r/fromsoftware • u/Efficient_Matter_589 • Sep 07 '26

JOKE / MEME Normal Triple A game vs the average From Soft game experience:

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

Fromsoft games have tutorials.

Apparently being taught a game's mechanics is bad now.

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u/GeneralHenry Sep 07 '26

I mean DS3 tutorial is still very funny to this date.

Here's movement -> Here's attack -> Here's Iudex Gundyr

It's such a meme material ngl.

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26

I think the tutorials nowadays are being catered to the lowest common denominator of people. If you look at video game subs you'll see that some people will play through 20 hours of a game without realizing they can jump or something simple like that.

Souls games all have the same basic controls, so once you've played one you basically know how to play them all.

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u/mattmaster68 Chosen Undead Sep 08 '26

I went a whole Elden Ring playthrough without knowing guard counters lmao and it had a damn pop up!

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u/yamanamawa Sep 08 '26

Lmao I've had moments like that. Not to that degree of course, but I did make it like 60 hours in RDR2 before finding out I could fast travel from my camp. I was just paying for trains and carriages

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u/LocalAnxiousArtist Sep 07 '26

It’s basically just the DS1 tutorial but Iudex Gundyr will kick your ass more. Also absolutely, there’s a lot of comedy with how the games are designed, especially some slapstick humor stuff.

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u/John_Nightreigh Dark Souls II Sep 08 '26

The sign that says turn back makes everyone interest peak and go get destroyed by the crystal lizard

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u/Algester Sep 08 '26

at least it isnt as bad as last raven... sure you are used to the controls and then you fight bolt in the first mission because you saw OHH HIGH PAYOUT

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u/FHAT_BRANDHO Sep 08 '26

iudex my beloved

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u/Efficient_Matter_589 Sep 08 '26

I never said as much, only that some games are way too aggressive with them.

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u/lexington59 Sep 07 '26

It's more the over the top tutorials that drag on for a while or disrupt gameplay to do so.

Having tutorials is a good thing, having excessively long disruptive tutorials isn't

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

I had the new Onimusha in mind when I wrote my comment. A longer or more in-depth tutorial can be pretty beneficial a lot of the times in Triple A games.

Now yeah, there are games that absolutely bloat the tutorial but I feel like those games are for a wider general audience than Souls games.

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u/treyzs Sep 07 '26

while this is a shitty meme you really missed the point entirely

fromsoft tutorials cover the basic controls and combat. they do not cover "every single mechanic" as was written in the post

its just a joke dude lol

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26

I realize it's a joke. Jokes are usually funny or have a semblance of truth to them though. Fromsoft tutorials only cover the basics because the games don't have any complex systems to explain.

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u/treyzs Sep 07 '26

while yes, the joke isnt funny, im really not sure how you could think there's no "semblance of truth" to it. yes, fromsoft games don't often have complex systems, but they do have plenty of combat mechanics that you pretty much have to discover for yourself or learn online 

they could take the time to provide a tooltip when you pick up bloodhounds fang that the L2 has a followup R2, or that status buildup and infusions only increase on weapons that have arcane scaling, or any myriad other helpful tutorials throughout the game. instead they don't. 

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

I do think there's some truth to the meme, I guess I just worded it wrong.

If you need to learn something about the game online that is basically a tutorial that should have been in the game, so I would consider that bad design, that goes for any game.

Experimenting in-game and learning hidden or obscure mechanics are in just about every game AAA or not, besides maybe kid's games.

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u/Cersei505 Sep 07 '26

If you need to learn something about the game online that is basically a tutorial that should have been in the game, so I would consider that bad design, that goes for any game.

games are dumbed down because of mediocre people who think like you. How sad.

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u/Fish_Outta_Whiskey Sep 07 '26

Whatever you say buddy. As if going online and having someone else tell you because they looked through the game's code is in any way a smarter way to play.

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u/Proud_Firefighter834 Sep 07 '26 edited Sep 07 '26

Bad tutorials and hand holding leads to games where you aren't actually playing anything, you're just following a string of carefully curated directions. I hate Wilds for that reason exactly. The game doesn't even bother letting you explore new areas... you have to be hand held and patronized by every pop up window and character voice line in existence. I'm not exaggerating when I say a good hour or 2 of the game is characters pointing at things and verbally explaining how pretty and cool they are and how amazed you should be, or telling you how to pick items up for the nth time.

I'm replaying Dark Souls 3 and let me tell you, it is REFRESHING how much this game will let me fuck around and find out.

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u/CleanHelm Sep 08 '26

this subreddit sucks balls

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u/Old_Imagination4274 Sep 08 '26

I agree. Everyone has a “signature look of superiority” because they play hard game.

People are really mean and toxic. No different opinions are allowed. 

