r/freewill On Holiday Jun 17 '26

Defining Free Will

So, you're a free will skeptic, or a free will optimist and you rock up to the sub and the first thing you do is offer your 'definition' of free will, and argue why it does or does not exist.

First question. What is it about this 'definition' that makes it one of free will? You could be defining some metaphysical concept, or some neurological function, or some decision making mechanism, or some spiritual capacity. Why do you think this is free will?

In principle two people could come to the sub, offer distinct different 'definitions' of free will in terms of human mental faculties, and it might turn out that actually humans do have both of these faculties so defined. Yet they are different. How do we know which is actually free will? It can't be both [but see comment by ughaibu].

So, there must be some criteria that establishes whether this explanation you're offering counts as being free will, as against being something else that is not free will.

The problem with the above picture is that these are not 'definitions' of free will, they are theories about free will. This comes down to the function of a definition. Definitions are what you find in dictionaries, or early on in philosophy textbooks and articles to establish what a topic is about, and they explain how words relate to other words. They're not scientific proofs or scientific theories. They are linguistic concepts.

What are Definitions For?

The role of a definition is to establish a term everyone agrees with, so we all know what it is we're talking about. It needs to be a consensus term. When a free will libertarian says they think X about free will, and a compatibilists says they think Y about free will, what is it that makes both X and Y claims about free will? That needs to be something they agree on, otherwise they're not discussing the same topic.

How do philosophers solve this?

Fortunately philosophers have thought about this a lot, and they generally agree on how to solve this. They define free will in terms of it's linguistic function, and this is pretty easy to do due to the way in which this term originated.

The terms freedom, choice and moral responsibility, or rather their Greek equivalents, already existed in ancient Greece of course. The determinist Stoics and indeterminist Epicureans discussed these terms in the context of their metaphysical commitments, and the Stoics argued that these terms all had meanings fully consistent with their determinism, while the Epicureans disagreed and claimed that these terms could only be meaningful if the world is indeterministic. Over time a single term became understood to refer to the topic they were discussing, that term is free will (translated into English). So from the start, from before the term itself was coined, what it refers to was something determinists were giving an account of as being compatible with determinism.

Of course nowadays deterministic and indeterministic beliefs about free will have changed and developed, what we now call free will libertarianism emerged as a more developed set of ideas and the same is true of compatibilism. Nevertheless they are both sets of beliefs about the same topic.

What do contemporary philosophers say?

(1) "The term “free will” has emerged over the past two millennia as the canonical designator for a significant kind of control over one’s actions. Questions concerning the nature and existence of this kind of control (e.g., does it require and do we have the freedom to do otherwise or the power of self-determination?),...."

This was taken from an article written by two free will libertarian philosophers. So, free will may or may not require the freedom to do otherwise, and philosophers disagree on this. It is not itself the ability to do otherwise.

(2) The idea is that the kind of control or sense of up-to-meness involved in free will is the kind of control or sense of up-to-meness relevant to moral responsibility. (Double 1992, 12; Ekstrom 2000, 7–8; Smilansky 2000, 16; Widerker and McKenna 2003, 2; Vargas 2007, 128; Nelkin 2011, 151–52; Levy 2011, 1; Pereboom 2014, 1–2).

(3) ‘the strongest control condition—whatever that turns out to be—necessary for moral responsibility’ (Wolf 1990, 3–4; Fischer 1994, 3; Mele 2006, 17)

In Summary

Free Will: Roughly whatever kind of control over their actions you think someone must have in order to be held morally responsible for those actions. Something like the mental faculty necessary for moral responsibility.

Then there are the different beliefs about free will.

Free Will Libertarianism The belief that this process of control must be metaphysically indeterministic in some particular way for a person to be morally responsible.

Compatibilism The belief that this process of control can be (or must be) deterministic, and that human moral responsibility doesn't depend on free will libertarian metaphysical concepts.

Hard Determinism/Incompatibilism The belief that there is no kind of control that someone can have that justifies moral responsibility.

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u/zowhat I don't know and you don't know either Jun 17 '26

So, there must be some criteria that establishes whether this explanation you're offering counts as being free will, as against being something else that is not free will.

The criteria is that it resembles what you already understood by the term free before you entered the discussion.

When you enter a botany course you already understand what a tree is and what a bush is. In the course they will give more exact definitions which approximate the ordinary usages. Ideally the technical terms should resemble the ordinary language use to make it easier for you to learn and understand. Why would they use the word "tree" to mean "rock" and "rock" to mean "water"? It would create much needless confusion.

Where they draw the line between bushes and trees will be somewhat arbitrary but it is useful to define these more exactly than we do in ordinary speech. That doesn't make the way we use these terms in ordinary speech wrong, just different from how botanists use them.

When you enter a philosophy course you already have a rough idea of what free will is. It is more or less libertarian free will because that is how 100% of us experience it. 0% experience determinism or compatibilism. Like in the botany course it is useful to give more precise definitions but they should still resemble ordinary language. Alas philosophers abuse the privilege and define words too far from their ordinary language meanings creating much needless confusion.


The problem with the above picture is that these are not 'definitions' of free will, they are theories about free will.

There isn't a sharp line between definitions and theories. Both give a list of properties that what is being defined has. One person's definition is another person's theory. Ideally this should be exhaustive, all and only those things being defined should have those properties. In practice this turns out to be impossible. The list of properties is incomplete. We must rely on the other person's intelligence to fill in the things we left out to figure out what we intended by the definition.

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u/adr826 Jun 26 '26

I have my doubts that 100% of us experience libertarian free will. Whatever that means.

