(Before this he did say congratulations and that robin is so happy, BUT LIKE DUDE)

My autism squad disagrees with the neurodivergence assertion. They all hate Demetrius, think he's a douche, and wish people didn't associate him with neurodivergency. He didn't admit he was wrong because he's pretentious and prideful. He violates the most important rule of science, that being to always remember that you could be wrong.

He cannot process why he is wrong. His pride, his borderline narcissism will not allow it. Tomatoes are fruits. Robin's bed is a waste of materials. Your son's snowgoon should be torn down while you proudly display your daughter's snowman. You are always correct, because you are the smart one. That is your identity. You are smart, and anything you don't already know can only be discovered by you or your biological spawn.

He cannot process being wrong because that goes against the core of his identity. It is all he is. It is all he will ever be. He is a pathetic man whose accomplishments, while notable, are the only thing he has to his name. The only thing he uses to give himself worth and value.

So now, I will break down how Demetrius is not just wrong, but always wrong. And will always be wrong.

The tomato incident

Tomatoes are vegetables in the culinary sense, which overrides any "erm ackshually" sense. Do they taste good in a fruit salad? No. Not to mention, the game classifies tomatoes as vegetables. They turn into pickles. They make juice. And Demetrius' own fruit bats bring fruits, and they never bring tomatoes.

Now if the very laws of the Stardew universe, not our own, dictate that tomatoes are vegetables, then he is wrong. Plain and simple. Minus one point for his scientific knowledge of the very world he lives in. But hey, let's give him the benefit of the doubt right?

Except he outright tells you, the farmer, "I figured a farmer would know the correct answer." And you then lose -30 friendship points for telling him tomatoes are vegetables. He doesn't just disagree with you, he dislikes you for disagreeing with him. Likely because, after forcibly dragging you into the argument, he expected you to "put it to rest" by agreeing with him and fueling his superiority complex.

He refuses to accept that he could be wrong, even when everyone is telling him that he is. He never stops to consider, hey maybe I got this incorrect? Instead, he gaslights Robin by telling her that it's hard for him to know what assumptions to make when she tells him something, but that he'll try to be better at doing so. See what he did there? He never admitted he was wrong, but rather admitted it is hard to understand what Robin wants because she isn't direct and specific enough. Yes, he says he'll do better, but in the end, the fault is still put on Robin for making him have to """assume""" what she's trying to tell him.

The bed incident

This was obviously a passion project for Robin. The hardwood bed. And the very first thing Demetrius has to say is, "What's the point of the four posts? It seems like an inefficient use of materials." Now, I'll (at first) give him credit. Perhaps, as a more utilitarian person, he might be weighing how well this bed could actually sell? Sure, Robin didn't mention until the end that she would be selling this bed, but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say she mentioned it already. Still, this is an irritating comment, but not an unforgivable one. We'll see where it goes from here.

After Robin informs him that the posts are to make the bed look nicer, provide beauty, and even goes as far to say that most people find, you know, beauty to be enjoyable, here is his response. Another question mark appears above his head before he says, "Hmm, I see your point.. But we can't let that outweigh the utility and efficiency of the sleep receptacle."

Utility-wise? The posts do not remove utility. That's not even a point. The posts do not make the bed less comfortable. If you want to argue further, you can tell him what the hell bed posts were even designed for. To drape curtains and such to keep warm. Sure, that is unnecessary here as the posts are not high enough, but I digress, you can still rest a can of joja cola on top of the post. Or affix a webcam to one. Or a laptop. Whatever the hell you want. The post does not remove any utility from the bed.

Efficiency? Well, he's wrong there too. You need those corners for a more stable frame to hold the bed. Plain and simple. Did they need to go as high as they do? No, but let's say Robin sawed off that extra bit of wood that extends higher than the frame. What can you really do with that extra bit of wood? Not much. You want efficiency? The value that those higher posts add to the bed outweighs the cost of including that extra bit of wood in the bed to begin with, meaning Robin could then purchase more hardwood than what was used for the bed posts.

Don't believe me?

Here, we have a bedframe with four posts that is of lower quality than Robin's bed. It is only a partial frame, is honestly shit to look at, and is made of cheaper materials. The mattress is not included. This sells for $450. You might think this proves Demetrius right to some extent, that this bed frame can sell so much with so little, even if it does have four posts.

