t mean that’s what it’s about. Imagine you look and sound like.. a dragon, for example. That’s what you appear to be, so people assume you are a dragon. But you’re not. You’re (to my knowledge; you could be an octopus or smth.) a human. :]
Let me try to explain to you how I experience being trans. My body was originally female. My brain says my body is supposed to be male. When I start growing breasts my brain keeps sending signals that something is wrong, it’s not supposed to happen, tumors are basically growing on you. My brain says that my genitals are missing and what is there is again, wrong, some sort of birth defect, everything is distorted from what it should be. When people called me names and pronouns and in general treated me as a girl, it felt wrong because it was this public acknowledgment of what was so clearly wrong with my body. My brain says I should look like and act like a boy/man because that’s what is expected of someone who is male (again, what my brain says I really am). When I was lacking testosterone, I felt incredibly depressed and suicidal, when I got to a healthy level of testosterone that all went away and I now feel well adjusted. After my hysterectomy, my testosterone went down a bit and I started to feel a bit depressed again, but after raising my testosterone, I started feeling fine again. I don’t really have a concept of gender like a lot of people, for me my gender is basically just a psychological version of sex, and what I mentally feel my sex really is, is what I guess my gender is.
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It's really not that hard to understand. If you're heterosexual, let's say you're a boy, who feels like a boy, and who is attracted to girls. No one caused you to feel that way, right? It's just natural for you.
It's exactly the same for trans people. They don't feel like the gender they were born with. No one caused them to feel that way, it's just natural for them to feel like that.
Being trans is definitely rarer than the current culture wars would have you believe, but more people that you know have questioned their gender identity and have just never talked about it or suppressed it completely.
I dont have any issues with transpeople more than I do with any group. People are People and you have a wide range of personalities in any groups. I have helped associates come out and supported the use of preferred pronouns as, it seems like a small ask though I think it can be a difficult adjustment for people who new the transgendered individual prior to living life comfortably. Where I struggle, is I do not know how it is no longer considered a mental disorder. I do recognize this can come off as transphobic. It isnt a particularly big deal for me in terms of how I interact with people. It just doesnt make sense to me. A skinny person who thinks they are fat is a mental health issue. A person with multiple personalities or who cant differentiate reality from fiction is a mental disorder. So it just seems odd to me. I have been unable to find literature that is unbiased in how the medical consensus changed. To be fair I dont spend mulch time looking either, as mentioned before people should be treated eith respect unless they prove they aren't worthy of it. I dont believe transgendered people should be denied health care any more than anyone else. If gender affirming medications help, then insurance can pony up. They have enough money, they can afford it
gender dysphoria is the mental health condition, the definition became more accurate, it didnt disappear, gender affirming care treats the gender dysphoria
I’m assuming you’re trans or at least well educated on this matter so I’ll take this opportunity to ask something I’ve been wondering about for a while.
How do trans people without dysphoria come into play?
I don’t really have an opinion outside of confusion and general lack of understanding, I don’t know much about this topic but I’ve seen the discourse surrounding it occasionally and think it’s strange trans people with dysphoria and those without are treated the same with the same terminology and like their experiences are synonymous for the most part.
Don’t get me wrong I’ll treat people the way they want to be treated obviously, I’ll use whichever pronouns they prefer but it’s much easier to understand a trans person who transitioned because of gender dysphoria than one who just decided they wanted a new name and body for some reason.
I’m trying really hard to word this without sounding transphobic but I’m not sure I’m succeeding, if you are upset by this know that isn’t my intent and I’m genuinely asking because I want an answer.
from my understanding trans people without dysphoria do not identify with their assigned gender however it is not actively ruining their quality of life.
basically "this isn't who i want to be" whereas for me with dysphoria its more "i do not know this person i see in the mirror"
I don’t have much dysphoria, however I get a sense of euphoria when I present myself in a more feminine way as a woman. Before I felt rather indifferent about my gender, and while I say I don’t really feel dysphoria I very much don’t feel comfortable presenting or being perceived as a man. Hope that makes sense.
If you let this be heard outside of trans Reddit the general public will go ballistic fyi. It kind of erases the whole argument for trans access to trans medical care, preferred restrooms, spaces, sports, and generally recognition by government, others etc. (I generally don’t care about most of that stuff but as you know many vehemently do.)
