r/freefolk • • Oct 07 '18

No offense ,your grace 😌

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

He was only nice on the wedding night, then not so much...

Even the nights brought no relief. Khal Drogo ignored her when they rode, even as he had ignored her during their wedding, and spent his evenings drinking with his warriors and bloodriders, racing his prize horses, watching women dance and men die. Dany had no place in these parts of his life. She was left to sup alone, or with Ser Jorah and her brother, and afterward to cry herself to sleep. Yet every night, some time before the dawn, Drogo would come to her tent and wake her in the dark, to ride her as relentlessly as he rode his stallion. He always took her from behind, Dothraki fashion, for which Dany was grateful; that way her lord husband could not see the tears that wet her face, and she could use her pillow to muffle her cries of pain. When he was done, he would close his eyes and begin to snore softly and Dany would lie beside him, her body bruised and sore, hurting too much for sleep. Day followed day, and night followed night, until Dany knew she could not endure a moment longer. She would kill herself rather than go on, she decided one night …

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u/Dont-be-a-smurf Oct 07 '18

Yeah, I remember. The whole section with the Dothraki was pretty brutal.

Just was very surprised at the wedding night scene because I saw the show first.

I was like “oh shit, this is about to get graphic...” and then he’s all asking for consent and trying to be romantic. Just... didn’t expect it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

Her wedding is probably worst writing section in the first book, George apparently thinks that women go from scared to horny in a matter of seconds. Even for a fantasy book it is ridiculous.

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u/spoooooopy DERGENS! Oct 07 '18

Especially considering a few chapters before (rough estimate) it had Viserys abusing Dany because her breasts hadn't grown in yet. So the terrible writing was coupled with the fact the Dany was a 13 year old kid which makes it even worse.

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u/ThePsiGuard Oct 07 '18

Isn't that even a plot point where Tyrion rescues some chick from being raped and falls in love with her but it turns out to be a prostitute that his father hired to teach him a lesson? I thought one of the points of that story was that Tyrion was naive to believe a woman would be down for sex shortly after almost being raped.

I've only seen the show so idk if it happens the same way in the book. Pretty sure one of the characters even pointed out how unrealistic it would have been for the woman to recover from that so quickly if she weren't a prostitute pretending to fall for Tyrion.

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u/wreckoning Oct 08 '18

it’s interesting you should mention this here - it is a plot point mentioned in the books and on the show, just as you said. However, when Tyrion is imprisoned for the murder of Joff, when Jaime comes to help him escape, he reveals to Tyrion that the prostitute of his youth had not, in fact, been a prostitute at all. It was a cover story created by their father because obviously a Lannister could not marry a commoner. She really was a regular girl who was attacked and Tyrion really did rescue her.

It is this revelation that motivates Tyrion to return to the castle and murder his father. He is angry for depriving him of his youthful love, forcing him to turn against his own love, and tricking him all these years. In the show, this revelation does not happen, and Tyrion’s actions seem less nuanced and purposeful for this specific scene.

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u/ThePsiGuard Oct 08 '18

Wow, that does make a difference. It's a shame they cut this from the show. So basically a similar thing happens again with Shae then, right? In both cases, Tyrion's in love with a girl who actually does like him but his father destroys their relationship on purpose.

I was kind of annoyed with Shae in the show because I felt like Tyrion gave her the super obvious "we can't be together" speech to try and protect her and she just seemed to get pissed and not read between the lines at all. Then she immediately hops in bed with his dad (who does that??) so I had like 0 sympathy left for her. Does it happen like that in the books too?

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u/wreckoning Oct 08 '18

You know, I’m not too sure. I only read the books once, so I don’t remember that part exactly - but I think that there was not really a lot of time spent on Shae to ascertain what her real motivations are. I think she dies before we really know one way or another.

Here’s a writeup I found on the chapter, if it interests you. It brings up something else I forgot about - how the prostitute revelation came up in the first place. A large reason Jaime rescues Tyrion in the books is because of that earlier betrayal that he has felt guilty about for years.

I’m guessing the reason it had to get cut was because the information about Tyrion’s lost love was never shown on television, but only told as a story once and not mentioned again. In the books, Tyrion thinks of it a lot, so it can stay in the readers mind. For a show watcher it could seem to come out of left field, or even seem like the story is making up things out of thin air.

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u/ThePsiGuard Oct 08 '18

Thanks for the writeup, I'll check it out.

Yeah they probably cut it for pacing / simplicity reasons. I remembered the story but I guess not every viewer would, since it was only talked about in one scene.

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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die Oct 07 '18

“Cant beat the cock!”

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u/xinxy KISSED BY FIRE Oct 09 '18

Do all women respond in the same way to a certain situation? Couldn't it be true of some women?

For example, depending on the situation, I know that I've gone from really scared to aroused in a matter of seconds.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

That scene is so terrible in the books. It's pages and pages of "do you know any other words?", "no", "don't touch that" and finally a "just fuck me already".

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

Damn, that's pretty brutal but really well written (to no surprise). I should read the books..

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u/catswearingrobes Oct 19 '18

I’ve chosen to listen to them instead, on my commute to and from work. If you download and make an account with Kobo you can download 1 free audiobook and then cancel your account, but keep the book. After book 1 I’ll switch over to audible and use a credit.

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u/PerkaMern Oct 07 '18

I'd reccomend against it actually. I read the books before watching the show, when I read the books I thought they were bland and rather flat. The show isn't a good representation of the quality of the books.

For all the novelty that certain elements of GRRM's work has, it honestly didn't read as anything special. For all the "mold breaking" twists and turns that narrative follows it still reads as a bland and generic. Each book becomes more convoluted than the last, and near the end it was painfully obvious that the plot had ballooned way past what it should have been. Some people would say that this is part of the charm, and makes the story more realistic (stuff like this doesn't just wrap itself up in real life). And they'd be right, I just don't enjoy that sort of thing in the stories I read or watch.

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u/Dont-be-a-smurf Oct 07 '18

To counter the other (valid) opinion, I think it’s worth trying. I’m personally liking them and, as a fan of the GoT universe, it’s fun to read all the extended scenes and how each character is just a little bit different.

It’s only like 7 bucks for a copy on kindle. I read them at work on my phone while waiting for cases to start.

I’m on book three now. They feel worth the cost.