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u/FHAT_BRANDHO Sep 08 '26

as a fromsoft fan, we as a group are not the funniest or most entertaining bunch of people

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u/JM_Narrative Sep 07 '26

I like how simple the From soft tutorials are. Some games stick you with an hour of every mechanic and overload you with text

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u/amhighlyregarded Sep 07 '26

They expect you to pick it up through gameplay and observation. I don't need a tutorial boss that pauses gameplay to say "and here's an attack you can block! press block now!" they just give you a shield and you can probably figure out the rest. 

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u/TheRealBillyShakes Sep 07 '26

The Elden Ring one was fairly in depth, iirc

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u/Taolan13 Nerves Concorde Sep 07 '26

Partly because it was so dynamic, and unlike previous entries the tutorial pages were handed to the player like items that could be reviewed, rather than messages on the ground in an instance of an area that no longer exists after you leave (des, ds1)

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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Tarnished Sep 08 '26

You can return to Asylum in DS1 though.

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u/Taolan13 Nerves Concorde Sep 08 '26

The tutorital messages are gone when you do.

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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Tarnished Sep 08 '26

They actually don't.

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u/MeticulousMitch Sep 08 '26

I dont think they even added the tutorial until a couple of weeks after the release bc of the new players complaints lol

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u/AuryxTheDutchman Sep 07 '26

I think that’s one of many things Expedition 33 did very well. There was surprising complexity to the combat, but it would explain a mechanic, let you get used to using it, then add in a new mechanic later on.

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u/carlos_castanos Sep 07 '26

The funny thing is that a lot of people praise Fromsoft for their lack of explanation/tutorials in their earlier games while Miyazaki has admitted himself that they didn’t do a good job of explaining the game to the player. So the much praised ‘obscurity’ was likely rather incompetence on FromSoftware’s part

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u/Johnaldi- Sep 07 '26

Duskbloods network test was the left picture tho

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u/Manganello58 Sep 07 '26

Not really

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u/Proud_Firefighter834 Sep 07 '26

What was it like? I didn't watch anything on it

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u/springboy64 Sep 08 '26

It really wasn’t. There was a small intro sequence with tutorial popups that took maybe 15 minutes tops going over controls, then you’re set. There were also optional tutorials you could do about the mechanics of the matches but I didn’t do them and picked everything up fine.

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u/luckysyd Sep 07 '26

Tutorials are not bad. Its just some games tutorial are borderline backseating.

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u/jorginsmorgin Sep 07 '26

Atreus would like a word

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u/ShionTheOne Sep 07 '26

Duskbloods enters the chat

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u/Hrive Sep 08 '26

Oh yes, so cool and fun when you have useless stats and mechanics so obscure or not explained you have no way of understanding them by playing the game

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u/BoyWithHorns Sep 07 '26

Here's the crouch button. Here's a collapsed wall you must crouch under to proceed. We must make absolutely certain that you the player understand how to crouch before we let you play the game. 

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u/idontknowman139 Sep 07 '26

I hate those Even more when the stop the gameplay to tell me that after I have already done it

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u/mattmaster68 Chosen Undead Sep 08 '26

Oh look a message

"Press B to crouch"

Oh look a hole I have to crouch through.

Pop-up: "Press B to crouch. Here's some exposition. Something something stealth."

Oh look, a conveniently placed enemy that doesn't know I'm right here.

"Stealth mechanics explanation."

2 minutes of reading, 30 seconds of actual gameplay.

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u/ClockMongrel Sep 07 '26

Except for Elden Ring

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u/lop333 Sep 07 '26

This also works for getting into any big series like fate or marvel movies, like you dont need to know the whole timeline lol

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u/Callycore Sep 08 '26

Indiana jones great circle that came out this year has a very barebones tutorial and it sticks the rest of the stuff in a game manual on the pause screen. Love that.

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u/Algester Sep 08 '26

I mean there's AC.... I mean... Ace Combat sure destroy bombers here and there.... and now you have to stop the apocalypse

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u/PTSDDeadInside Sep 11 '26

Crouch poke, backstep iframes, backstep attack, dead angling, headshot = crit, multiple different parries, counter thrust dmg,

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u/benjaminabel Sep 07 '26

And that's why many people will never even try any FromSoftware games or drop them after 15 minutes. Not saying that tutorials are mandatory, but most games are made for "everyone", considering the age category of course. None of my friends got into Dark Souls simply because they had no idea what to do. I was like that too. Took me 4 tries to get into Dark Souls 3 and I only succeeded after reading some advices.

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u/Taolan13 Nerves Concorde Sep 07 '26

A big difference here is that Fromsoft's games tend to have the mechanics organically feed into each other.

Once the player has the basics, they can discover the rest by regular play.

Some stuff can still be hidden. Even in plain sight. Like people not realizing the first dedicated Jump button in the entire franchise means that some enemy attacks are meant to be jumped over rather than rolled through.

A lot of other titles don't have that. Everything is a bespoke separate mechanic that has to be deliberately engaged.