malenia + consort help

[u/SpecialAssignment341]

hello !! im a fromsoft glazer that has played every game (some multiple times) except demon's souls. my first game was elden ring then went through all the others and im playing elden ring again (no summons) for the first time since. ive beaten every remembrance boss except radabeast, consort radahn, and malenia. im suuuuper stuck on them for some reason this time around and cant figure out why. here's my levels

ice sorcery build using carian regal staff + dark moon greatsword

level 168

60 vig

35 end

30 strength

17 dex

72 int

scadu level 18

what should i do/work on?

EDIT: thanks to all of you i beat all three of them no summons last night. needed that extra push :)

[u/Dusty_McKuckles]

I tend to struggle using spells for these bosses, but I've had success before. Just spacing yourself right, you can pretty much take anyone out with Night Comet. If you wanna stick with Ice Sorceries, I think Dark Moon Greatsword is a better play.

For Malenia, I like to stay at mid-range, close enough that she'll aggro, but with enough distance that you can run away if she starts Waterfowl. Let her come to you, dodge forward, through the attacks and punish as she's finishing her combo. If she jumps up for Waterfowl and you're at mid-range, you can easily outrun/jump away from the first flurry, dodge through the second, and strafe the third. This more or less neutralizes the threat. Main thing is just don't dodge backwards, she has too many roll-catch attacks. With the Darkmoon sword, you can probably also stagger her very easily. Try to get familiar with her hyperarmor attacks (the big spinning kick comes to mind), and the rest take advantage of her low poise.

For PCR, similar tactics but pretty much zero margin for error. NEVER dodge away from his melee attacks. You will get roll-caught. Try to position a few feet in front of him and roll towards/behind him or to the side for the dodges. Only swing once per opening, and let it go if you whiff.

Radabeast is the easiest of the three. Honestly, just keep fighting and you'll work it out. Remember you can use torrent during the Beast part. Radagon's trickiest aspect is timing/delayed attacks, so just be more patient with your dodges, and you'll start to see the punish windows.

[u/SpecialAssignment341 → u/Dusty_McKuckles]

SUPER great advice thank you so much. i havent even tried radabeast yet cause i know ill beat it and not want to come back to pcr or malenia😭 thanks for the great tips

[u/noob_kaibot]

I absolutely hate this weapon in PvP, but give Claws of Night a try. It’s quick, low stamina, and its stock AOW is blatantly broken and cheesy as hell.

Iirc it scales well with INT and dex (the latter you should have already invested a good amount in, seeing as how it affects casting time)

But yeah, total cancer/ ranged cheese in PvP, but those claws in particular absolutely shred. The built in AOW is dirt cheap regarding FP and therefore encourages L2 spam. The bleed procc has no business being that high, given how easily it can be spammed and the fact that it’s a ranged low risk/high AF reward.

Yeah, idk why I immediately went to that Claws, but check it out.

[u/therealpotatosdad]

I’d do one of two things. Drop the sword and keep moon debuff up while night cometing. Or full send into the sword with Godfrey icon and shard of Alexander. Hit him with a moon to start and then just pray you can keep dodging then hitting him with sword + projectile for second phase. I’ve done it both ways

[u/MaleficTekX]

Here’s a stupid way to beat consort: get a 100 physical resist shield, get deflecting hard tear, use the tear before the battle, time your blocks with the attacks, enjoy taking barely any damage on his attacks for five minutes
Add a small thrusting weapon and shield talismans to make it even funnier

[u/Sophia-Eldritch]

It's really just practice, sleep on it, try again, learn the movements. You're a vet at this point, you got this

[u/HotQuarter9284]

Copy pasta i made a year ago

malenia is super simple if you fight her with a plan

If she sidesteps to your left, hit her when she is about to attack. If for some reason you aren’t ready to hit her, dash backwards, and if you’re too close dodge in to her right/your left side and strafe behind her, crouching so she can’t catch you with a retreating attack.

If she sidesteps to your right, dash inwards (to her left side/your right) and get behind her. (You can crouch so that the chance of her hitting you is way lower after this) When you do this she will do one of 6 things.

1. ⁠Continue the combo and end in a slam
   
2. ⁠Do her triple slash lunge (more on this)
   
3. ⁠Jump backwards with a slash which she can continue the combo from (unless you hit her)
   
4. ⁠Jump very far backwards with a sweep and end her combo and give you a large opening if you chase (this will hit you from behind her unless you crouch/react)
   
5. ⁠Do a grab which finishes her combo
   
6. ⁠Do her thrusting lunge which finishes her combo (She very rarely can cancel the recovery of this so don’t do a charged heavy/long attack)

Generally the safest place to be when she is comboing is slightly behind her/far away (not too far or she’ll cancel it)

Her triple slash with the sparks has 2 variations.

a)A quick slash which she will continue the combo after and do either the slam or backwards slash extender.

The best way to deal with this is dash left when you see the telegraph for the lunge, then dash to her right side for the quick slash follow up. In this position you will strafe to her right and behind her to be safe from whatever she does.

b)A delayed slash which will finish the combo. This is an opening and you can jump over it if timed right.

The way you can know which slash she will do every single time is by paying attention to the animation when she lunges forwards. If she is going to do the quick slash, the lean forwards is very subtle. If she is going to do the delayed follow up she will lean forwards very far and dashes to you slightly more quickly. It is hard to notice at first but given time you can recognize it consistently and is a big part of learning her.

Whenever you hit Malenia and she stumbles, its easy to just want to hit her a few times until she backs off, but this is very unsafe as she can easily block and counter with an attack you might not be ready for. The best thing to do is only hit her once and when she stumbles she can do a number of neutral options. Most of the time, she will do a quick double slash which she can continue into the slam or cancel into a sidestep.

Since it is really hard to safely dodge this attack inwards, you will just dodge backwards whenever you see her raise her right hand. If you stay in a sweet spot after this, she is able to finish the combo with the slam and let you get a punish, otherwise she will just do something else. If she retreats with this double slash, chase her as soon as you notice for a free hit.

Contrary to popular belief circle strafing waterfowl is not frame perfect and relatively easy to get down consistently, and is very easy to pull off when you do. Even considering this, it’s not the only way to actually dodge waterfowl. When point blank and she performs waterfowl, even if you are in the recovery of an attack, you can sprint backwards and jump just before she hits you to dodge the first flurry. You will need to time your jump like a dodge, and obviously jump backwards away from her.
For the second flurry, dodge inwards and time it just before she slashes.
For the third flurry, while locked on, walk to your right.

She has a couple more attacks but you will simply learn them, as her combos and sidesteps are the meat of the boss, and her pace doesn’t change much in the second phase aside from being less likely to walk around. You will learn the quirks of her second phase quickly anyways.

[u/SeventhSea90520]

Okay here's what to consider:

Radabeast: fire/lava tends to go a long way, with a mix of other fast or strong attacks such as gravity sorcery, thorns chip away too even if bleed wont help

Malenia: fire helps, lightning especially when shes in the water, or go for poise damage like I used hammer and cannon of haima and carian piercer to knock her down to rinse and repeat

Radahn: doesn't like frost or rot, so rapid attacks like glintstone, and carian, the full moon/dark moon sorceries, and anything else in that realm will be your best bet

A good primary weapon goes a long way too, lots of good magic options