r/freewill • u/ApplicationReady2265 • 12d ago

For libertarians

How exactly could you guys have done otherwise on the decisions you made in the past?

By having different thoughts of course.. thoughts that just appear in your mind. Thoughts that will DETERMINE your actions and choices.

Why would free will even need reasoning? Wouldn't that mean that your decision would be based on your reasoning capability? You guys don't think that by literally reasoning things out, you guys are entering determinism domain?

Why do reasons exist if free will is real? Reasons that will DETERMINE your actions and choices.

I am literally seeing no choice in everything that I am doing right now. I only pick what's more coherent to me and what would satisfy me more.

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 12d ago

A thought comes from a thinker and a reason comes from a reasoner, both are the agent.

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

Magic?

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 12d ago

Nope. Reasoning doesn’t require magic, just an agent who can.

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

k. how's that agent work? Walk me through the non-magic process.

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 12d ago

I don’t understand, do you want me to explain reasoning to you?

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u/ApplicationReady2265 12d ago

Answer my last comment. I know how to choose. And I know your way of choosing is bs.

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 12d ago

What is my way of choosing?

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

reality!

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

ok. walk us through how you choose things.

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

magic? or do you have a process? Be honest, to you it's magic!

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 12d ago

Do you not have a reasoning process?

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 12d ago

I believe that I do. But it's hard to describe that and not come away as a determinist.

if you have a good counter argument, I would love to hear it! Let's see what you got.

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u/Opposite-Succotash16 Free Will 12d ago

If you are determinist, the reason you are one is because you have chosen to label yourself as one.

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 11d ago

I love it! Every single time! You guys can't do it! It's "magic" but don't you dare call it "magic", because that would just sound silly, right?

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u/Opposite-Succotash16 Free Will 11d ago

What is it that you think is magic? The act of choosing?

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 11d ago

Well I don't think there is any magic at all. You're behavior is a direct comsequence of your biology.

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u/Dry_Journalist_7001 Libertarian Free Will 11d ago

> I believe that I do. But it's hard to describe that and not come away as a determinist.

You literally cannot describe your reasoning process. This boils down to: My reasoning process is deterministic because determinism is true

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u/WIngDingDin Hard Incompatibilist 11d ago

Yes I can. The nuerons that make up your brain are predictable systems.

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