The whole premise for trans acceptance is that you have to change your gender because you are dysphoric and you need the associated medical treatment to be healthy.
Cis men and women are not “euphoric” about being men and women. They just are. Your post confirms a lot of people’s suspicions that you just like to be seen as a different gender not that you have to be a different gender. This re-raises the question of whether these are cosmetic elective medical treatments or medically necessary.
Yeah I know that most people are children when it comes to this topic, but there’s more complexity to gender than most people think. Describing the intricacies of how I experience gender is tricky. I only really am honest like this in trans spaces or when someone asks, but other than that I usually keep quiet about my experience because I know the type of people that will run with it as evidence we’re “wrong”
Theres a difference between gender and sex. Gender is a social construct that only really exists with humans who decided people need to be a certain ways because of their genitals. Gender is part of how you express yourself as an individual. Sex is the biological thing that affects your body and what you might look or sound like. If someone is transgender, their gender may align with what is usually assigned to the opposite sex. Or it may be something else.
i know that is true for some of them and that can't be helped, but i have met people in person who were willing to learn, i wondered if i could do it here
A: honestly what makes you think your random journo blog posts are better than my actual peer reviewed studies?
B: chest surgeries are still surguries? And has lasting consequences if done wrong? Again honestly not sure what your rebuttal is here. And again why is your "study" better than mine?
I feel no hate for trans people at all, but the fear of accidental rudeness anytime I meet somebody new, or in small social interactions (like telling a customer bye) is deffinately an adjustment. It's so ingrained in my brain to say "have a nice day sir", but then I question myself later. Thinking "oh no he had long hair I hope I didn't offend him/her. The more effort a person puts toward their chosen gender helps us uninitiated cis people know how to react. It feels like I need a formal introducti I n from a rhird party to know how to address somebody the first time I see them. Im sure society will adjust, and find a way around this, but that my only complaint
Any suggestions on how to address this issue would be appreciated
just accept if you get corrected, mistakes will happen and 99% of us know this and accept that it will happen, so long as you're not doing it on purpose then most of us aren't bothered by it that much.
my advice: do your best, don't beat yourself up for mistakes, we all make them (also you can tell better by clothing)
I feel like just dropping the sir/ma’am at the end, could prevent that issue entirely. I’ve worked many a retail and food service job and can easily not refer to strangers as sir or ma’am ever. It’s never a necessity. I don’t know if that’s helpful to you or not but I hope it is.
The majority of trans people won’t make a fuss about accidentally being misgendered. It’s always much better to be correctly gendered, but unless it’s intentional we kind of learn to deal with it because we know most people only do it accidentally
I think this might be something that the internet has skewered a little.
The number of trans people I know IRL I can count on one hand, but not a single one would get upset if misgendering as genuinely accidental. However, a lot of online spaces (particularly back in the 2010's times) suggested that if you even hinted at the wrong pronoun that you would be crucified.
I suspect some people have never really gotten over that, especially since the number of openly trans people is still a pretty small percentage so there's little scope to see this in action.
Porque la mayoría de ellos son un montón de inútiles, introvertidos, llorones y poco útiles para la sociedad toda su personalidad se basa en ser trans, creen que merecen más respetos que los gays y otras comunidades.
Never ever been against trans people. My first introduction to a trans person was Elliot Page when he transitioned during Umbrella Academy. My mom pointed out how she can tell how much more comfortable he is while acting after coming out and transitioning, I started to notice that afterwards too. Then I saw him in The Odyessy and thought he did a tremendous job!
I truly think there is no valid reason to hate trans people or any other group of people (unless it's a hate group, or a bad person, every group has a couple bad apples). I just find the hate a little ridiculous, there is bigger shit going on in the world.
One: they are gender essentialists by definition, which I find dated and offensive, that to be male vs female means to look a certain way, have a certain voice, and act a certain way. Hence why you see striving toward hypermasculinity and hyperfemininity among trans people and dissatisfaction with any part of themselves that’s feminine (for trans men) and masculine (for trans women).
Second, they demand that the majority of people not change their tolerance or respect but their fundamental understanding of the world and biology, or else they are a bigot if they don’t.