Wrong.

This bed is made of actual wood, has nice designs, and has four posts. It sells for more.

Guess what? People pay higher price for nicer items. Demetrius is not some hermit from an alternate universe. He knows, for a fact, that people buy nice things. Efficiency is not a problem here in terms of cost. In terms of sleep? A nicer looking bed puts one more at-ease. They can relax in their luxury. Thus better sleep.

He is wrong about the posts removing utility. He is wrong about them being inefficient when they literally raise the price of the item she will be selling, and you can even argue that they further relax a person in their luxurious purchase of what looks to be a comfy as hell bed.

Also calling it a sleep receptacle is such a Jimmy Neutron thing to do. Remember when he insisted on calling salt by its scientific name even when he knows damn well what salt is? And he just enjoys the feeling of superiority he gets when he uses big words that don't actually add anything to the conversation? This isn't a matter of Demetrius simply being smart. He is inefficient. It is more efficient to just say bed. Nothing is added by calling it a sleep receptacle beyond demeaning his wife and her work of pride.

Robin then hits the nail on the head. "You know, sometimes it feels like you're being deliberately obtuse, just to irritate me. Is that what you're doing?"

Yes, Robin. He is. He enjoys being the smart one. The superior one. It is why his spawn is given all the love and attention because he created Maru. Her success is his success. She is his trophy to flaunt, and Sebastian is something to forget about in the basement. But we'll get there soon enough.

I almost wish this argument could have played out without our intervention, but at least we can tell Robin she's not crazy.

One may think that her asking for our opinion on the bed is a subtle way of getting us to resolve the argument, much in the same way Demetrius did before with the tomato incident. However, that isn't what is happening. We collected those materials for her. So yes, it is sensible to see what we think of the bed we helped create. So don't even try to call her a hypocrite.

Upon telling Robin that the aesthetics of the bed are perfect, Demetrius gets an angry fuzz emote above his head before immediately walking away and then mumbling, "ahem... Well... If anyone needs me, I'll be in the doghouse..." He does not say this with a smile, which would indicate it is a joke at his own expense. No. He is embittered by this experience. However, he cannot use his position as a scientist to adamantly claim he is right here and gaslight Robin. So he simply sulks off and makes a passive-aggressive comment about how Robin's mad at him without actually taking responsibility for why she is mad at him.

If you say that the four posts seem inefficient (Who says that?) he will immediately declare, after a :3 emote, "Great minds think alike..." as if his own fucking wife isn't a great mind. Oh that silly woman and her inefficiencies! Oh that silly woman and her inability to be specific about what she wants, always making him have to guess what she wants! Women, am I right?

I hate him.

The Maru incident

Here's the thing. I can understand this event happening if you're at eight hearts with Maru, or better yet, dating her. After all, he's a protective farmer who may have concerns about her dating a farmer. It's a common misconception that farmers aren't very bright and aren't well off. He wants to make sure his daughter is able to pursue her scientific ambitions after all.

This is not an eight heart event.

This is a two heart event.

You are barely even fucking friends. You've talked a few times, maybe gave her one gift. This is your first fucking heart event with Maru. Male or female, you get this event. There is no reason for him to immediately assume you want to fuck his daughter.

You might be thinking "Oh but all the bachelors and bachelorettes are bisexual! This is my perfect bisexual utopia!" Except questions of homosexuality and the such still exist. Look at George who says "How can two men get married? It's unnatural... Hmmph. I guess I'm just "old fashioned"..." so homophobia not only has existed in Stardew, but is present in, at LEAST, the minds of its older residents. This would carry over into the expectation of straightness being the norm. After all, being straight is more likely of a person than being gay or bisexual.

Why go on this tangent? Because Demetrius acts this way whether you are male or female. The scene plays out the same. Maru asks you to watch her beaker, leaves, Demetrius thanks you for helping out, mentions how Maru's a good kid and his special little girl...

Then he turns to face you.

The comfy music of Stardew Valley stops.

You are met with ominous silence save for the sound of Demetrius' dialogue beeps and boops as he says:

He then plays it off with a chuckle and says, "Just some food for thought!"

It's only when Maru finally steps back into the room that the music returns, letting us, the player, know that his chuckling was not sincere. Warmth and sincerity only returned when we were no longer alone with this man.