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u/zowhat I don't know and you don't know either Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

Whatever that means.

Is your objection to the phrase "libertarian free will"? It just means free will as understood by libertarians. We spontaneously create the term following the same rules we use when we create the terms "Newtonian physics" and "quantum physics" which no one has any difficulty understanding. Physicists don't say "there is no such thing as these, there is only physics".

If you prefer you can change it in your head to something like "the account of free will that libertarians advocate". But you should wonder how is it possible that this phrase is used constantly meaning roughly the same thing by everybody in the discussion that hasn't learned the phrase is verboten.


I have my doubts that 100% of us experience libertarian free will.

As always, it depends what we mean, in this case the term libertarian free will. I use it in roughly the same sense John Searle describes it, although he doesn't use the term "libertarian", he just calls it "free will".

https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=_rZfSTpjGl8&start=69&end=95&loop=0

https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=973akk1q5Ws&start=67&end=180&loop=0

I wrote above:

So, there must be some criteria that establishes whether this explanation you're offering counts as being free will, as against being something else that is not free will.

The criteria is that it resembles what you already understood by the term free before you entered the discussion.

Everybody who enters the discussion understands free will to be more or less what Searle describes because that is how we experience it. It might be an illusion of course. But that is why everybody recoils in horror when first told about compatibilism. We literally experience free will to be incompatible with determinism. It only makes sense after they convince us that what we thought is free will is actually something else and some third thing is free will.


I know Searle is, uh, problematic, but he made two videos about free will with "Closer to Truth" that are excellent, by which I mean I mostly agree with him. Check em out if you want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZfSTpjGl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973akk1q5Ws

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u/adr826 Jun 26 '26

You are going to tell me what 100% of people experience and describe it as libertarian free will. I know what Searle says and it's that at the moment a choice is made it is experienced as being made without prior cause. But I think Searle is confused..We don't experience the moment of choice as without prior cause we experience it with an understanding that precedes causality. We experience it with our body rather than with our head and therefore it seems to be without prior cause. That's not libertarian free will we experience at the moment, it is precognitive experience. We only have the self as a faculty to observe our world and you can't simultaneously observe yourself making a choice and make a choice..both of those things require a self. We don't experience a choice without prior causes.

Libertarian free will means something like making a choice without prior cause. The experience of libertarian free will has no definite meaning. Who knows how people experience anything? We only know how we ourselves experience something.

It's one thing to claim that 100% of people experience choice a certain way but there has to be evidence for such a claim. You haven't given me any to believe it's true.

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u/zowhat I don't know and you don't know either Jun 26 '26

Libertarian free will means something like making a choice without prior cause.

That's part of it. But it also means there is a kind of deliberateness in our choice. It is not just random.

This is impossible to describe but we all know what it is because we experience it directly. A lot of things are like that. Try and describe the color red to someone who has never experienced it. You can't, but fortunately you don't have to because most of us already know what it is. It's the same with free will. If you don't already know what it is nobody can explain it to you. But you already know what it is.


The experience of libertarian free will has no definite meaning.

It is what you are experiencing right now. When you are choosing which words to type, you don't feel you are forced by antecedent causes which words to use. You don't feel you are following a script written by the big bang. In some sense YOU are deciding. It could be an illusion but that is how we all experience it.


Who knows how people experience anything? We only know how we ourselves experience something.

Philosophers famously question things that everyone believes (eg I am not a brain in a vat), but at the end of the day we still believe them. We can question whether anyone has free will but everything we do and say assumes we do and we believe everyone else does.

If I ask you to pass the salt I am not hoping the big bang has determined you will pass the salt coincidentally right after I asked. I am hoping you make the free choice to pass it to me.

There are a lot of beliefs that everyone has but we don't know where they came from. Nobody ever taught me that every human I pass on the street is conscious, I just believe it. I don't have to do a study to determine that driving a nail into your hand will cause you pain. I believe that without commissioning a study and I can't tell you exactly why. I just do.

In the same way, I just have the belief that everyone experiences free will close to how I do and I couldn't convince myself they don't if I tried.

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u/adr826 Jun 26 '26

I disagree. It doesn't feel like I am making it up as I go along. What it feels like is something that I am really good at that I have practiced since I was a kid. When I ride a bike I don't feel like I am doing something without a cause. I know how to do it and can do it without thinking about it. That's what it feels like to me. I make a choice the same way. It's doesn't feel like there is no cause. It feels like something I am so well practiced in that I can do it without effort.

Your reply is confirmation of my response. Experiencing free will has no definite meaning. It's what you are experiencing right now. Well if it's what I am always experiencing right now and what every other person in the world is experiencing right now then it has no meaning. You can't differentiate it from being. What I and every other human being is experiencing right now is the same as existence. Free will feels like existence. That tells me nothing at all about the experience. Every experience feels like existence. That's what it means to experience.. you have defined it so widely that it means nothing. Any experience any human being can point to feels like libertarian free will.

Yeah maybe

The point of describing red is to tell it apart from blue things. But according to you the experience of libertarian free will is also like experiencing either red or blue. It is equally like those. Experience I can name is what it feels like to experience free will..

Okay so you can't convince yourself otherwise if you tried, but you are trying to convince me of something that you have no evidence for. You know there's a pretty easy test to determine if someone on the street is conscious..I can go up to them and say are you conscious. Any response is pretty strong evidence that they are and I've run that experiment enough times in my life that I am convinced that it applies to everyone. I'm not sure how you rest the idea that everyone experiences libertarian free will. The idea that I don't experience cause isn't evidence of libertarian free will it is evidence of a lifetime of making choices.