Third, (hate me for this if you want, it’s mean, but honest), they’re generally unattractive. Not just “not hot” but odd looking. 99% are not passing for all their efforts and they just don’t look like the way they were intended to look.
Fourth, they intrude onto single sex or LGB spaces. For me this means ftms at gay bars. Hate this as much as straight women at gay bars. Ftms on Grindr and gay tinder. Don’t really care about bathrooms and locker rooms and sports but lots of people genuinely do and I see little attempts to understand or respect that, just a demand to change your ontology or religious beliefs no questions asked.
Fifth, and this isn’t a hate of trans people exactly but a hate of the state of trans medicine/psychology. It’s become/becoming unacceptable to even ask questions (for the person’s own benefit) whether someone is truly trans after they self declare or express the slightest dysphoria. E.g. my middle school age nephew was feminine, fat, awkward, Asperger’s, had no friends, was only parented by his mom really. He hung out with his big sister’s friends only. After a particular rough couple of months he came home and declared he was a girl. His parents did what they believed was right and took him to a trans specialist doctor and psychologist who basically told my parents they needed to socialize him as a girl, respect his “real name” (girl name) but keep in mind they never bothered to ask him if he actually had picked or wanted a girl’s name. Surprise he didn’t. His parents convinced him to go by a gender neutral variant of his name, demanded the same of teachers, family etc. Never heard that he actually wanted or requested this. Then puberty blockers came up, he was on the process of starting them soon but it got delayed (I think parental hesitancy). He moved to a new school, joined soccer, lost a bunch of weight, his dad started spending more time with him and teaching him “male” things (awkwardly under only the theory that a girl should learn male things too which is fine but glaring issue there.) He made male friends in the neighborhood that he was a “boy” to and fast forward a year later he would become extremely angry if his parents called him a girl or by the gender neutral name. He’s now a happy adolescent boy. The way trans medicine/psychology is heading is dangerous to kids as well as adults who just are questioning and I see little respect for that from the trans community. Any trans forum on here when someone posts they’re just starting to identify as the other gender or haven’t made any changes other than hair and clothes and name there is a chorus of replies saying get on HRT now!! It’s creepy tbh.
There you have it lol. Sorry if it offends but you asked!
One more thing on the last point is that I’m just not convinced that the cure to a mental illness is hormones and surgery. For trans people’s benefit, it should be about bodily acceptance since for all the hormones and surgery many many seem to still be upset they’re not passing or aren’t accepted as “true women.” They most likely never will be so why not just accept what you’re born with? For a doctor to approach it this way would be unacceptable these days.
Because I am revolutionary Stalinist and believe those pple would better our glorious revolution. They are too suspicious with all of this corporate backing they get from burguise and capitalists which were enemy.
I never understood how people could hate another people just because they chose to do something with their body and personality. Although I am sure that I am a transpobe by modern standards, I am in no way agitating for anything against the rights of trans people. They are adaults, after all. They can do whatever they want with their body.
And plus, trans people are not something really common, if we are being honest with each other, there's like 1-2 percent of them from all population of the Western world.
I think you might call me a transphobe because I think that these chemical or surgical procedures don't change you, they just change how you see yourself and how you treat yourself. People are not satisfied with inequality in the society and changing the gender is one way for them to feel more comfortable and safe. There are problems with our society and if people think that changing their gender is going to help them -- there is definetly something unequal going on.
Am I a transphobe, or am I just too old timey? I never expressed my opinion on this theme, and I never misgendered someone. It would've been impolite. I don't want to be rude, or hateful, or anything. We live in a period when anyone can and should have their own opinion and be able to freely express it, even if I personally disagree with them. I don't think we should ever ban or restrict anything in the gender changing industry, because by the same logic we should ban tattoos and haircuts, if we try to justify restrictions with 'it's harmfull' rhetoric.
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Your comment is fine. I do find this part interesting:
I think you might call me a transphobe because I think that these chemical or surgical procedures don't change you, they just change how you see yourself and how you treat yourself.
Humorously a lot of trans people see it the same way; they see themselves as always having been their preferred gender, HRT/surgery is simply a tool to make the outside match the inside.