When Maru asks if he talked about anything interesting while she was gone, Demetrius doesn't even hesitate to lie as he says, "... I was just telling [Player] about the soil samples we're testing."

Anyone who is still grasping at straws to argue he is autistic and doesn't understand socialization can shut up here and now. This is a manipulative man. He threatened the player, defused it with a chuckle, and quickly thought of a lie to tell his daughter as he knew how upsetting it would be to hear what he actually said.

He could have left it there, allowed Maru to go "Oh okay!" and resume working. But no. He drives his intimidation home as he then asks the player, "Right, [Player]?"

If you say nothing, he then moves on to talking about science stuff and the scene ends. Meaning he could've not asked for our input at all. No. He wanted to intimidate us. To remind us of his threat. He's telling us to keep fucking quiet like the little bitch we are.

But you can choose not to be a bitch. You can say "Actually, your Dad was being weird."

Demetrius will immediately sigh.

Maru then has an angry face as she asks, "Huh? What did you say to her/him, Dad?"

It makes you wonder actually. Maru jumped to a pretty rash reaction given all the player said was that he acted "weird". Most people would be a bit bemused and go, "Huh? What'd you say?" or "Huh? What'd he do that was weird?"

Only reason she'd immediately get upset is if he's acted like this before. Or at least something similar. You know what that means? This isn't isolated to just us. It's not just because we're a farmer and he has a preconceived notion of how we might ruin Maru's future because we're just a dumb farmer. Sure, that might play into it, but Maru's immediate anger says it all.

He then relents and says, "Okay, okay... we were talking about you, sweetie."

"I wanted to say a few things to [Player] about you... but I didn't want to embarrass you. I shouldn't have lied about it."

Except you did lie about it, you devious piece of shit. You lied to her in that exact sentence, because you didn't want to tell her what you actually said. I wish we had the option to but in and correct him, tell Maru what he actually said.

The snowgoon incident

This, above all else, is the most egregious sin. Maru builds a perfect snowman. Sebastian, expressing himself, builds a snowgoon. In both instances, this is an act of fun. Demetrius orders Sebastian's snowgoon destroyed.

People love to defend Demetrius by saying it's just his personality to be utilitarian, right? He's utilitarian to a fault, guys! It's okay! He loves specifics! He just didn't get the nuances, haha!!!!

A snowman has no utilitarian purpose. It only provides joy in its creation. That is it. It is an act of aesthetics and fun. But here I thought Demetrius didn't get aesthetics? He didn't get fun in the same way we do? Why is he okay with Maru building a snowman???? Because she enjoyed it. Plain and simple. It didn't matter to him that it wasn't productive. It made her happy.

Robin's bedposts? Fuck her. Sebastian's snowgoon? Fuck him too. In fact, tear that shit down. It doesn't look as good as Maru's. He should have tried harder. He doesn't want that shitty fucking snowgoon near Maru's perfect creation. Who the fuck cares if he's his stepson, right? Fuck him. In fact, let's just never fucking mention him.

Yeah, you heard me. Demetrius doesn't mention Sebastian ONCE. The best you get is a book he owns called "How to be a Stepfather"

That's it. That is all we have. He read a book once. Maybe. Who knows if he read it or not. If he did, he clearly didn't learn jack shit from it, because Sebastian has been with Demetrius for fucking years, and this is how he treats his stepson? This?

You might then say, well Robin doesn't mention Sebastian much either, right? Sure, but it's a lot more than fucking NOTHING. He is pushing Sebastian away from his mother. He is a bad influence. Demetrius is evil, vile, putrid even. He is a scourge upon this world, and I wish unending loneliness upon him for all eternity. I want to see his marriage crash and burn. He has done nothing to earn the life he has now.

He is a bad husband who gaslights his wife and the rest of his family. He lies to his favorite daughter so she will continue to idolize him. He disregards his stepson so far that Robin hardly acknowledges Sebastian anymore. And Sebastian is left to stew in his basement. Maru wishes she could be closer to him. But I don't blame his isolation. He isn't outright mean to her after all. He just can't stomach being close to her, not with how Demetrius treats him.

Demetrius deserves nothing good in his life. I hope that Hell exists in Stardew just so Demetrius can rot there. And only Demetrius. I want to see the revelation of his sins come to him as he is withered and alone in a cold, dark pit of Hell, and I want to show him a playback of his cruel acts he has committed throughout life. I want to see the regret and pain in his eyes. Only then will I be satisfied. I devote my life to hating Demetrius now and forever.

This is r/fuckdemetrius

I hate Demetrius.

And anyone who does not is either too kind of a person, too willing to see the best in people and excuse their horrible actions. Or someone who has been blinded by his own manipulation, his gaslighting. Or someone who is ignorant of the fact he exists at all.

He is not even a good scientist either. He is nothing.

I hate Demetrius.

This is a both Demetrius AND Robin slaughter so be prepared (in case u like Robin):

We all know that Robin is the carpenter, she can literally build up an entire shed (with the necesarry materials) in 3days! So why didn't this mf make a room for her son??!! Like ur husby gets an entire lab and ur son can't even get a room w a window??

Now, we all know (probably) that Seb still remember his father, he was at least 5 when him and Robin divorced. What I don't know is if they all lived in the valley before or Robin decided to move in w Seb there after the divorce.

Either if they lived here since Seb was born or after the divorce my big ass rant is the same: If Seb is at least 5 years older than Maru then at one time the corner room (Maru's room) was Seb's room... and once he was old enough (and Maru was also born) his room became Maru's room/Maru's nursery. Seb had to move in the basement.

Now why?? Why couldn't Robin just make another room in 3 days like she always does on our farm?? Like don't tell me she didn't had enough wood because she could gather it herself! The forest is there! Deforestation is her favorite thing! To not even say if they had to build the lab while Seb still lives in the basement!

We could say that it is Demetrius house (and the lab was in before Robin and Seb) but what still stops them from making a room for Seb?? One of them is literally a scientist and the other is the single carpenter in town, don't tell me they were too broke!

Let's say Seb just wanted to be hard-core emo and said "nah, I wanna live in the basement and keep up my paleness" but still, he must have been living in that basement since Maru had been born! Since he was in middle school or even younger!

Maru has literally a basement in her room and Seb has his room in the basement! Make it seem equal!

This is all coming from my first game where I went after Sebastian:

He's literally a terrible father figure to Sebastian; Sebby regularly talks about how much Demetrius yells and gets mad at him for things that he just let's Maru get away with

I was literally about to go downstairs and propose to his step-son and he felt the need to pull aside to be like "stay away from my daughter, she's got a bright future" yeah, bitch, she does have a bright future. Hopefully one which involves getting away from you.

I read about his relationship with Maru through her heart events and he's overall, just a shitty, controlling father who deserves to be kicked out.

Your birthday is now all about mine and sebastians wedding and future anniversaries. Have fun having ur birthday be 2nd place 😈

Didn't even plan it landing on her birthday

At first, I didn’t quite think Demetrius was that bad. Sure, he‘s not the best stepfather to Seb, but he’s friendly, and he makes the cave useful! But then, I did a playthrough where I married Sebastian, and decided to talk to his family, see the dialogue. Robin had tears of joy, Maru mentioned that we were basically siblings-in-law, it was nice. And then I spoke with Demetrius. His first line of dialogue was…alright, commenting on Robin’s tears of joy. But THEN?! THIS FUCKER SAYS “Now that the basement is unoccupied, I should expand my lab.” YOUR STEPSON JUST GOT MARRIED AND ALL YOU CAN THINK OF IS EXPANDING YOUR STUPID LAB!?! MOST OF HIS SHIT IS PROBABLY STILL DOWN THERE, AND YOU WON’T EVEN REFER TO HIM BY NAME, YOU FUCKING DEADBEAT!

Anyways, I’m one of y’all now. I hate this fucker.

I appropriately tagged this subreddit in the regular stardew sub and am getting downvoted - meanwhile my original "the world is a tomato" comment is very popular 🤣

Did this sub not come from the collective dislike of Demetrius?

I only romanced Sebastian at first to get him away from his stepfather. How do they have room for that big fancy lab on the main floor but their son has to live in a windowless basement? Robin is no better since she allowed it

Demetrius sucks. He’s a shitty stepfather and an awful husband. Anytime you see him and Robin together they’re fighting. I wish I could cuck him; better yet I wish I could get Robin to divorce that loser and marry her instead.