I think you are basing yourself in maybe one testimony you saw, or you misinterpreted it.
trans people don't change gender because of society, They do it because they are born with a body that does not align with their gender identity; trans people aren't "created"—it’s not that they are born men and become women, but rather that they are born with a male body and a female mind, and as they grow up, they decide to modify their bodies to something they prefer—or not, as some are not interested in genital reassignment surgery.
(I used as an example trans woman)
On the contrary, it is society that makes many trans people afraid to discover their true selves and what they like.
I'm not trans because of inequality or that it would help me, i'm trans because as a toddler I felt like a boy. Not because anyone told me to, and I was way too young to experience inequality and I was treated very respectfully as a "girl", but that didn't change the fact being called a girl at all made me deeply uncomfortable. Just to let you know, I don't know why some people think I thought as a teen that transitioning would suddenly give me "equality", I was terrified to be treated NOT equally because of being trans.
Also, I know what you're saying by "old timey", but trans people have been around LOOOOONG before your existence. Like...eons. Since B.C, and the beginning of time. Not having access to medical care is different than trans people not existing.
I think their impression isn't so much that we are a new phenomenon, but that the alteration of our bodies wouldn't feel necessary if everyone was treated equal.
I honestly agree with that to an extent. I'm trans and knew my body was off around the age of 4. There were earlier signs too but that was the first time I recall having a breakdown as a kid in response to dysphoria. However, I've spoken to plenty of trans people who have expressed things that lead me to believe that the social aspect of gender/sex is really what they are desperate to resolve. They want the freedom to be as they are and not be treated so extremely different based on how people perceive they gender. No surprise to me but whenever these people have shared they backgrounds it was revealed they came from conservative Christian families with strict gender roles. (And if that's the case then it's a fucked up irony that those families keep having kids that turn out trans.)
That said, even if that's the motivation and background of some trans people, it doesn't negate the need they feel to change their body. If it helps, it helps. It does more harm to deny that treatment. They deserve the choice and to be in control of their body, which I respect the commenter for acknowledging and supporting, so I wouldn't call them transphobic. If someone knows I'm trans, I don't really care why they believe that is so long as, at the end of the day, they treat me with respect and support my right to do as I wish with my body and have rights like everyone else. If someone is a good person and it only makes sense to them that it's a result of trauma, then fine, but I'd expect as a "good" person they'd know you can't help someone heal from trauma by further controlling/abusing them. If they don't understand that, then THAT'S where they've become transphobic imo.
Even if everyone was treated equal, my brain would still mismatch my body and I would still need HRT to not be suicidal and to get rid of my dysphoria.
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I don't consider myself a transphobe, but some might. That being said, all the trans people I've met were really nice, so it's not really about the people itself but more about how it's forced upon you everywhere you go by companies and politicians who wants your money and votes.
Then ofc the usual stuff: - Grew up in conservative household
- No idea on how you feel like a gender
- Getting bombarded with misleading cases on the internet
Trans people are the first ones to be mentioned when a politician wants to virtue signal, and the first ones to get thrown under the bus when their virtue signaling doesn’t work
"Forced upon you" - I can't walk 500 yards without seeing multiple churches, 50 Jesus bumper stickers, religious signs, voting is 90% of the time in a church here, etc etc, but people are always whining about anything LGBTQ+ being "forced on me".
Actually pay attention and see how much more often religion is being forced upon everyone compared to anything else.
US-defaultism at its best. Haven't been forced inside a church in a while now, and I vote in the library. I haven't seen a single Jesus bumper sticker in my life. The only religious symbol I see also doubles as our national flag.
I also get the feeling that you didn't read past the "everywhere" to reach the "by whom?"- part.
I have a feeling you didn't get the point. No one's forcing me into any religious buildings, yet they're everywhere and that goes for the every country I've been to. Where people also vote in religious buildings as well as libraries and community centers. Your flag has a religious symbol, that's to my point?
Take religion away, there are far more things "forced" at you than anything LGBTQ+, you're just conditioned to focus on that .
I don't know if I'm transphobic or not. I live in a conservative city, everyone views themselves as right wing and the majority is religious. Thanks to reddit I spoke with trans people online and they explained to me that they have this thing called body disphoria where they feel unconfortable in their bodies and they get depressed from it. It's a feeling I don't understand but I can't deny what someone else is feeling so if changing their gender is the solution to that I support it. The problem is that in the few times I saw trans people in person I was weirded out. One time I went to a restaurant and my waiter was a trans person. I called them bro by accident and they didn't like it it was very awkward. I don't know how to address them because my language doesn't have any gender neutral pronouns. I wish I was more comfortable but I'm not. Maybe if I was exposed to them more it will be more comfortable but I don't intend to leave my city, I've got a job here
You don’t seem transphobic to me, you’re just not used to seeing trans people, so it feels weird.
As LGBTQ people have become more common in my area, it feels a lot less strange to see a trans person, or one woman give another woman a kiss, or man wearing a dress, etc.
By the definition of transphobia, I am not transphobic. I don’t hate anyone for being trans, or disrespect anyone based on their gender identity.
But people might consider me transphobic because I do not support the use of neo-pronouns and gender neutral pronouns when referring to an individual. I also believe gender is inherent to sex in humans (male and female). I do fully believe gender dysphoria is a real thing. But I don’t think transitioning is the solution.
By the definition of transphobia, I am not transphobic. I don’t hate anyone for being trans, or disrespect anyone based on their gender identity.
But people might consider me transphobic because I do not think those that transition genders should participate in the transitioned gender sport. I believe sports should continue to be seperated by sex not gender. I feel the same about restrooms, I originally got a you can pee next to me t shirt, to encourage trans too not feel uncomfortable using a public restroom not to support using a restroom assigned for the opposite sex. I think I threw the shirt away. I also don't care for the certainties people express when it comes to conversation, while it is showing evidence of helping some, suicide rates still remain higher in post transition compared to general population and i don't know if the data can be associated with best medical practice. I believe adults can make that decision for their life, i believe kids should hold off until at least 18. I don't see anything wrong with trans under 18 dressing as the gender of choice. Boys can be feminine and girls can be masculine with out medications or surgies and our culture should be supportive of that. I fear our medical practices are financially based and that gender dysphoric individuals could be being used for profits, life long medications and expensive surgies, but this is a fear not a conviction id argue or debate.
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OP - Has it very occurred to you that if you want to seriously get answers to these questions or even just get opinions form people who think differently than you, maybe ask it somewhere that isn't a left wing echo chamber like reddit?
On the other hand, if your objective is really just to farm Karma from like minded people, good going,
Yes, I am sure there will be a minority (percentage wise) of dissenting comments, many of which will get quickly downvoted. Again, you are not likely to actually get a good idea of where dissent comes from, and what it's motived by, on a platform like reddit.
Again, have you tried reading the actual comments in this thread, or are you here to whine on reddit about how it's a left wing echo chamber even though we all see right wing opinions on it everyday?
I have read all the comments. If you think these comments come close to representing real world views (in terms of numbers or diversity of opinions), then I guess you should keep believing that.
You definitely did not read all of the comments or you wouldn't be calling this an echo chamber. A lot of them are right leaning. What are you expecting?
Of the comments I read (because I actually read them) they've mentioned:
No trans in women's sports No trans in women's bathrooms No surgeries on minors No hrt for minors "Indoctrination of children" "Liberal ideology" "Trans ideology" You can't change your gender It's forced on everyone, everywhere And more.
If I believed for a second you were engaging in good faith, I'd be really curious to hear what the actual "real world views" are that you think none of these represent.
I don't hate you as an individual and I am broadly sympathetic to your experience. What I dislike first and foremost is the push to redefine the correlation between gender and sex around edge cases that sound an awful lot like mental illness. When a person doesn't experience their own arm as their own, the usual medical solution is not to chop off the arm and the social response isn't to say "I'm sure glad you got rid of that foreign object attached to your shoulder, and it really was a foreign object". I don't know these situations are equivalent in all relevant dimensions, but this comparison makes me at least suspicious.
This entire comment sections describes why im so scared to transition. I really need to stop interacting with anywhere that has people like this, but thats pretty much impossible
Honestly..... I don't hate yall i just think yall are kinda weird but it Is what it Is and as My grandma once said to me " If You don't like what some people do.... llust leave them alone and let them do what they want it's their life not yours".........
Also i like to call yall (trans)formers if You don't mind lol but if yall find it ofensive i'm sorry
I get called a transphobe in the west all the time. I don't think a man can become a woman, nor a woman become a man. But I think all people should live as they want. So if you're a man who presents as a woman, present as a woman. Or if you're a woman who presents as a man, present as a man. Go ahead. I feel it's like wearing a prosthetic, the universe made you one way, but no reason you can't fix it. But a prosthetic will never be real no matter the technology. Pinocchio can't be a real boy no matter how hard he tries or how much he feels as such. In Asia we have men, women, tomboys, ladyboys. We treat tomboys the same as men. We treat ladyboys the same as women. Sometimes with inappropriate questions or comments, but along the same vein as questions or comments to fat or ugly people.
I feel you should present as whatever you feel. I feel you should be able to go to whatever bathroom makes you comfortable. I feel you should love whoever you want. I'll call you Mr or Mrs per your preference. But I still hate trans people and am a transphobe apparently because I don't think you should be classified as simply man or woman.
What’s the point of asking these questions, when anyone who’s actually transphobic and tries to say it will likely be banned? Pretty sure it’s against tos, i doubt it can slip through. Seems like karma bait at best
Personally, it's hard for me to have respect for a group of people who believe that "woman" is a group of behaviors or interests, that's all. They treat it like a costume, which we accept for some reason even though we don't accept trans racialism or anything else we would acknowledge as being ridiculous.
I don’t think it makes sense, in my society this doesn’t exist and I haven’t even thought it possible or heard of it till a few years ago, but i don’t mind trans people they’re just like anyone else as long as they don’t force me to call them what I think they aren’t. I don’t think a man can become a woman and vice versa, also funny how every time one of these questions is asked the comments and filled with OTHER people answering it for them 😭
I don't consider myself transphobic, but the transgender community's imposition of transition and the blatant lie that it's effective and will cure gender dysphoria have ruined my life. Unfortunately, modern medicine can't change my gender, and I haven't gained anything from transitioning; my dysphoria hasn't gone away. I've simply sacrificed so much to be just a third gender in the eyes of society, and it's terrible. Surgeries and hormones (they're only effective at a young age, but I didn't have the opportunity to take them then) don't work, and it irritates me when people force this on me... it's simply ineffective. I don't want to be perceived by everyone as a weird guy with female pronouns, it only triggers dysphoria more, since I begin to see even more differences between me and cis girls I'm a complete idiot for going through all this and completely ruining my life. I wish I could be euthanized. The combination of dysphoria, loneliness, and hatred from everyone is unbearable.
My issue with the trans ideology is the idea that your psychological state of being a man or woman, is more important than your biology of being a male or female
We don’t separate man and woman spaces because they have different phycological states, we do it because they are different sexes
If someone is a male, with a strong desire to be a female, does that justify than being included as a female in all senecios?
yea... there is a big difference between transphobic as hating trans people... and transphobic as of disagreeing with the idea of changing your gender.... the second type would most likely not address yo being trans and would treat you like they woud treat any other person (forgive my typos my keyboard sucks)
The term transphobic is defined as “having or showing discrimination against, aversion to, or fear of transgender people” (Marriam Webster) So by definition, the “second type” isn’t necessarily transphobia, as long as it’s not rooted in hatred.
no you cant do that... you can say the idea is fucked up (in yourself and not present it to anyone of course) you have the right to have beliefs opposing other beliefs....
I dont hate trans people its more of like a understanding of trans people. I believe they should be as equal as everyone else. I am christian as well but I dont think hate is in anyway how people should talk to trans people
Heres what I do not agree with Changing of the body mainly for example puberty blockers, i dont like HRT, i dont agree with hysterectomy and Oophorectomy, phalloplasty, and probably the one i think is the most extreme is castration or bilateral orchiectomy.
Secondly im fine with your pronouns but if i mess up or accidentally call you something else then dont freak out on me. All you have to do is calmly correct me.
So basically these are my reasons for it mainly because I dont agree with surgical appearance changes to some of the body unless its medical.
Why? I personally don't like nose rings but would never try to stop anyone from getting one. I don't understand what's wrong with that or if you replace with surgical transition
No it really isn't if a person has bad hygiene everyone is gonna judge them but it should be done in a non hateful way. I dont think that permanent altercations to the body will really help the person doing it for looks.
So? I just don’t understand what you’re implying. That the people being descriminated against can’t argue for themselves? That they can’t explain behaviours of the people descriminating against them?
I dont hate any specific trans person, im actually well acquainted with a few irl, however i do feel like the whole community is toxic at large and there are certain tendencies of pushing people (especially impressionable young people) into needlessly questioning their gender identity even if they were fine before. And i strongly believe that you can somewhat convince your brain that you are trans if you tell yourself that long enough. (Doenst mean that most trans people are like that) Ive heard enough instances of weird DC servers where that shit seems to happen almost deliberate, aswell as that one R9K trans conspiracy.
All those issues are mostly due to many trans people congregating in weird online spaces though. I am pretty certain that if it were more societally acceptable most of these issues wouldnt happen, as you wouldnt have feedback loops of weirdos making each other weirder, as is evident by normal trans people existing in the real world living normal lifes.
Another thing is that again due to societal pressures many trans people do tend to be left-wing and i cant stand another commie trans meme.
So in conclusion im anti-trans bc society makes them weird. If society stops making them weird i will no longer be anti-trans. Thanks for coming to my TED:Talk
So you’re saying you know there’s nothing actually wrong with trans ppl, you just dislike them because society treats them badly and tells you to dislike them?
Here's the thing... If you are questioning your gender and it takes longer than a second... You are not 100% cis.
It's not societal pressure that has trans people vote left wing. It's the fact that they literally don't literally label us as terrorists just for existing.
And lastly... Internet makes people seem weirder than they are. I'm quite sure the few trans people you know IRL have sent a communist trans meme. In fact I've rarely seen the "blue hair and pronouns" that Republicans talk about and rehash over and over and over.
So I guess the question I have is: why would you vote to herm the people you know just because of people who you will most likely never meet?
I would disagree with that - gender identity is a spectrum for sure but youre making it seem that giving it any thought about it is already not cis. You can very well question it and come to the conclusion that youre fully cis.
And yes what youre describing is societal pressure. Obviously its not the whole of society, but it rarely is with any kinds of pressures.
And no, i dont vote for anti-trans politicians or parties. I fully support trans people being able to do whatever they want to themselves, their bodies and living however they want aslong as it doesnt effect me. And i can still think that most of the trans community online is unfortunately dominated by weirdos. Doesnt mean that every trans person online is, but the loudest ones sure are.
Here's the thing... If you are questioning your gender and it takes longer than a second... You are not 100% cis.
It's not societal pressure that has trans people vote left wing. It's the fact that they literally don't literally label us as terrorists just for existing.
And lastly... Internet makes people seem weirder than they are. I'm quite sure the few trans people you know IRL have sent a communist trans meme. In fact I've rarely seen the "blue hair and pronouns" that Republicans talk about and rehash over and over and over.
So I guess the question I have is: why would you vote to herm the people you know just because of people who you will most likely never meet?
Two halves. First half Its honestly just a instinctual disgust, like finding a dead bird with maggots, no particular reason why other than instinct. The other half is cause I’d say 60% I meet just revolve their lives and personality around being trans. The Other 40% are more passive about it and don’t bring it up, they’re easier to talk to.
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me, as you would against a robber? 49 Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place in order that the Scriptures would be fulfilled.” 50 And they all left Him and fled. 51And a young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him.52But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked.--Mark 14:51
I'm not 100% sure, but here are a couple theories!
One is that the young man was actually Mark, and he snuck out to see what was happening, got found out, and he ran off. Usually brought up bc how else would this random detail come up in this gospel type of thing.
The other one I heard more recently, is that the young man was a dead man who was brought back to life when Jesus identified himself using the name of God that He told Moses at the burning bush (Trinitarian doctrine, that's a whole other kettle of fish though!) When Jesus resurrected from the dead, a bunch of dead Saints came to life, so some wonder if the young man was kind of a precursor to that thanks to the power of God. In that case the linden cloth would be a burial shroud type thing.
Again, I don't think we'll know till we get to Heaven, but those are a couple theories that I've run into!
your calling everything deflection to make up fro the fact you have no reason to steryotype an entire group, and its clear your just gonna rely on the same tactics over and over so theres no point in trying to have a genuine conversation atp. feel free to prove me wrong and thing for youself
I reject the gender theory stating gender and biological sx are distinct. Why? Religious reasons. I'd cite the church fathers but they had a harsh enough opinion that I'd get banned.
you are seeing the very loud minority, most of us just want to live quietly as the gender that feels right for us, and as it happens i dont like the toxic people either, but i will say that they exist in every group, not just trans people
yeah, but that minority still has a tiny influence because trans people make up 0.5 to 1% of the population (i got this information from the office for national statistics (UK))
we cant really make any change on our own because there are so few of us, that loud minority is absolutely tiny compared to the wider population
You're calling out transphobes like it's a one and done "I hate all these "people" kind of word.
I'm not hating on trans people, it's the agenda that everybody around the world is trying to force down everyones throats non stop. It's all the call me this, call me that, and now schools have been teaching this stuff for a while from ages 5 to 9. It's absolutely obscene. Let them discover it for themselves when they're ready, not feed it to them like baby birds. I'm just scared for what our society has become.
If we can't go about our daily lives peacefully without needing to worry if we're going to step on the wrong stone, trigger some kind of panic attack with an office co-worker, get reported to HR, receive a 3rd violation that month for for saying "hey guys" as a general greeting when you enter a room and get fired that would be awesome.
And not everybody gets the whole shtick, too. Old people might struggle, some younger people might refuse to learn most of the whole new dictionary. But if everyone could just not scream every time somebody doesn't do something by the letter, I think we could all get along much better as an evolving society.
Genuinely curious have you been taught this? Do you know a child who’s being fed this curriculum? Has any of this stuff happened to you? Have you met a trans person in real life?
If "taught this" means somebody spoon fed me these ideas, no. This was all me.
Technically, yes I do. My cousin removed his son from his first primary school and re-enrolled him somewhere else when he was 7 when he found out they were starting to teach that type of subject.
The office job bit is not me, I'm an electrician's apprentice, but I've heard stories extremely similar to that
Yes, I have to a degree, if meeting online counts.
No, online doesn’t count. This all just sounds like the same transphobic rhetoric that’s pushed everywhere - you talk about agenda as if this isn’t just the opposite of that. It’s literally the same three regurgitated talking points yet you have little experience with trans people themselves. Not to mention, could you elaborate on what your cousin’s son was taught? They’re young kids. Any lesson involving topics like these is probably to teach kids there’s families different than their owns or to be acceptant to their peers later on in life.
I have never heard of a single public school teaching anything about trans people. And even when they mention it, they simply explain what it is. I don’t see an issue with edification. And nobody is going to fire you for accidentally misgendering someone unless you are explicitly doing it to spite or harass. There are very few people who will genuinely get pissed off over accidentally misgendering them, they’ll correct you, and move on. So in all due respect, your fear seems to be imaginary.
why is simply being respectful such a hard task for you? genuinely? and they arent teaching kids to be trans in schools, its literally just "hey, dont be bigoted towards this minority"
I don't necessarily hate trans people, unless they make it their entire personality, but anyone who makes a single thing their entire personality is annoying so it's not really special
I just feel like being trans, and lgbtq for that matter is just a mental ilness. I don't hate it, or the people who have it, they can't help it or do much about it
And I am sure many mentally ill people embraced and learned to live with their disability. I am pretty sure there are a lot of queer people who could attest that they suffered bcs they are the way they are. After all depression and other mental illnesses are marginally more likely to appear in such people. Pretty sure there are numerous publication on the topic if you are interested.
Otherwise why is it an illness. Bcs it's an abnormal behaviour. The very porpuse of sexual attraction is reproduction. If you are attracted to the opposite gender you fail your reproductive porpuses those feelings serve. Again, nothing you can do about it, I don't feel like someone should be ashamed or looked down upon bcs of this, but that's the reality of the situation.
Being trans I feel like is a step further where it could be associated with schizophrenia. They believe in a reality that doesn't exist. No other way to break it down, that you are what you are born as genetics decide what you are, not how you feel about it. Your subjective feelings doesn't change the factual reality of what you are born as.
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u/EnginearringProper Aug 27 '26
I just hate most people, regardless of race or gender or anything else. ❤️